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KLM New 777.......  
User currently offlineEmile From Netherlands, joined Nov 2000, 210 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

it,s confirmed klm preference goes to the triple 7 over airbus 340.
when and if that, going to happen still has to be seen.
other rumour is that they might start buenos-aires again.
maybe becauce our new princes Maxima



emile

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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

Is that finally the long awaited and confirmed order, or is this the next unconfirmed but "sure as hell" rumour? We have seen many, many, many rumours regarding the KLM order.....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Gerardo



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Emile, can you please give your sources as neither boeing nor KLM confirmed anything and untill they haven't, it's just a speculation. Please, next time give your source so it can be verified or wait until KLM announce the order (due in June).

Gerardo, you say it right, an unconfirmed "sure as hell" rumour.

Regards


User currently offlineEmile From Netherlands, joined Nov 2000, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

www.crewstart.com and then go to chat and bulletin board.

User currently offlineGOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Well, until I've seen the order confimed at either Boeings or KLMs website I would say that it's still a rumor.

GOT



Just like birdwatching - without having to be so damned quiet!
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

This is still a rumor, there has been an intense competition between Boeing and Airbus for this order, and nothing is yet definite. When the order is finally make, it will be a large one, since not only will the MD11's be replaced, but also the 747 Classics and maybe also the 763s which will start coming off-lease in about 5 years time. (KLM has said that it is not completely satisfied with the 763 - it may have something to do with its cargo capacity, not sure.) Now the 772/773 is in the lead, a few months ago the Airbus prroducts (a mix of models in the 330/340 families) was prefered. In the end, I think Boeing will get it; but Airbus is going to work very hard to sign up KLM.

I think KLM AMS-Buenos Aires service will return in the near future; the "Maxima Express".


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

Great move on their part, I would take a GE90 powered 777 over an underpowered CFM56 powered A340-300. KLM would have not prefered the RR Trent powered A340-500/600 being that most of their fleet is powered by GE engines.

User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

What is Maxima express?

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Rafabozzola, Maxima is the future queen of the Netherlands as she will marry the Dutch crown prince next year. As Maxima comes from Argentina, the possible AMS-BUE service will probably called the "Maxima Express".

Regards
Laurens


User currently offlineJuul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

TEDSKI,

Has anyone ever told you your comments about the 'underpowered' A340-300 are becoming REALLY boring? You keep repeating yourself pretty much in every post you make.

Greetings Big grin


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

Its confirmed by someone who has this info from someone who first drank a lot of beers in a bar at CUR and who probably isn't in the decision making unit anyway. Phil Condit's visit to AMS (nice BBJ) some weeks ago seems more interesting than this person in CUR.

Anyway something must come as KLM already fased out two B747-300 full pax (PH-BUP is already in Mojave and the PH-BUR will follow before the end of may) and haven't heard anything on a reduction in capacity.

BTW does anybody know which corporate jets Airbus or ILFC uses (can't find them in my books)? Surely they have some.

Regards
Laurens Janssen


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Who among the flying public or the airlines gives a hoot if the A340 is perceived as being underpowered? If the aircraft makes money for the airline, has a good dispatch reliability and is fixed with the usual accoutrements that the flying public wants today, the fact that it has a slow climb rate is a moot point.

User currently offlineWiLdmanVzla From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

When KLM will make public their order for new aircraft?... It will be nice to see Airbus' planes in KLM livery!!!!! (but they'll order B777, I do agree with that).

******


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1429 times:

According to the last report from KLM (which was some months ago) KLM plans to announce the order in June (maybe at Le Bourget Airshow). However, KLM has postponed the announcement several times now.

Regards
Laurens


User currently offlineJARACO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

IT´S SUCH A PITY KLM IS GETTING RID OF THEIR 747, THEY´VE BEEN FLYING THEM TO MEXICO CITY FOR OVER 27 YEARS.

TODAY KLM OPERATES A DAILY NON STOP SERVICE FROM AMSTERDAM TO MEXICO CITY IN 747-400


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Jaraco, KLM is not getting rid of their B747-400s (KLM will receive 2 additional B747-400s this year and 2 later). Only the older B747 will leave the fleet.

Regards
Laurens


User currently offlineQantasA3XX From Singapore, joined Dec 2000, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Most probably it will be the Boeing 777 !! I havent heard the offical news yet
Can someone help me out here ?
How many B742 and B743s passenger series are they currently operating ?

Thanks


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

At this moment KLM has 7 B747-200 (PH-BUK/L/M/N/O/R/T) and 3 B747-300s (PH-BUU/V/W) flying in passenger configuration .

In addition KLM has 2 B747-200 freighters (PH-BUH/I).

Regards
Laurens


User currently offlineLima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 1286 times:

I hope they can restart Buenos Aires, it is a big market in South America and it is a pity seeing KLM loose market while competitors are increasing their share (Air France, Lufthansa, British Airways).

More attention should be taken to high end business passengers. Hope KLM can MAXIMAse their strategy there.

Saludos,

Lima


User currently offlineKLMBlue From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

Where did you get all your information? I am really interested!!
KLM


User currently offlineKLMBlue From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

Hey LJ... were did you get all your information? I really want to know because KLM is my favorite airline!!
KLM


User currently offlineKLMBlue From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

as the title says... sorry again
KLM


User currently offlineAIRNZ_747-800 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 1231 times:

Well if KLM does order the 777, they should order the 777-300! They're big jets and they're good for summer services to Mumbai, Delhi and Calcutta, when lots of people go to those destinations. I know that KLM prefers Boeing's 777 over Airbus's A340, no doubt about it! Again, I think KLM should order the 777-300.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8052 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 1221 times:

I think it'll be the 777 but whoever gets the order isn't going to make much money on it as KLM will have ruthlessly played one supplier off against the other.

Bizarre fact: a few months ago I had a rant about how the 747-300 would be unsuitable for freighter conversion cos there would be no point in hauling the weight of the stetched upper deck which is useless in freighter config. Turns out it enhances the flying characteristics according to a recent magazine article.

Tedski, the A340 is not underpowered. Please stop going on about it, it ain't true and it makes you sound like you have a problem.



fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

All I know is a GE90 powered 777 with over 90,000lbs thrust from each of it's two engines, has better takeoff and climb performance with a full load on board over the CFM56-5C4 powered A340-300 with only 34,000lbs thrust from each of it's four engines. I am glad Airbus woke up when they were designing the new A340-500/600 models and added the high thrust Rolls Royce Trent 500 engine to compete with the new 777-200LR & 300ER models.

25 Dutchjet : Again with the underpowered A340? I am a Boeing fan, and usually prefer their products, but it is most unfair to keep stating that the A340-200/300 is
26 Alitis : Enough already!
27 Dynkrisolo : When Airbus designed the A345/346 from the A343, Airbus specified engine thrust increase disproportionally higher than the MTOW increase (2/3 thrust i
28 LJ : KLMBlue, I get my info from the Dutch spotters lists and Bloomberg (and various other sources, but these two are the most important). Furthermore, my
29 OverseasBHX : I really hope KLM gets back to EZE. A world-class airline can't be absent from a world-class market, Maxima or no Maxima. As ever,
30 UA777 : .
31 Mac100 : ...underpowered?? Last time I checked the A340 could fly just fine. And it's quiet too! I am not a big fan of these things, but they fly just fine!
32 Dynkrisolo : Everything is relative. The A343 has a thrust-to-weight ratio similar to the B707, but less than the B744. The aircraft is certified to fly, then, it,
33 Post contains images Spaceman : Airbus decided to go with bigger engines is because of the increase cargo, and the increase range on the aircraft.
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