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CO Named Leading Carrier In New York  
User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12224 times:

Crain's New York Business Taps Continental as Leading New York Airline

Continental carries nearly 30 percent more passengers than next airline group

NEW YORK, Aug. 31 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) has been named the top airline by Crain's New York Business in its list of the 50 largest airlines in the New York area, ranked by total passengers. The carrier also tops the list for the most domestic and international passengers.


"Continental has invested more than $1 billion at Newark Liberty International Airport in the last several years, and it is the only true global gateway and connecting complex in the New York area," said Jim Compton, Continental's executive vice president of marketing. "We offer more nonstop international destinations from the New York area than any other carrier."

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayRe...story/08-31-2009/0005085620&EDATE=

Great Job CO!!!!

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User currently offlinePapatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12205 times:

Interesting but I did not see the words New Jersey anywhere in the article

User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12198 times:

...and what about Delta? I thought DL has more destinations out of the NYC area(JFK) than CO(EWR) does.


Bring JetBlue To Mexico City! (TLC and/or MEX would be great)
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12171 times:



Quoting N623JB (Reply 2):
...and what about Delta? I thought DL has more destinations out of the NYC area(JFK) than CO(EWR) does.

No way. It has never been disputed that CO leads the pack out of the NYC area (JFK/LGA/EWR). Newark is a hub in its truest sense. JFK simply isn't designed to handle the amount of flights tha CO does. At least out of a single "terminal" much like how carriers operate from JFK.



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User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12159 times:



Quoting Papatango (Reply 1):
New Jersey anywhere in the article

Thats becuase there not talking about New jersey in the article Silly.

Here the text again if u didnt read it clearly

NEW YORK, Aug. 31 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) has been named the top airline by Crain's New York Business in its list of the 50 largest airlines in the New York area, ranked by total passengers. The carrier also tops the list for the most domestic and international passengers.


User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12157 times:



Quoting COalways (Reply 4):
Thats becuase there not talking about New jersey in the article Silly.

Here the text again if u didnt read it clearly

NEW YORK, Aug. 31 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) has been named the top airline by Crain's New York Business in its list of the 50 largest airlines in the New York area, ranked by total passengers. The carrier also tops the list for the most domestic and international passengers.

 bigthumbsup 

Close enough to NY if you ask me  Smile


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12117 times:



Quoting Star_world (Reply 5):


Close enough to NY if you ask me

It may be in the state of New Jersy, but by all measures possible, it is considered an NYC airport.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12033 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
it is considered an NYC airport.

So does the Port Authority.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11999 times:

oh wow..I just wish that JFK Airport can be more organized..instead of having 2-3 seperate Terminals for Delta..and other airlines in other places...like..
1.Lufthansa,Aer Lingus should be closer to jetBlue's Terminal, by being @ Terminal 4 instead of Terminal 1. (easier connections)
2.OneWorld Airlines should be with OneWorld Airlines and not all over the airport.
Here is the OneWorld Airlines Locations:
-JAL is located @ Terminal 1.
-LAN,Royal Jordanian is located @ Terminal 4.
-Iberia,British Airways,Cathy Pacific are all in Terminal 7.
-AA and Finnair are located @ Terminal 8.
3. Star Alliance is located in Terminals 1,4,7,and 8.

This is why I am saying that the Airlines should be all together in which they are associated with their Alliances(AA with OneWorld,UA with StarAlliance,etc)..and not Mexicana
(Star Alliance) being @ T8(AA Terminal).



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User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11989 times:

Its not just one Airport they included all 3 New York Area Airports EWR JFK LGA as CO being the Leader in New York as the Article states.

The list, published in August, used combined data on arrivals and departures flying into and out of John F. Kennedy International, LaGuardia and Newark Liberty International airports for the 12 months ended June 30. Continental, together with its regional partners, carried more than 24 million passengers in the New York area during in the past year, nearly thirty percent more than the next airline group on the list, the Crain's report said.


User currently offlineFlyBlue777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11979 times:



Quoting COalways (Thread starter):
"Continental has invested more than $1 billion at Newark Liberty International Airport in the last several years

Thats funny....

Where did the money go???

When I was there, I had a 20 minute walk, and the place looked like a train depot....

Will never change planes there again..

Ed.


User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11955 times:

..also forgot to mention about Skyteam...Skyteam also seems to be in a couple of terminals @ JFK-T1-4.(Delta has 2,3,and a bit of 4).


Bring JetBlue To Mexico City! (TLC and/or MEX would be great)
User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11933 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
It may be in the state of New Jersy, but by all measures possible, it is considered an NYC airport.

Umm that's what I said  Smile I was agreeing. Hence the thumbs up....


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11836 times:
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Quoting N623JB (Reply 8):

I agree 100% with you and every time i use JFK i ask the same question: why on mostly airports alliances try to be closer and here they are sparsed.



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11751 times:

If were talking New York area then of course it's CO


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User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11720 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):

Exactly! Thank You.
Its just disorganization at JFK..thats the way I see it.



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User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11680 times:



Quoting FlyBlue777 (Reply 10):
When I was there, I had a 20 minute walk, and the place looked like a train depot....

EWR Terminal C is not that a beauty, but no way at all it looks like a train depot. I think you were in the wrong APO.

TBYO787


User currently onlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3650 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11555 times:



Quoting N623JB (Reply 11):
..also forgot to mention about Skyteam...Skyteam also seems to be in a couple of terminals @ JFK-T1-4.(Delta has 2,3,and a bit of 4).

That's right. Air France is in T1 and KLM is in T4. Air France and KLM are married, so they should be together in the same Terminal. Either KLM moves to T1, and then all Sky Team carriers except Delta move to T1 (I believe that Alitalia, Korean and Aero Mexico are in T1, I don't know if CSA is), or Air France moves to T4. But I think that the most logical solution would be KLM moving to T1 and Lufthansa and Turkish going away, since Lufthansa is now flirting with Jet Blue, they should move to T5 or 6, whichever Jet Blue occupies (I think they occupy the old TWA terminal) if they want to go in bed together.
Turkish will move to T4 and JAL will move to T7 or 8.

Quoting N623JB (Reply 15):
Its just disorganization at JFK..thats the way I see it.

I agree. This is how JFK should be organized:

All Sky Team airlines concentrate their operations in T1,2,3 and a little bit of 4: Delta keeps 2,3 and the few gates they have in 4, all other Sky Team airlines go and stay in T1.

All One World airlines concentrate their operations in T 7 and 8 with American being the leading carrier in T8. Malev used to be in T8.

Jet Blue stays where it is, with Lufthansa moving there. All other Star Alliance airlines using a few slots at JFK (United, Turkish, Swiss, ANA,...and whoever else in Star flies to JFK) go to T 4 and share it with whoever else squats T 4 (Emirates, El Al, Air Jamaica, etc...). But Star doesn't have that many slots at JFK since they'd rather concentrate their operations in EWR. I wouldn't be surprised if some Star airlines leave JFK and settle in EWR, unless they want to codeshare with Jet Blue. I believe Singapore flies to EWR, not sure if they still serve JFK.

Continental leading carrier in NYC, true. EWR is their second largest hub, first is IAH.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11486 times:

This is a non-event really. I understand that it makes for great PR but CO being the largest airline in NYC is hardly news.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11382 times:

As far as actual NYC traffic Delta is larger, CO's wins because it has more connecting pax.


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11324 times:



Quoting N623JB (Reply 8):
This is why I am saying that the Airlines should be all together in which they are associated with their Alliances(AA with OneWorld,UA with StarAlliance,etc)..and not Mexicana
(Star Alliance) being @ T8(AA Terminal).

Agreed. In fact I think in every major hub airport alliance members should be grouped as close to each other as possible. That would be perfect - provided of course everyone stays in their alliance. But I have heard that it is not that easy. Airlines sign long term leases for specific gates or invest billions into their terminals. The logistics and costs of shuffling airlines around, especially at JFK, would be immense. So airlines evaluate the cost of this vs. the extra revenue (or cost saving from efficiencies) and decide if it is worth it. They might opt to buy a few buses and schlep people from one terminal to the next to help passengers without moving locations. Does it ease connections? Yes especially if it is all post security. Is it optimal? No.

I would hate to connect between airlines at JFK or LAX. The separate terminals (most of the time) require new security checks etc.


User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11259 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 17):
I don't know if CSA is

Does not quite matter, they are abandoning flights over the pond altogether (ahh the good ole times when they had both EWR and JFK, and Canada on top of that) rather than changing for more sensible equipment.



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User currently offlineTpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

I love that people are always so annoyed by CO. The airport is in NJ, the pax are connecting, the terminal is ugly, etc,etc.

You'd never hear this crap about DL in CVG or UA in IAD


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21092 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11136 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 20):
I would hate to connect between airlines at JFK or LAX. The separate terminals (most of the time) require new security checks etc

Fortunately, people rarely have to do that, because JFK is centered so much on O&D.

-Mir



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11081 times:



Quoting Tpaewr (Reply 22):
love that people are always so annoyed by CO. The airport is in NJ, the pax are connecting, the terminal is ugly, etc,etc.

You'd never hear this crap about DL in CVG or UA in IAD

Have you actually looked at the DL or UA threads? Plenty of griping there.



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25 Letsgetwet : When were you there last? 30 years ago? Terminal C is by far the nicest airport terminal in the NYC area.
26 Ikramerica : AA's terminal at JFK is nicer. B6 may be as well.
27 Maverick623 : Neither is EWR. I think there's 8 days out of the year they're not in some kind of ATC delay. The new T5 is nice, but reminds me too much of a shoppi
28 Ikramerica : I don't think EWR T-C is much better though. Long stretches of shopping mall/food court in two of the three piers, with signs all over telling you ho
29 DeltaL1011man : To bad T5 doesn't have FIS to make your dreams come true. To bad some of the airlines in T1 own the building and don't want to move. One of these is
30 Tommy767 : um..what is wrong with that at an airport? It is good to have many shopping and food options before getting on a plane.. Yup. CO's terminal is nice a
31 Tpaewr : Really? How often do we here that UA hub's isn't REALLY in DC, cause IAD is Virginia? I don't think the DL fanboys EVER mention that CVG stands for C
32 OA412 : I was responding to the other issues you brought up regarding ugly terminals and connecting passengers. However, the fact of the matter is that all t
33 Tpaewr : Agreed! Just my luck, I try and pick a fight on A-net and stumble into the one rational, logical person on the whole forum! Srsly, you are correct an
34 Panamair : Based on PANYNJ data for 2008, here are the total number of pax carried by the top airline groups in the NYC area (JFK, EWR, LGA): 1. Continental (an
35 Delta2UAL : I agree. I think CO knows this is probably the last year they can say that. Once DL + NW have their numbers combined, plus they get the 400+ slots at
36 CODC10 : About 6 million pax/yr is a lot of ground to cover. DL and CO will be much more comparable in the NYC area once DL expands at LGA, but I have my doub
37 Evan767 : I agree. I was in MSP the other week and was exploring the airport for the first time. I was extremely impressed with the "shopping mall" layout. I l
38 United787 : That is what the Senator from Idaho thought?
39 Jamincan : Even if DL were to double it's size at LGA to 12 million or so (not necessarily a reasonable assumption), it would still be smaller than CO unless CO
40 Readytotaxi : I note that most replies to this article are US based understandably, from this side of the pond can I just say how much I like EWR as an airport. Arr
41 Rwy04LGA : Not far enough from NYC if you ask me. Comparing an airport that was designed in the 50s to an airport designed in the 70s is like comparing apples t
42 ExFATboy : Aer Lingus is at T4, not T1, unless they moved recently and the PANYNJ website hasn't been updated. T5 doesn't have immigration/customs facilities, s
43 N623JB : I hope they dont drop EWR,because its 1 of 3 NYC area airports. JetBlue should have service out of the 3. I dont see why they should drop EWR. I thin
44 Luv2cattlecall : Wow, if the list was of the 50 largest airlines in the NY area.... how many airlines serve the area in total? I never realized there were so many car
45 JetBlue777 : When I think of CO, I dont think them as a "New Yorker", That titles goes to B6, a true New Yorker Airline. But its based on official statistics and E
46 Conti764 : Strange statement... What do you think the 'NJ' in PANYNJ stands for? I don't understand why people would dislike Terminal C at EWR. I've been there
47 Huaiwei : You do realise that PANYNJ stands for the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey right?
48 Tommy767 : I have to say that AA has a lot of balls cutting EWR the way they did knowing that they operate almost 1.5 million pax a year from the airport. That
49 FilLPA : Mexicana does not belong to Star anymore!!! they are about to join OneWorld in October!!
50 EwRkId : Well put, I found this when coming back to EWR from FRA and I looked at some of the bag tags and most of them were going to LAX,MSP,IAH,SEA....Good J
51 CV880 : [quote=COalways,reply=0]EWR: 1. CO: 24,150,414[/quote Aside from the topic, what is really impressive is CO's EWR operation which accounts for about 9
52 N623JB : I wonder why there are airlines that are switching over to other alliances like the one you have just mentioned(Mexicana going over to 1World).
53 Mir : B6 is the only New York-based airline, true. But among the other airlines with hubs in NYC, I consider CO to be the airline with the biggest ties to
54 American 767 : Right, it started in 1980 when People Express was founded and settled in EWR. People Express bought used 727's and 737's from Alitalia and Lufthansa
55 Gxman : I think it depends on where you are in the city. When I lived on the west side of Manhattan, I flew out of EWR. Now when I go to NY for work I fly in
56 Rampart : According to an FAA study in 2005, 20% of EWR's originating passengers come from New York City proper, 25% from New York state (including NYC), and 7
57 N62NA : The new AA Terminal at JFK is pretty close in though. Sad, but true.... And lower Manhattan / Wall Street is quite convenient to EWR as well.
58 Ikramerica : Because it's so hard to get to JFK or LGA from new jersey, that's why. It's easy for people in lower manhattan to get to EWR once they get past the h
59 Mir : The architecture of T8 is nice, but AA really dropped the ball when it came to shops and restaurants compared to Terminal C at EWR. -Mir
60 JetBlue777 : I know that.... LOL, I guess I just want B6 to be the star. My name says it all.
61 N623JB : They will be They are a great airline with a great product.
62 ExFATboy : And in the restaurant department, compared to JetBlue at T5. And from Lower Manhattan, you even have the PATH option, you don't have to go to Penn St
63 AviationMaster : Perhaps one of the reasons of airlines being spread out all across JFK's terminals, regardless of their alliance membership, is due to the terminals'
64 JetBlue777 : B6 cant move since they already built a brand-new terminal. But I agree, JFK should be organized. All OW should be in T8, its new and airy and I thin
65 N623JB : I know that jetBlue is @ T5. I mentioned about LH/EI not B6 @ T1/T4.But some of B6's arrivals are @ T4-B6 International Arrivals.
66 Aaal : I disagree. I think they have just enough and it is very quiet. AA usually has something going on. I love when they display some art. Only thing bad
67 N62NA : But that's what I personally like about the AA terminal at JFK. It reminds me that I am still at an airport, and not at some shopping mall.
68 Egcarter : I lived in the NY area for many years (various parts of Manhattan, NJ, CT). When I lived in lower Manhattan (I even worked at the PANYNJ in the WTC at
69 Letsgetwet : But it wasn't.
70 STT757 : Even with the NWA merger and the newly acquired LGA slots DL will still lag behind CO in terms of passengers handled through the NYC metropolitan air
71 DeltaL1011man : well or so we think DL could also go out and start LGA-MCO 744 runs to be able to say it
72 FlyDeltaJets : CSA is in Terminal 4 Thats correct Mexicana is in T8 with AA Delta runs a SkyTeam van service that connects all 4 of the SkyTeam airlines' terminals
73 MAH4546 : No alliance is very reliant on connections at JFK with the exception of SkyTeam. JFK is an extremely O&D-focused airport. OneWorld and especially Sta
74 SurfandSnow : Of course CO is the leading carrier in New York. From EWR, they serve everything from Tulsa, Oklahoma to St. John's, Newfoundland, to Bristol, England
75 WorldTraveler : And this chart also highlights why the DL/NW merger plus the DL/US slot deal is so important to DL. DL will be the dominant airline at JFK and LGA in
76 Airzim : So Worldtraveler, Given that DL is seasonally dropping multiple destinations to Europe during the winter season is it also safe to assume that Delta i
77 STT757 : DL is shrinking too, cancelling one 767-300 flight from JFK is like cancelling 5 CRJ flights. And how many International flights has DL dropped or an
78 COalways : Delta and ALOT of other Airlines cannt compete against CO in certain markets. CO is a force to be wreaking with. DL pulled out of a couple cites that
79 WorldTraveler : You fail to appreciate that DL has antitrust immunity in force NOW. It doesn't have to operate its own aircraft if it can share revenue on its partne
80 Cory6188 : Well...in all fairness, that's not entirely true. EWR-ATH has been wavering a bit -- it went from year-round to summer seasonal for now, so we'll see
81 MAH4546 : Even looking at average fares, you can see Delta is usually the junk fare carrier in markets where they compete with another U.S. carrier. In the JFK
82 OA412 : Average fare is great and I know you like to trot it out every time that it makes AA look good and DL look bad yet AA's financials are somehow not as
83 WorldTraveler : yet somehow AA can't seem to be able to generate the profit levels that DL does .... or at least AA manages to lose money at a faster rate than DL. So
84 MaverickM11 : Didn't one of them just come out of bankruptcy? That couldn't have soemthing to do with it could it ? That didn't work very well. 1) The deal has to
85 Co757 : Don't let the door hit you in the a#s on the way out
86 Mir : The most destinations served nonstop from NYC is a pretty important presence. And CO's got that. -Mir
87 MAH4546 : Unions. AA, unfortunately to some, fortunately to others, never received the advantage of dumping the burdens of many costly employee contracts that
88 WorldTraveler : There isn't a single quarter in which AA exceeded DL's average fare in any direction for any quarter - let alone by a factor as much as you would lik
89 STT757 : You mean DL wants to be the biggest carrier in Queens county?.. Otherwise if we are talking the NYC market overall CO is the dominant carrier. There'
90 Airzim : Last time I checked, outsourcing your flying to an overseas airline was considered a move in desperation since DL seems incapable of supporting fligh
91 WorldTraveler : You obviously do not understand joint ventures. DL delivers thousands of passengers to AF and KL gateways in the US, carriers other passengers throug
92 Mir : They're already the dominant carrier on the Brooklyn/Queens side of the East River. But if you want to talk about Manhattan, then you have to deal wi
93 Airzim : No I understand them perfectly. You can spin this anyway you want. Fact, Delta can't compete from New York to CDG, FRA, LHR, AMS, MAN, etc. on their
94 Rampart : I understand that NYC, and NY, has a greater population, but what are the "actual numbers"? Numbers are numbers. I'm confused by what you mean, perha
95 OA412 : We all know about your hatred of DL but this has to be the most convoluted reasoning I've seen in a very long time. CO was forced into a JV because D
96 Post contains links COalways : ANYWAYS CO is the Leader In New York the LARGEST Air Market In The World!!! WORK HARD FLY RIGHT Nice Video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dib6lqNaWD0
97 MPDPilot : I just noticed a few things that aren't quite right here I thought I would point out. First I think you missed a negative in there. You meant to say
98 Caljn : JetBlue777,reply=45]That titles goes to B6, a true New Yorker Airline[/quote] Really?? Well, I'm gonna fly B6 over CO then!
99 Beeweel15 : Well Terminal 6 is empty right now and can be retro fitted at a reasonable cost
100 WorldTraveler : The fact is that CO and DL both were bidding to be AF's partner in the US; DL won the bid. CO had a longstanding relationship with NW which worked we
101 STT757 : EWR has been a CO hub since '86, the 2nd bankruptcy really didn't affect EWR's operations one way or another. What did start the dramatic internation
102 WorldTraveler : Bethune was clearly visionary but he would never have been brought in nor would he have desired to touch a US airline had it not been for the potenti
103 Airzim : I don't hate Delta. I hate Deltoids. There's a difference. This is primarily driven by Deltoids' inability to critically critique their own carrier.
104 ExFATboy : I think retrofitting T6 to add immigration/customs would be much more expensive than you do - you'd have to go in and reconfigure all the gates to se
105 WorldTraveler : thank you for clarifying your position. You need say no more. The simple fact is that airlines that have JVs are larger and have more expansive route
106 Airzim : Nice try. Of course a JV is larger because the number of possible itineraries covered under the JV significantly increases. This is because the Europ
107 ExFATboy : The benefits from JV may flow to the company, but what's wrong with that? Corporations exist first and foremost for their stockholders, and not every
108 WorldTraveler : Carriers CANNOT make joint decisions without antitrust immunity. Codesharing DOES NOT allow integrated network and strategic planning - including sch
109 OA412 : And yet you never pass up a chance to do so. And what exactly are your credentials again? I don't think you've ever quite share that with us.
110 WorldTraveler : Let's also be clear that there is a difference between critically evaluating something and just being critical. I and other "deltoids" are more than
111 Post contains links STT757 : Nor do you see New Jersey on the Jets or Giants uniforms, yet there they are in the Garden State getting ready to move into their new stadium next ye
112 T5towbar : Yeah, That's a small problem, and a lot of is due to the construction at Terminal B. Even though the frequency of the buses have improved, the constr
113 MIAspotter : Totally agree! i was there on Aug 11th and on Sept 7th on my way to MIA and back to BCN and the airport looked like a mess, CO does have some good se
114 Tommy767 : CO at terminal C can most definitely can support a huge amount of flights and passengers. Its over 60 gates in size. The biggest problem that I've se
115 STT757 : I just got back from several business trips on DL, EWR is pristine compared to the gate areas at ATL.
116 CODC10 : Bethune had the airline business in his blood. He was not brought in by Continental to be CEO, either. He might have been working for Boeing prior to
117 Tommy767 : Really? I've always found ATL to be really clean ever since the 2006-2007 renovations.
118 T5towbar : There are plans in the pipeline for a complete makeover of Terminal A. The Port Authority has it listed as one of it's projects to be done along with
119 STT757 : I've always found EWR's Terminal C to be very clean, so it goes to show it's all in the eye of the beholder. Besides what does renovations have to do
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