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El Al Will Fly Domastic: Tel Aviv - Eilat  
User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1298 posts, RR: 5
Posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6104 times:

New competitor on the profitable Tel Aviv - Eilat route, the largest airline in Israel, El Al.

The Israeli Minister of Transportation, Israel Catz, accepted the recommendation of the Israeli Civil Aviation Authority, to allow El Al to fly to Eilat from Tel Aviv Ben Gurion airport. Arkia and Israir, the current operators of the route, opposing the decision, saying that it will harm them seriously and will hurt the competition on the International routes out of TLV. Today, 50% of Arkia & Israir profits come from the domastic market.

Eilat is a resort city in the southern tip of Israel, 350km south of Tel Aviv, with 50,000 residents and 10,000 hotel rooms. Eilat airport handles domestic flights only, from HFA, SDV & TLV. The number of passengers on SDV/TLV-ETH route is about 1 million every year, with 20 round trip flights on weekdays and 30 round trip flights on weekend days. Until 1996 Arkia had monopoly on the domestics flights, and when Netanyahu's first government decided to open the route for competition, a new airline, Israir, joined. El Al never flew to ETH, and foreign tourists coming to Eilat on LY flights had to get off the plane at TLV, and to fly on Israir plane that LY wet leased. Only 8000 tourists a year come to Eilat this way.

In the past few years arkia and Israir started to compete El Al on international routes, including profitable lines to Paris, London and New York (TLV-JFK route was operated by Israir with A332). Now, LY claims that the competition sould imply on domestic routes also, therefore it asked to open TLV-ETH line. LY CEO says that LY can fly 4 times a day to Eilat, using Boeing B757-200s and lowering the ticket price up to 30% less then today price.

Flight to Eilat today cost between 99 NIS to 377 NIS (3.8 NIS = $1US, 5.5 NIS = 1 Euro) one way. The price is set according to the load factor on every specific flight, so as low the load factor is - the lower is the price.

If El Al will fly domestic, it will only fly out of TLV since SDV can't handle jets. Now Arkia flies to ETH with B753, EMB195, ATR72 & DHC 7, and Israir with A320 & ATR42. Another thing sould be mentioned: Eilat airport is small and can't handle many more flights then it handles today.


Hebrew sourse: http://www.themarker.com/tmc/article...?log=tag&ElementId=ir20090824_4546


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User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6080 times:



Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
Eilat is a resort city in the southern tip of Israel, 350km south of Tel Aviv, with 50,000 residents and 10,000 hotel rooms
. Eilat airport handles domestic flights only, from HFA, SDV & TLV. The number of passengers on SDV/TLV-ETH route is about 1 million every year, with 20 round trip flights on weekdays and 30 round trip flights on weekend days. Until 1996 Arkia had monopoly on the domestics flights, and when Netanyahu's first government decided to open the route for competition, a new airline, Israir, joined. El Al never flew to ETH, and foreign tourists coming to Eilat on LY flights had to get off the plane at TLV, and to fly on Israir plane that LY wet leased. Only 8000 tourists a year come to Eilat this way.

Yet, I flew on a LY B767-300 from TLV to ETH in 1994. That 767 was an impressive sight next to the tiny terminal of ETH. During that holiday I saw a B732 from LY landing at ETH a couple of times as well .


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6000 times:



Quoting KL577 (Reply 1):
LY B767-300

I guess it was a 767-200 since LY didn't operate the 763 at that time.
I also flew CDG-ETH in 1992 on a LY762, quite impressive!

Good news if LY flies TLV-ETH. It was high time! A shame it will not be operated with new 738s though



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5593 times:



Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
LY CEO says that LY can fly 4 times a day to Eilat, using Boeing B757-200s and lowering the ticket price up to 30% less then today price.

I thought El Al wanted to get rid of its 757s because they are "not economical"........

How many planes are needed to fly 4 times a day 6 days per week?



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

I would think Eillat other airport VDA, isn't suitable for Israeli domestic flight as it's far from Eilat itself.


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User currently offlineDaviation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

I just flew ETH to SDV in July, last month, on an Israir ATR-42. I didn't see jets at either airport. I thought that the runways at both airports were too short to allow jet service, but I guess I'm wrong. The flying time was only about 35 minutes, but on such a short flight, I can't imagine a jet gaining much of a time advantage. I will say, though, that even on that short Israir flight, they managed to perform a full beverage and snack service, more than some American carriers provide on much longer flights. And the flight attendant managed to do with smiles as well.

User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

Are there no roadconnections between the TLV area and ETH? 350km is not such a long distance...
I now you need to drive through the dessert, maybe it's to dangerous to do that in terms of bad infrastructure or due political situation?

Regards, Flyingfool


User currently offlineFocus From Israel, joined Feb 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5193 times:



Quoting Daviation (Reply 5):
I thought that the runways at both airports were too short to allow jet service, but I guess I'm wrong.

ETH regularly handles 753s, and as mentioned used to handle 732s, 752s and 762s.
SDV does not handle jets. BTW, it regularly handles IAF C-130s, and that's quite impressive (thoug their known to operate from very short runways).

Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 6):
Are there no roadconnections between the TLV area and ETH?

Of course there are. It's about a 4-5 hours drive.

Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 6):
maybe it's to dangerous to do that in terms of bad infrastructure or due political situation?

Hardly. It actually offers pretty nice scenery. However, if you're a frequent traveller on the Tel-Aviv - Eilat route, it can certainly be an exhausting and boring drive.

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 3):
How many planes are needed to fly 4 times a day 6 days per week?

One. It's only a 40 minute flight.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 4):
I would think Eillat other airport VDA, isn't suitable for Israeli domestic flight as it's far from Eilat itself.

True. Flying to VDA means an additional 40 minutes drive to Eilat. That plus driving to TLV, plus security, plus waiting to board, plus taxi time at TLV, plus possible delays, plus waiting for baggage, makes the whole thing a waste of time.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5128 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5107 times:



Quoting Daviation (Reply 5):
I just flew ETH to SDV in July, last month, on an Israir ATR-42. I didn't see jets at either airport. I thought that the runways at both airports were too short to allow jet service, but I guess I'm wrong.

I flew a HV 752 in 1994 to TLV via ETH. Very cool landing with hotels on both sides, and ofcourse the added bonus of a domestic flight after.


User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

Wouldn't El Al need a smaller airplane for such a route, a "regional jet"?

Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 6):
Are there no roadconnections between the TLV area and ETH? 350km is not such a long distance...
I now you need to drive through the dessert, maybe it's to dangerous to do that in terms of bad infrastructure or due political situation?

roads are at some points quite dangerous because they would need to be repaired/modernized/secured. that's indeed the result of the "political situation" - but the internal Israeli political situation......not the ME conflict...



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1298 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4721 times:



Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 6):
Are there no roadconnections between the TLV area and ETH? 350km is not such a long distance...
I now you need to drive through the dessert, maybe it's to dangerous to do that in terms of bad infrastructure or due political situation?

Of course there is, but it is a long and boring drive. The Negev in southern Israel is a mountainous area, so you don't drive the 350km direct, but need to drive on curves, with a lot of buses and trucks traffic. By car via road 40 the drive can take 4 hours (via Mitzpe Ramon) but the other "public" option, for those who don't have a car, is to take a bus via road 90, which takes 5 hours+1 hour getting in/out the central bus station in Tel Aviv. That is a lot of time. The political situation has nothing to do with it, the border with Jordan (where road 90 passes) is safe and quite for decades (Israel has a peace agreement with Jordan)

Quoting Focus (Reply 7):
ETH regularly handles 753s, and as mentioned used to handle 732s, 752s and 762s.

Up to the B757-300 actually, ETH can't handle wide bodies.

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 9):
roads are at some points quite dangerous because they would need to be repaired/modernized/secured. that's indeed the result of the "political situation" - but the internal Israeli political situation......not the ME conflict...

Just like in any other country. Road 90 is single lane for all it's 180km, just like road 40 after Beer Sheva, It will cost a fortion to make a highway all the way to Eilat. And considering the fact that there are barely any resident along the way, it is not economical.

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 9):
Wouldn't El Al need a smaller airplane for such a route, a "regional jet"?

I don't think so. LY, if flies, will only fly on the busy weekend hours. The 752 is perfect for that job.

I don't think LY is serious about that, they are only using it to put pressure on Arkia and Israir not to compete them on International route, or else they will cut their oxygen supply - the Domestic market.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4714 times:



Quoting Focus (Reply 7):
SDV does not handle jets. BTW, it regularly handles IAF C-130s, and that's quite impressive (thoug their known to operate from very short runways).

FWIW, the issue with jets at SDV is runway width, not length. The runway is 1741 meters, which should be plenty for just about any narrowbody flight, but it's only 30 meters wide.



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4468 times:



Quoting EL-AL (Reply 10):
I don't think so. LY, if flies, will only fly on the busy weekend hours. The 752 is perfect for that job

I thought the article mentioned El Al's intention to fly to Eilat 4 times a day 6 days a week.


On the weekends btw, I don't know if El Al is so well positioned with its policy of not flying during Shabbat......



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