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User currently offlineKochamLOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8465 times:

Hello all,

I am curious to hear everyones input on this question; which new routes originating in the US seem to be booming - as far as passenger traffic? For example, I have seen that with 757s, many new routes have been introduced from smaller US cities to Europe. Does anyone see any booming city pairs that appear to have more potential than originally thought?

Thanks for your input.

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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8399 times:

Well right now? Not too many. The global recession is killing traffic. Even so, I would have to say, in my opinion, USA to Africa and South America (ex. Brazil) are probably the markets that are growing the fastest, in terms of yield, routes and passenger growth. Just my guess mostly based on what I have read on a.net.

User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

NYC-ZRH/GVA---after the recent announcement that UBS will be releasing account names to the IRS, there are probably quite a few wealthy New Yorkers and Americans who want to go to Switzerland and pull their money out of the banks, and then maybe go down to the Caymans or Bermuda to open up new accounts.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7531 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8269 times:



Quoting Us330 (Reply 2):
NYC-ZRH/GVA---after the recent announcement that UBS will be releasing account names to the IRS, there are probably quite a few wealthy New Yorkers and Americans who want to go to Switzerland and pull their money out of the banks, and then maybe go down to the Caymans or Bermuda to open up new accounts.

Wont they be going in their private jets so they can fly their Dollar Bills straight from Switzerland to their next secretive bank?


User currently offlineDUSdude From United States of America, joined May 2007, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6833 times:



Quoting Us330 (Reply 2):
NYC-ZRH/GVA---after the recent announcement that UBS will be releasing account names to the IRS, there are probably quite a few wealthy New Yorkers and Americans who want to go to Switzerland and pull their money out of the banks, and then maybe go down to the Caymans or Bermuda to open up new accounts.

Why would they need to do that in person?


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

Houston to Dubai
Houston to Oil Town anywhere.



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User currently offlineDamian From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

CO and DL between them are moving about 30,000 pax per month during the summer between EDI and NYC. Assuming CO retain 2 x daily 757 next summer there will be a gap after DL's EDI-JFK disappears.

Perhaps another US carrier should consider a non-NYC service to EDI. I'd love to see UA operate a 757 service from IAD to EDI. Alternatively perhaps US Airways can look at PHL-EDI or AA might consider ORD-EDI. It seems to me that the EDI-USA market will be underserved next summer if nobody comes along to replace DL, even if on a summer-only basis.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6533 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 5):
Houston to Dubai
Houston to Oil Town anywhere.

Thats really not new.



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User currently offlineT8KE0FF From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 418 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6411 times:

I think the recent service from PHL-BHX has had a good LF


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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6180 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Thats really not new.

Both Houston to Dubai and Doha went daily in just the last 6 months.

If by new we meen the last few weeks then no.



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

UA IAD-DUB. Aer Lingus are currently on the route, they're pulling off it in October. Maybe UA could try a 3/4 weekly 757 service? I think the size of the A330 didn't suit this market and UA obviously have much more recognition in the US than EI.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5652 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 9):
Both Houston to Dubai and Doha went daily in just the last 6 months.

The demand isnt new. Its been there for quite some time.

EK has been daily for longer than that.



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3955 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5597 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 9):
Both Houston to Dubai and Doha went daily in just the last 6 months.

DOH went daily from the get-go, if memory serves.

Thomas



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User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5530 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 10):
and UA obviously have much more recognition in the US than EI.

Sure......but EI have substantially more recognition in Ireland than UA! It's not a one-sided equation.


User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3261 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5491 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 5):
Houston to Oil Town anywhere.

Surely the next HOT SPOT is Libya.
Now that BP has the go ahead they are going to need lots of back up,
Hmmm.  twocents   duck 



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5449 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 10):
UA IAD-DUB. Aer Lingus are currently on the route, they're pulling off it in October.

Ehm, EI is pulling out and you're suggesting the route is booming? No offense, but what kinda logic is that?


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5085 times:



Quoting AirNz (Reply 13):
Sure......but EI have substantially more recognition in Ireland than UA! It's not a one-sided equation.

Well technically. But UA would have an advantage over EI because:
- They have the smaller aircraft available
- They have a much bigger network to feed
- The EI118 was not well-timed to feed its European network
- Aer Lingus could slap a codeshare on it to connect their continental European passengers

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 15):
Ehm, EI is pulling out and you're suggesting the route is booming? No offense, but what kinda logic is that?

Ehm, I didn't suggest it was booming. This has been one of EI's poorest-yielding routes from the get-go. I think United would just operate it more effectively.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5049 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 16):
Ehm, I didn't suggest it was booming.

In this case you're probably in the wrong thread:

Quoting KochamLOT (Thread starter):
New High Demand Routes From USA



Quoting KochamLOT (Thread starter):
booming - as far as passenger traffic

UA might indeed be able to operate it more effectively with a lot of feed into IAD, but I still wouldn't suggest it to be a "hight demand" and/or "booming" route.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7531 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4742 times:



Quoting Damian (Reply 6):
CO and DL between them are moving about 30,000 pax per month during the summer between EDI and NYC.

Provisional CAA figures for July confirm this. They report 19,741 passengers travelling between EDI and EWR and 9,361 between EDI and JFK.

The other routes between provincial UK airports and the USA with more than 10,000 passengers in July were:

MAN and MCO 31,740
GLA and SFD 21,704
MAN and EWR 18,763
MAN and PHL 15,025
MAN and ATL 12,076
MAN and ORD 11,641
BFI and EWR 10,225
GLA and PHL 10,018

Just missing out on my arbitary break point of 10,000 were those travelling between GLA and EWR (9,928) and between BHX and EWR (9,233).

To put these numbers in context those travelling between LHR and JFK in July numbered 223,327.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7378 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4436 times:
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Quoting VV701 (Reply 18):
To put these numbers in context those travelling between LHR and JFK in July numbered 223,327.

Would be good to see how many pax from the regions are connecting onto LHR-JFK.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

In the Caribbean, I still believe routes like MIA/JFK-PAP, JFK/MIA-KIN, JKF-GEO, MIA/IAH-CCS/MAR are high demand routes.
One I don't see flown right now would be MSY-SAP.



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User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2965 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 18):
between BHX and EWR (9,233).

Not too bad. I calculate an approx 85% LF (Revenue of course been a whole different equation) MAN - EWR has about twice the passengers but IIRC two flights versus the one to BHX. Looks like the US service to PHL hasn't affected EWR LF too much. Anyone got any idea how the PHL service is doing? Is it coming back next year?


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1359 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

Since the present climate will bring us a year or two into the future:

Direct US - Baghdad on a scheduled US Carrier. Demand off the scales.
IAH - More oil locations (Africa, SE Asia)
US West Coast - Asia (operated by Asian B787s & A350s)



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User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

Seasonal (summer) NYC-LED service may be worth a try.

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