Emile From Netherlands, joined Nov 2000, 206 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1794 times:
it,s confirmed klm preference goes to the triple 7 over airbus 340.
when and if that, going to happen still has to be seen.
other rumour is that they might start buenos-aires again.
maybe becauce our new princes Maxima
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1488 times:
Emile, can you please give your sources as neither boeing nor KLM confirmed anything and untill they haven't, it's just a speculation. Please, next time give your source so it can be verified or wait until KLM announce the order (due in June).
Gerardo, you say it right, an unconfirmed "sure as hell" rumour.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1354 times:
This is still a rumor, there has been an intense competition between Boeing and Airbus for this order, and nothing is yet definite. When the order is finally make, it will be a large one, since not only will the MD11's be replaced, but also the 747 Classics and maybe also the 763s which will start coming off-lease in about 5 years time. (KLM has said that it is not completely satisfied with the 763 - it may have something to do with its cargo capacity, not sure.) Now the 772/773 is in the lead, a few months ago the Airbus prroducts (a mix of models in the 330/340 families) was prefered. In the end, I think Boeing will get it; but Airbus is going to work very hard to sign up KLM.
I think KLM AMS-Buenos Aires service will return in the near future; the "Maxima Express".
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1338 times:
Great move on their part, I would take a GE90 powered 777 over an underpowered CFM56 powered A340-300. KLM would have not prefered the RR Trent powered A340-500/600 being that most of their fleet is powered by GE engines.
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1297 times:
Rafabozzola, Maxima is the future queen of the Netherlands as she will marry the Dutch crown prince next year. As Maxima comes from Argentina, the possible AMS-BUE service will probably called the "Maxima Express".
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4327 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1269 times:
Its confirmed by someone who has this info from someone who first drank a lot of beers in a bar at CUR and who probably isn't in the decision making unit anyway. Phil Condit's visit to AMS (nice BBJ) some weeks ago seems more interesting than this person in CUR.
Anyway something must come as KLM already fased out two B747-300 full pax (PH-BUP is already in Mojave and the PH-BUR will follow before the end of may) and haven't heard anything on a reduction in capacity.
BTW does anybody know which corporate jets Airbus or ILFC uses (can't find them in my books)? Surely they have some.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1234 times:
Who among the flying public or the airlines gives a hoot if the A340 is perceived as being underpowered? If the aircraft makes money for the airline, has a good dispatch reliability and is fixed with the usual accoutrements that the flying public wants today, the fact that it has a slow climb rate is a moot point.
Lima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1068 times:
I hope they can restart Buenos Aires, it is a big market in South America and it is a pity seeing KLM loose market while competitors are increasing their share (Air France, Lufthansa, British Airways).
More attention should be taken to high end business passengers. Hope KLM can MAXIMAse their strategy there.
AIRNZ_747-800 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1013 times:
Well if KLM does order the 777, they should order the 777-300! They're big jets and they're good for summer services to Mumbai, Delhi and Calcutta, when lots of people go to those destinations. I know that KLM prefers Boeing's 777 over Airbus's A340, no doubt about it! Again, I think KLM should order the 777-300.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7808 posts, RR: 54 Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1003 times:
I think it'll be the 777 but whoever gets the order isn't going to make much money on it as KLM will have ruthlessly played one supplier off against the other.
Bizarre fact: a few months ago I had a rant about how the 747-300 would be unsuitable for freighter conversion cos there would be no point in hauling the weight of the stetched upper deck which is useless in freighter config. Turns out it enhances the flying characteristics according to a recent magazine article.
Tedski, the A340 is not underpowered. Please stop going on about it, it ain't true and it makes you sound like you have a problem.
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TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 986 times:
All I know is a GE90 powered 777 with over 90,000lbs thrust from each of it's two engines, has better takeoff and climb performance with a full load on board over the CFM56-5C4 powered A340-300 with only 34,000lbs thrust from each of it's four engines. I am glad Airbus woke up when they were designing the new A340-500/600 models and added the high thrust Rolls Royce Trent 500 engine to compete with the new 777-200LR & 300ER models.
25 Dutchjet: Again with the underpowered A340? I am a Boeing fan, and usually prefer their products, but it is most unfair to keep stating that the A340-200/300 is