Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4814 times:
With CO entering the star alliance, I doubt that they will go 'that low' at EWR. They will keep it a mainline station. Plus there are too many star carriers at EWR to have UA just shun out EWR. 4x CRJ is surprising on EWR-ORD but I believe one of the EWR-DEN flights is still a 757.
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BP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4796 times:
Maybe UA will give CO some slots at ORD to be used for EWR flying and then UA could eliminate ORD-EWR flying and give it all to CO.
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Timberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 562 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4756 times:
Quoting BP1 (Reply 2): Maybe UA will give CO some slots at ORD
UA can not give CO slots at ORD, as there are no slots at ORD.
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4745 times:
Quoting BP1 (Reply 2): Maybe UA will give CO some slots at ORD to be used for EWR flying and then UA could eliminate ORD-EWR flying and give it all to CO.
God..I'd hope not.
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CXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1500 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4644 times:
A natural "reduction" considering that CO is joining *A. ORD has always been more important from LGA (lots of business traffic) anyway.
As it happens, it's not actually a reduction: there's the addition of another frequency by splitting the last 733 into two CR7s. Capacity is maintained, or even slightly increased.
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4549 times:
Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 5): As it happens, it's not actually a reduction: there's the addition of another frequency by splitting the last 733 into two CR7s. Capacity is maintained, or even slightly increased.
That sounds like what is happening with a lot of stations as the 733 transitions out of the fleet - if that is all that is going on, it certainly doesn't portend anything for EWR in particular, as the mainline fleet will be stable once the 737s are gone.
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Crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4527 times:
R.I.P. DC-10.... those were the days....is it fair to say 4 to 5 a day???
EwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4510 times:
Quoting N62NA (Thread starter): how long before UA becomes all RJ out of EWR?
I don't think it will ever happen as UA might want to funnel some of the transatlantic traffic that it doesn't serve through CO's strong european network at EWR and if anything i thought some of the equipment would get upgraded..
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4478 times:
Quoting EwRkId (Reply 8): I don't think it will ever happen as UA might want to funnel some of the transatlantic traffic that it doesn't serve through CO's strong european network at EWR and if anything i thought some of the equipment would get upgraded..
Wouldn't anyone in their right mind connect at FRA rather than EWR? I know I sure would...
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Slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2452 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4393 times:
This is true with CO now a suitable option for UA frequent fliers they can cut a few seats
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4364 times:
Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 10): Do you know of any other stations where this is going on?
In that part of the world, we might look at BDL. Today, it sees 3 319s, a 320, and a CRJ to EWR. In the October 30 schedule, it sees an E70 and 3 319s. Today, it sees a 733, a 319, a 320, a 752, and an E70 to ORD. In the October 30 schedule, it sees a 319, 2 320s, and an E70. In both cases, the effect of the removal of the 737s is pretty minimal even though both routes have long seen plenty of 737s.
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3498 times:
Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 13): Any retirement date scheduled for the 757s?
Nope.
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Letsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3416 times:
In the future, you will see very few overlapping flights between UA and CO. Their routes will not compete but compliment.
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3253 times:
Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 15): In the future, you will see very few overlapping flights between UA and CO. Their routes will not compete but compliment.
Does this mean UA or CO is going to be taking over EWR-DEN/SFO/ORD
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Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19695 posts, RR: 56 Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3183 times:
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 16): Does this mean UA or CO is going to be taking over EWR-DEN/SFO/ORD
Unfortunately for NYCers who love Channel 9, I'd bet those routes go to CO. UA will keep the LGA and JFK routes.
-Mir
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KGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3646 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3099 times:
Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 10): Do you know of any other stations where this is going on? I heard that a few stations will simply lose mainline.
Well, I went through Concourse A at Dulles (the UAX concourse) last Saturday while catching GoJet's IAD-AUS flight. And business is booming.
Concourse A is *so* crowded that you occasionally have to stand at the wall and let the crowd pass.
And there are more CRJ and E70 flights at Concourse C gate 28 (A through X) and Concourse D gates 5, 8, 18 and 20.
It's true that places 733s used to go -- like BUF, ROC, SYR, and ALB -- are mostly CR-7 now.
Surprisingly, MIA is *all* E70 now.
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2947 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 17): UA will keep the LGA and JFK routes.
Yeah but UA still has to cater in some way to EWR. I honestly don't think they will just 'give up' to CO because they are naturally in the same alliance. Look at UA at PHL. They still serve their hub routes even with intricate codeshare of the US hub. There are too many star alliance carriers with PAX that connect at EWR that are used to UA and are unaware of the agreement with CO at this time. Its way too important of any airport (we're talking one of the NYC airports) to give up on...
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N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3671 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2864 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 17): Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 16):
Does this mean UA or CO is going to be taking over EWR-DEN/SFO/ORD
Unfortunately for NYCers who love Channel 9, I'd bet those routes go to CO. UA will keep the LGA and JFK routes.
Which would basically mean no UA planes at EWR.
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 19): There are too many star alliance carriers with PAX that connect at EWR that are used to UA and are unaware of the agreement with CO at this time. Its way too important of any airport (we're talking one of the NYC airports) to give up on...
But if a UA flight on CO metal appears in the schedule as UA Flight #6895, as far as those people are concerned, it will be a "UA" flight.
If UA isn't going to significantly beef up their own flying at EWR, then I can totally see UA completely leaving EWR. Leaving things as they are now, it's basically a skeleton operation.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19695 posts, RR: 56 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2838 times:
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 19): Yeah but UA still has to cater in some way to EWR. I honestly don't think they will just 'give up' to CO because they are naturally in the same alliance.
Oh absolutely. For as long as UA and CO are merely partners in Star Alliance, they'll continue to serve their own routes. But if they take the partnership further into the realm of ATI and revenue sharing (or merger), I think you'll see UA draw down EWR in favor of LGA and JFK.
-Mir
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N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3671 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2811 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 21): For as long as UA and CO are merely partners in Star Alliance, they'll continue to serve their own routes
I'm a bit confused as to your point of view. Earlier you wrote that you could see EWR-DEN/SFO/ORD going all CO. Well, those are the only routes left that UA flies out of EWR!
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19695 posts, RR: 56 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2779 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 22): Earlier you wrote that you could see EWR-DEN/SFO/ORD going all CO.
Yes, IF the partnership between UA and CO moves beyond just both of them being in the same alliance. Until they get some sort of ATI or revenue sharing scheme set up, then I think the status quo will remain - both UA and CO will serve DEN/SFO/ORD from EWR, just that they'll have codeshares on each other's flights.
-Mir
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2702 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 23): Until they get some sort of ATI or revenue sharing scheme set up, then I think the status quo will remain - both UA and CO will serve DEN/SFO/ORD from EWR, just that they'll have codeshares on each other's flights.
It's important to remember that UA and US do not codeshare on each other's hub-hub flights for local passengers. Putting it a different way, a UA ORD-CLT flight only carries a US code for those connecting beyond CLT on US.
If UA and CO have a similar arrangement at first, they will almost have to continue to serve routes side by side - just as UA and US have.
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25 UnitedTristar: I think they are just temporary while Ted goes in for surgery if you look at the spring/summer schedule, its back to the current 2 -m
26 United787: I agree unless you are going somewhere West of FRA that isn't served by UA through IAD or ORD. Then again, I would probably consider connecting in LH
27 Cory6188: I can't say that I agree with this...honestly, I think that codesharing from the perspective of "pax won't know the difference" is just ridiculous. S
28 Tommy767: I don't think this is going to be the case. This isn't PBI, this is EWR. UA makes good money on EWR-ORD and DEN..at the least..
29 LACA773: This is why I feel, UA needs to get together with the pilots union and work on a contract to allow E90/95s. Maybe we'll eventually see CO add another
30 N62NA: I didn't really mean it that way Of course they will notice that... But by then, it's too late, as they've already booked the tickets. Codesharing is
31 Cory6188: Well in that case , I most definitely agree. I can't believe how many times I've come across situations where people have made flight reservations an
32 United1: UA actually asked ALPA to come up with an E90/E95 pay scale not to long ago.
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