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FR's Winter Routes Back For The Season...  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

STN-CUF
DUB-SZG
BHX-GNB
EDI-GNB
LPL-GNB
NYO-GNB
GSE-KLU
NYO-KLU
BRS-TRN
DUB-TRN
EMA-TRN
PIK-TRN
NYO-TRN <--- new route

Should be on its site later today or tomorrow.



[Edited 2009-09-01 01:31:35]


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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

I propose to keep all FR new routes, suspensions & cancellations in this thread.

From NRN, many routes will not operate during the winter (no news on whether they'll return for the summer):

AHO, DUB, SUF, SDR, TPS, REU, SNN, VLC and ZAD will all stop operating from October 25. From these routes, NRN-DUB caught my attention, as I expected this one to be a year-round runner. The other routes are typical summer routes and I expect them to return in March.

Although scheduled have not been finalized yet, it seems that NRN reverts to 7 aircraft (down from current 8) for the winter season. It's not really a surprise: the 8th aircraft has never been announced by Ryanair, but was suddenly just added to the schedules from the first week of August, and it was solely used to increase frequencies on existing routes. Amongst others, typical sun-destinations like ALC and TPS were increased.

I'm not surprised that they use the aircraft for other purposes during the (slow) winter season, especially as flights to the alps are not as popular from the Netherlands / western Germany as they are from UK or Sweden - simply because it's not too bad going to the Alps with your own car.

Interesting enough, NRN-STN will be upgraded again from 2-daily to 3-daily for the winter season.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3036 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 1):

I propose to keep all FR new routes, suspensions & cancellations in this thread.

I have hitherto created such a thread, but then there's no announcements for a long time by which time the thread is locked. But we could indeed try again.

Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
AHO, DUB, SUF, SDR, TPS, REU, SNN, VLC and ZAD

All sound summer-orientated except, as you said, DUB.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2999 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
AHO, DUB, SUF, SDR, TPS, REU, SNN, VLC and ZAD

All sound summer-orientated except, as you said, DUB.

While I can see the seasonality in SNN-NRN, isn't it normally year round? It seems to be the only German route FR can get to work from SNN (HHN has been tried more than once, SXF was tried for a bit, and I think LBC was at one point too)



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2988 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 3):
While I can see the seasonality in SNN-NRN, isn't it normally year round?

IIRC, it was indeed operating last winter, although tickets were typically very cheap. And now with the Irish departure tax and the economical situation, I can imagine that it's not worth operating the route.


User currently offlineFlywrite From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2916 times:
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Do MME-ALC and MME-GRO stop for the winter season?

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting Flywrite (Reply 5):
Do MME-ALC and MME-GRO stop for the winter season?

Its thrice-weekly ALC-MME-ALC stops on the 31st Oct, and its thrice-weekly GRO-MME-GRO stops on the 24th Oct. Such routes, by their nature, peak heavily in the summer, hence I expect their return next year.

[Edited 2009-09-01 06:24:33]


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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2753 times:
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Quoting Flywrite (Reply 5):
Do MME-ALC and MME-GRO stop for the winter season?



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 6):
its thrice-weekly GRO-MME-GRO stops on the 24th Oct

Seen at Ryanair webiste that these flights will continue flying on winter season (three times weekly: tuesday, thursday and saturday)

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):
Seen at Ryanair webiste that these flights will continue flying on winter season (three times weekly: tuesday, thursday and saturday)

Not in its booking system.

===

Re. ALC-MME-ALC for July 2009:

4,189/2 directions/13 operational days in the month = 161.12/189 seats x 100 = 85.25% average seat factor.

Re. GRO-MME-GRO for July 2009:

4,217/2 directions/13 operational days in the month = 162.19/189 seats x 100 = 85.81% average seat factor.

Without breakeven load factor and fares paid information, it’s rather meaningless, but if we assume certain things then it probably performed well on those (highly summer-seasonal) routes, even in the ongoing climate. I notice that FR had 100% market share on both routes (FR is normally the number-one or –two airline in terms of market share on its operated routes).

[Edited 2009-09-01 07:40:13]


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User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Hi

There was a rumor on another site and in a magazine that Ryanair were going to start services from Paris Vatry. Is there any truth in this?

(Please before you say Vatry is way to far from Paris, it is close to the tourist regions of Champagne and Burgundy. Also in an area of France that really is not served by any airlines. So if you don't think of it as a Paris airport it makes more sense)

Alex


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2393 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Didn't they try Reims before and could not make it work? Although most probably Stansted was not the best origin airport.


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User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 2339 times:



Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 10):
Didn't they try Reims before and could not make it work? Although most probably Stansted was not the best origin airport.

Don't know about Reims, but Go tried Dijon before Ryanair bought them. I guess that if FR could not make Reims work then Vatry has no chance.

Not sure if Stansted is a good or bad departure point for this area. I live in a small town in Northern Burgundy and driving around today about one in ten cars is British (this is after the schools have gone back). There is also a reasonable second home market here. So I am guessing if you are British and have a second home in this area then the chances are that you live in the South East of England or London area.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 2306 times:



Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 10):
Didn't they try Reims before and could not make it work?

They did, and they ceased the route on January 14, 2004, together with STN-MST, STN-OST, STN-CFE.

Quoting Richcandy (Reply 11):
I guess that if FR could not make Reims work then Vatry has no chance.

Times have changed in 5 years. Early 2004, FR had just begun operating routes that did not start or end in the UK or Ireland. They had already an impressive network from STN to French regional airports, but outside those routes, they only operated NYO-BVA, GRO-BVA, HHN-MPL and CRL-CCF; CIA-BVA was just launched after STN-RHE was cancelled.

Back at the time, FR still included route maps in their Investor presentations (quite a struggle with their current network), it's nice to see who things have changed in only 5 years: http://www.ryanair.com/site/about/invest/docs/present/quarter2_04.pdf . At the time, they had 6 routes from GRO  Smile (STN, DUB, PIK, CRL, HHN, BGY; it wasn't a base back then).

I think Vatry can also be attractive for French recrational traffic, so Vatry-Spain or Vatry-Italy, for people living in the Rheims area, but it can also attract people from Lorraine (Nancy etc) or Dijon - actually, there is not too much choice for airports from that region! Metz-Nancy doesn't offer a lot, Dijon has no commercial flights at all, so those people need to drive/train to LYS, CDG/ORY, LUX or even HHN. I'd say there's quite a market to explore, and flights to/from ALC, GRO, BGY, MRS or PSA might work well; and when it's a base, flights to Morocco might be particularly attractive - as this kind of VFR-traffic is typically very price-sensitive and people are willing to drive a distance to save money.


User currently offlineDarr34 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 2194 times:



Quoting Richcandy (Reply 11):
Don't know about Reims, but Go tried Dijon before Ryanair bought them. I guess that if FR could not make Reims work then Vatry has no chance.

It was actually Buzz that operated the route to Dijon, and who were brought by FR. Go were brought back EZY at around the same time. IIRC Buzz had quite a wide range of destinations in France, served from STN of course


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