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Gulf Air Selling A340 Fleet  
User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 20
Posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11749 times:

Apparently Gulf Air is going to undergo a "comprehensive review" as Majali takes over as CEO. First of which is GF putting the A340's on the market, as per Flight Global:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...puts-a340-fleet-on-the-market.html


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7758 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11722 times:

So what is going to replace the A340's, are the A330's due soon.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4833 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11511 times:



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 1):
So what is going to replace the A340's, are the A330's due soon.

new A 333s of which 20 are ordered from Airbus. But I highly doubt all 20 A 330s ordered by GF will be of the -300 variant.

The best option according to me is as follows:

FYI, on order are 15 A 320s + 20 A 330s + 24 B 787s.

**Replace 10 A 320s with 4 A 321-200s + 7 A 320s + 4 A 319s.**

A 321s - good aircraft for GF to use on short haul high density routes within the Middle East as this aircraft has excellent operational economics. It should also be used additionally on all BAH-BEY, BAH-KHI, BAH-DEL and BAH-BOM bound flights. The modern day A 321-200 version can easily fly 5 hour flights with a full payload.

A 319s - ideal aircraft to use to open up new destinations such as TAS/ALA/GYD and East Africa. It should be also used on low density flights within the GCC region.

**Replace 9 A 343s with 7 A 333s + 2 A 332s (2 class configuration for the A 332 to be used for MNL exclusively).**

A 333s - an excellent aircraft from an operational economics stand point to replace all A 343 operated flights from BAH to JED/LON/FRA/CDG/BKK/KUL/LHE/ISB/DAC/KTM/RUH. For flights up to 8 hours of flying time, the A 333 is the best aircraft out there currently; even better than a B 777-200A! It can also be used to open up new long haul routes in the future as BAH-LOS.

**Replace 10 A 332s (6 owned + 4 leased) with 6 B 788s (2 class configuration J/Y) + 13 B 789s**.

The B 788s can be used as a direct one on one replacement for the A 332s as soon as they start getting delivered where as the B 789s can be used easily to fly long haul routes nonstop such as BAH-ORD daily (2 aircraft) + BAH-JFK daily (2 aircraft) + it can replace the A 332 on the BAH-MNL sector.

The B 789 in the long run can be used as a complete replacement for the A 333 fleet as well thus reducing GF's fleet to 2 aircraft type which will make life much easier for the carrier from all operational, scheduling and rostering stand points. The two aircraft types would be B 787s and A 320s. The A 333s can be sold off or converted into freighters once all the B 787s get delivered.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7833 times:

I wonder how much they are going for...Maybe Dougy should take a look.


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7592 times:

Surely EK would have an eye on these birds considering they did buy the other ex-SQ birds...

Unless they have plans to phase out the A343 fleet too...

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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13446 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7380 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
Unless they have plans to phase out the A343 fleet too...

In 2014 when the lease expires. They did not buy the ex-SQ birds, they leased them.

EK should not buy A343's. If anything new, A333's. But in this market, they will be challenged to fill their already ordered 77W's and A388's. I think they can do it, but now is not the time to buy A340's for EK.

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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4833 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 6210 times:

EK are definitely NOT interested in the GF birds.

The only airlines which I feel would want these 15 year old A 343s of GF are those based in Africa and Latin America.

I do not see any Arab, European and American carrier being interested in these planes. With regards to Asia, the only airline I feel that can make good use of them because it can fly nonstop on long haul routes + can be bought for a bargain price is AIR ASIA X who can reconfigure these planes to suit their needs for further enhancing their European, Middle Eastern and Austral-Asia expansion.


User currently offlineEcuadorianMD11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 6102 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6):

The only airlines which I feel would want these 15 year old A 343s of GF are those based in Africa and Latin America.

We´ll take them in Latin America.........send ´m down please!!

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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5668 times:

Although I love those A340s, they are way past their prime and its high time GF sent those birds packing.
With a bunch of A330s and 787s on order, GF's got their back covered.
Regionally, GF might look towards getting RJs for regional ops. Perhaps the new CEO will implement the new ideas he came up with during his tenure at RJ.
I can easily GF using RJs to DMM, DOH, Iran and could open up routes far too big for A320s. Places like RKT, AAN and even SHJ come to mind and would benefit greatly.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5534 times:
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Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6):
With regards to Asia, the only airline I feel that can make good use of them because it can fly nonstop on long haul routes + can be bought for a bargain price is AIR ASIA X who can reconfigure these planes to suit their needs for further enhancing their European, Middle Eastern and Austral-Asia expansion.

excellent point. So Gulf will soon be a twin fleet. Too bad. Will miss seeing them at LHR.

Are they being taken out of the schedule or still being used until sold?



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13446 posts, RR: 100
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5481 times:
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Quoting Directorguy (Reply 8):
Regionally, GF might look towards getting RJs for regional ops. Perhaps the new CEO will implement the new ideas he came up with during his tenure at RJ.

Nitpick (or maybe clarification): I do not see 50 seat RJ's being an economic fit, even in this environment. Not unless GF were to pick up E145's cheap. Or were you refering to the CRJ900/1000 or E-jets? Or even MRJ's?  hyper 

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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4729 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
I do not see 50 seat RJ's being an economic fit, even in this environment. Not unless GF were to pick up E145's cheap. Or were you refering to the CRJ900/1000 or E-jets? Or even MRJ's?

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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4840 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4575 times:
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US have a source for those A343s for those China flights now!

User currently offlineElmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4499 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
Nitpick (or maybe clarification): I do not see 50 seat RJ's being an economic fit, even in this environment. Not unless GF were to pick up E145's cheap. Or were you refering to the CRJ900/1000 or E-jets? Or even MRJ's?

He means Royal Jordanian Big grin

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Thread starter):
So what is going to replace the A340's, are the A330's due soon.

Yes, and eventually the 787. The A340 is too much aircraft, there aren't any routes in the network that cannot be comfortably flown with either an A330-200 or -300.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

Another re-org for GF in the pipeline, I see. Hopefully this one works well for them as they have stumbled on from year to year ever since their individual shareholders left to start their own respective airlines. Somehow, they have not managed to tap on the growing 6th freedom traffic via the ME like the way EK/QR/EY have.


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User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4213 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 8):
Regionally, GF might look towards getting RJs for regional ops. Perhaps the new CEO will implement the new ideas he came up with during his tenure at RJ.



Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 11):
All down to baggage, baggage, baggage , won't work in Mid East trunk routes. Kitchen sink , etc etc

That's exactly what I was thinking.



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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4125 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6):
The only airlines which I feel would want these 15 year old A 343s of GF are those based in Africa and Latin America.

Would US want these planes to start Intl. service for PHL-PEK & PHX-NRT?

So I assume after unloading these birds that GF will be an all twin fleet.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4833 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3869 times:



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 16):
Would US want these planes to start Intl. service for PHL-PEK & PHX-NRT?

The problem is the GF's A 343s are all 3 class versions which doesnt fit into US Airways's business model as its a J/Y airline only. Plus like I said earlier, these planes are 15 years old now which may not sound too attractive to US.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3817 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
In 2014 when the lease expires. They did not buy the ex-SQ birds, they leased them.

Cheers...

Yeah, I didn't think EK would consider, however correct me if I'm wrong when EK leased the A340 fleet they wish they grabbed the GF birds too...

But with the largest fleet of B777s and A380s coming on line over the next few years I doubt they would consider adding these old birds...

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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4840 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3645 times:
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Quoting Behramjee (Reply 17):
The problem is the GF's A 343s are all 3 class versions which doesnt fit into US Airways's business model as its a J/Y airline only. Plus like I said earlier, these planes are 15 years old now which may not sound too attractive to US.

they can sell those F seats just like they do the Envoy Sleeper seats in their A333s, as a Envoy with a surcharge. If they want to fly those routes before its taken away from them , they need something with more range than an A332. These would be appropriate till the A350s arrive.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3619 times:



Quoting Trex8 (Reply 12):
US have a source for those A343s for those China flights now!

Good one! If an airline like PY can find an a343, why can't US? If they still want to fly this route, this seems like a good opportunity, as GF seems eager to get rid of them. Possibility for a good price for US.

As mentioned, Air Asia X sounds like a good candidate as well.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 17):
Plus like I said earlier, these planes are 15 years old now which may not sound too attractive to US.

IIRC their 762's are the same age, if not older. The a343's would be fine as an interim solution until the a350's arrive.

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 19):
they can sell those F seats just like they do the Envoy Sleeper seats in their A333s,

Or they can take them out, put in their own seats to keep in line with the rest of their fleet.



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1568 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

Perhaps Iran Air might snap them up to replace some of their older widebodies...unless that would result in sanctions for GF?


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