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How Low Will UA Go At EWR?  
User currently onlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

I just checked the UA timetable for October 29, 2009 and I noticed that UA will be "up" to 4 CR7s on the EWR-ORD route, with the rest being A320.

This is down from a mix of A319/A320/752 on the route currently.

So, the question... how soon before UA completely abandons EWR-ORD, like they did EWR-LAX?

And, projecting further into the future, how long before UA becomes all RJ out of EWR?

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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

With CO entering the star alliance, I doubt that they will go 'that low' at EWR. They will keep it a mainline station. Plus there are too many star carriers at EWR to have UA just shun out EWR. 4x CRJ is surprising on EWR-ORD but I believe one of the EWR-DEN flights is still a 757.


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User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

Maybe UA will give CO some slots at ORD to be used for EWR flying and then UA could eliminate ORD-EWR flying and give it all to CO.


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User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5900 times:



Quoting BP1 (Reply 2):
Maybe UA will give CO some slots at ORD

UA can not give CO slots at ORD, as there are no slots at ORD.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5889 times:



Quoting BP1 (Reply 2):
Maybe UA will give CO some slots at ORD to be used for EWR flying and then UA could eliminate ORD-EWR flying and give it all to CO.

God..I'd hope not.



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

A natural "reduction" considering that CO is joining *A. ORD has always been more important from LGA (lots of business traffic) anyway.

As it happens, it's not actually a reduction: there's the addition of another frequency by splitting the last 733 into two CR7s. Capacity is maintained, or even slightly increased.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5693 times:



Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 5):
As it happens, it's not actually a reduction: there's the addition of another frequency by splitting the last 733 into two CR7s. Capacity is maintained, or even slightly increased.

That sounds like what is happening with a lot of stations as the 733 transitions out of the fleet - if that is all that is going on, it certainly doesn't portend anything for EWR in particular, as the mainline fleet will be stable once the 737s are gone.



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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1865 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5671 times:

R.I.P. DC-10.... those were the days....is it fair to say 4 to 5 a day???

User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5654 times:



Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
how long before UA becomes all RJ out of EWR?

I don't think it will ever happen as UA might want to funnel some of the transatlantic traffic that it doesn't serve through CO's strong european network at EWR and if anything i thought some of the equipment would get upgraded..


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5622 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 8):
I don't think it will ever happen as UA might want to funnel some of the transatlantic traffic that it doesn't serve through CO's strong european network at EWR and if anything i thought some of the equipment would get upgraded..

Wouldn't anyone in their right mind connect at FRA rather than EWR? I know I sure would...



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5562 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):

That sounds like what is happening with a lot of stations as the 733 transitions out of the fleet

Do you know of any other stations where this is going on? I heard that a few stations will simply lose mainline.



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User currently offlineSlcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5537 times:

This is true with CO now a suitable option for UA frequent fliers they can cut a few seats

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5508 times:



Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 10):
Do you know of any other stations where this is going on?

In that part of the world, we might look at BDL. Today, it sees 3 319s, a 320, and a CRJ to EWR. In the October 30 schedule, it sees an E70 and 3 319s. Today, it sees a 733, a 319, a 320, a 752, and an E70 to ORD. In the October 30 schedule, it sees a 319, 2 320s, and an E70. In both cases, the effect of the removal of the 737s is pretty minimal even though both routes have long seen plenty of 737s.



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4838 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
752

Any retirement date scheduled for the 757s?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4642 times:



Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 13):
Any retirement date scheduled for the 757s?

Nope.



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User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

In the future, you will see very few overlapping flights between UA and CO. Their routes will not compete but compliment.

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4397 times:



Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 15):
In the future, you will see very few overlapping flights between UA and CO. Their routes will not compete but compliment.

Does this mean UA or CO is going to be taking over EWR-DEN/SFO/ORD



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4327 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 16):
Does this mean UA or CO is going to be taking over EWR-DEN/SFO/ORD

Unfortunately for NYCers who love Channel 9, I'd bet those routes go to CO. UA will keep the LGA and JFK routes.

-Mir



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User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4243 times:
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Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 10):
Do you know of any other stations where this is going on? I heard that a few stations will simply lose mainline.

Well, I went through Concourse A at Dulles (the UAX concourse) last Saturday while catching GoJet's IAD-AUS flight. And business is booming.

Concourse A is *so* crowded that you occasionally have to stand at the wall and let the crowd pass.

And there are more CRJ and E70 flights at Concourse C gate 28 (A through X) and Concourse D gates 5, 8, 18 and 20.

It's true that places 733s used to go -- like BUF, ROC, SYR, and ALB -- are mostly CR-7 now.
Surprisingly, MIA is *all* E70 now.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4091 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
UA will keep the LGA and JFK routes.

Yeah but UA still has to cater in some way to EWR. I honestly don't think they will just 'give up' to CO because they are naturally in the same alliance. Look at UA at PHL. They still serve their hub routes even with intricate codeshare of the US hub. There are too many star alliance carriers with PAX that connect at EWR that are used to UA and are unaware of the agreement with CO at this time. Its way too important of any airport (we're talking one of the NYC airports) to give up on...



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User currently onlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4008 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 16):
Does this mean UA or CO is going to be taking over EWR-DEN/SFO/ORD

Unfortunately for NYCers who love Channel 9, I'd bet those routes go to CO. UA will keep the LGA and JFK routes.

Which would basically mean no UA planes at EWR.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 19):
There are too many star alliance carriers with PAX that connect at EWR that are used to UA and are unaware of the agreement with CO at this time. Its way too important of any airport (we're talking one of the NYC airports) to give up on...

But if a UA flight on CO metal appears in the schedule as UA Flight #6895, as far as those people are concerned, it will be a "UA" flight.

If UA isn't going to significantly beef up their own flying at EWR, then I can totally see UA completely leaving EWR. Leaving things as they are now, it's basically a skeleton operation.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3982 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 19):
Yeah but UA still has to cater in some way to EWR. I honestly don't think they will just 'give up' to CO because they are naturally in the same alliance.

Oh absolutely. For as long as UA and CO are merely partners in Star Alliance, they'll continue to serve their own routes. But if they take the partnership further into the realm of ATI and revenue sharing (or merger), I think you'll see UA draw down EWR in favor of LGA and JFK.

-Mir



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User currently onlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4430 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3955 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
For as long as UA and CO are merely partners in Star Alliance, they'll continue to serve their own routes

I'm a bit confused as to your point of view. Earlier you wrote that you could see EWR-DEN/SFO/ORD going all CO. Well, those are the only routes left that UA flies out of EWR!


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3923 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 22):
Earlier you wrote that you could see EWR-DEN/SFO/ORD going all CO.

Yes, IF the partnership between UA and CO moves beyond just both of them being in the same alliance. Until they get some sort of ATI or revenue sharing scheme set up, then I think the status quo will remain - both UA and CO will serve DEN/SFO/ORD from EWR, just that they'll have codeshares on each other's flights.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3846 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 23):
Until they get some sort of ATI or revenue sharing scheme set up, then I think the status quo will remain - both UA and CO will serve DEN/SFO/ORD from EWR, just that they'll have codeshares on each other's flights.

It's important to remember that UA and US do not codeshare on each other's hub-hub flights for local passengers. Putting it a different way, a UA ORD-CLT flight only carries a US code for those connecting beyond CLT on US.

If UA and CO have a similar arrangement at first, they will almost have to continue to serve routes side by side - just as UA and US have.



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25 UnitedTristar : I think they are just temporary while Ted goes in for surgery if you look at the spring/summer schedule, its back to the current 2 -m
26 United787 : I agree unless you are going somewhere West of FRA that isn't served by UA through IAD or ORD. Then again, I would probably consider connecting in LH
27 Cory6188 : I can't say that I agree with this...honestly, I think that codesharing from the perspective of "pax won't know the difference" is just ridiculous. S
28 Tommy767 : I don't think this is going to be the case. This isn't PBI, this is EWR. UA makes good money on EWR-ORD and DEN..at the least..
29 LACA773 : This is why I feel, UA needs to get together with the pilots union and work on a contract to allow E90/95s. Maybe we'll eventually see CO add another
30 N62NA : I didn't really mean it that way Of course they will notice that... But by then, it's too late, as they've already booked the tickets. Codesharing is
31 Cory6188 : Well in that case , I most definitely agree. I can't believe how many times I've come across situations where people have made flight reservations an
32 United1 : UA actually asked ALPA to come up with an E90/E95 pay scale not to long ago.
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