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Qantas 747-400 Makes Emergency Landing In Perth  
User currently offlineSlats From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 31 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16317 times:

http://www.frequentflyer.com.au/comm...rgency-landing-in-perth-19211.html



Qantas flight QF32, a Boeing 747-400 operating Singapore to Sydney, was diverted to Perth. Fuel was detected leaking from the aircraft’s number four engine – outboard on the left side.

The aircraft, carrying 290 passengers, landed safely at 3.20pm. The airport's emergency service crew were on standby.

Apparently the captain shutdown the number four engine as a precautionary measure.

Perth engineers will attempt to fix the problem however, if the issue is not fixed by 5pm the aircraft will be grounded due to the Sydney curfew that operates from 11pm EST.

If the plane is grounded the crew will also be out of hours, complicating the issue further for Qantas, passengers would then be required to stay overnight in Perth.

The eighteen-year-old plane is due to be retired in November.


slats
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User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 747 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16240 times:

Now due at SYD at 2215 this evening. Probably best described as a Precautionary landing instead of an Emergency landing.
The number four engine is on the right hand side. (They number them left to right)


User currently offlineSlats From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16187 times:

VH-OJK

The same aircraft that had the mid-air incident when an oxygen tank exploded and ripped a hole in the plane’s fuselage last year.



slats
User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 747 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15976 times:

Arrival time SYD now slipped to 2320 (20 min after curfew). This should be interesting.

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15949 times:

How can Perth possibly be on the route SIN-SYD?? Why not divert to BNE or Darwin?


Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6405 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15936 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
How can Perth possibly be on the route SIN-SYD?? Why not divert to BNE or Darwin?

Well BNE certainly isn't. DRW may not have the same MX facilities as PER does.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2915 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15831 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
Well BNE certainly isn't. DRW may not have the same MX facilities as PER does.

Plus PER has a schedule full of widebody transcon flights so it'll be easier to sub a 744 or a A330 on tomorrow to give some extra lift if the plane can't be fixed overnight.


User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 747 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15744 times:

QF32 departed PER at 1811 WST, so if it can do the 1770nm in 2hr 40min it will get in ok.

User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7556 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15459 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
How can Perth possibly be on the route SIN-SYD?? Why not divert to BNE or Darwin?

Well BNE certainly isn't. DRW may not have the same MX facilities as PER does.

A Great Circle route crosses about 600 nm southwest of DRW and 800 nm northeast of PER. In that 1,400 nm there is a whole lot of nothing to support such a large aircraft. Going into PER adds less than 400nm to the entire trip.

In addition to lack of maintenance capability at DRW as mentioned above, PER has many more alternate flights should the pax have to be booked on other aircraft.


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15385 times:



Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 7):
QF32 departed PER at 1811 WST, so if it can do the 1770nm in 2hr 40min it will get in ok

Scheduled for arrival at 1116pm local sydney time (so perhaps it has approval to arrive after curfew) or are QF risking any fine it gets issued by arriving at this time. Didn't QF or was it's JQ subsidiary already last year or something cop a $200K fine for departing after the curfew had started for some incidient.


User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15376 times:

Qantas.com still says ETA of 23:25. If the a/c can't make it by then, will they go to MEL or will SYD stay open a little later to accomodate?


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User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 747 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15346 times:



Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 10):
or will SYD stay open a little later to accomodate?

QF will need ministerial approval to land after 2300 Local. The airport does not actually close, as there are approved freight flights all night.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15082 times:



Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 11):
QF will need ministerial approval to land after 2300 Local. The airport does not actually close, as there are approved freight flights all night.

Aircraft received clearance to land at SYD...

I am not surprised this hit the news headlines once again... Shooting QF for carrying a mid-flight engine shut down, precaution diversion to PER... WOW...

The aircraft VH-OJK was scheduled to operate the QF001, with the aircraft diversion it threw a spanner in the works...

VH-OEE operated as a sub...

EK413



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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13979 times:



Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
I am not surprised this hit the news headlines once again... Shooting QF for carrying a mid-flight engine shut down, precaution diversion to PER... WOW...

Who's shooting whom where and over what ?!?! You're imagining things that are just not happening.


The follow-up article simply states:

Engineers in Perth quickly identified the problem, believed to relate to a seal and repaired the faulty part.

After engine run-up tests, passengers were reboarded and the aircraft departed for Sydney at 6.06pm.


The article also correctly states the location of the #4 engine on the RHS - someone must've pointe dout their original mistake to them.


User currently offlineJokestar From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10225 times:



Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
The aircraft VH-OJK was scheduled to operate the QF001, with the aircraft diversion it threw a spanner in the works...

VH-OEE operated as a sub...

That can't be right, QF 1 leaves Sydney at 5pm AEST and QF 32 was originally scheduled to arrive in Sydney at 7:05pm AEST.....


User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 747 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10045 times:



Quoting Jokestar (Reply 14):
That can't be right, QF 1 leaves Sydney at 5pm AEST and QF 32 was originally scheduled to arrive in Sydney at 7:05pm AEST....

Some days QF1 is rescheduled to depart at 2105. Like yesterday and tomorrow.
PS. I suspect EK413 is a lot older than his profile, and probably works in an airline operations centre, as he has a lot of inside knowledge)


User currently offlineArgonaut From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9898 times:



Quoting Slats (Thread starter):
The eighteen-year-old plane is due to be retired in November.

Slightly O/T, but I wasn't aware any QF 744s were facing retirement as soon as that. (Yes, I might have missed something...it wouldn't be the first time!) Could anyone enlighten me?

Otherwise, this sounds like a pretty routine precautionary diversion.

rj



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User currently offlineAustralis From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7262 times:

Well, just watching the news now and its like the most important news on first, saying that its down to Qantas moving maintenance overseas and the same aircraft as the one that diverted to Manila due to the oxygen tank exploded mid-air...

Honestly, Qantas atm are damned it they do, or damned if they dont.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7141 times:

I don't think they have plans to retire any B 747-400s for now including this one.

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7122 times:

Maintenance overseas.. OJK exploded over MNL. Whatever.

It has been repaired, now simply a diversion due to a fuel leak on #4 engine. Huge deal? I guess for Aussie media. Pathetic. Where is OJH? Some of you at SYD should call the media to let them know the "Bangkok buster" has not crashed yet, might as well make headline news. Big grin



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User currently offlineVhqpa From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6865 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 18):
I don't think they have plans to retire any B 747-400s for now including this one.

Yes they do.

I've seen QF advertise 4 744's and 4 763's the other day in the Aus Av Thread


Vhq.



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User currently offlineOldtimer From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6785 times:



Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 1):
The number four engine is on the right hand side. (They number them left to right)

If you read it again, as I had to , I think the original op was stating the leak was on the left side of the number 4 engine, and so visible to pax and crew.



Oldtimer, I should have known better!
User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 747 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6656 times:



Quoting Oldtimer (Reply 21):
If you read it again, as I had to , I think the original op was stating the leak was on the left side of the number 4 engine, and so visible to pax and crew

If that was the intention, it was not conveyed. The way it was written "outboard on the left side" was referring to the engine, not the leak. It has been a very long time since I had to parse sentences  Smile, but I agree, that may have been what was intended. However, in a later version of the article, it was changed to the right side of the aircraft.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2084 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6531 times:

What a fuzz about this incident. With aircraft that are 40% of their live in the air, sometimes things like this happen in aviation.
As stated it's not an emergency landing,but a precautionary landing.
On a twin engined airplane however this would have been an emergency, when shutting down one engine.



Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6472 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 13):
Who's shooting whom where and over what ?!?! You're imagining things that are just not happening.

Ummm, have you been hiding under a rock...?
Any incident involving one the world's safest carriers always attracts the media and they are always ready to go over board... You may not agree but others will...

Quoting Jokestar (Reply 14):
That can't be right, QF 1 leaves Sydney at 5pm AEST and QF 32 was originally scheduled to arrive in Sydney at 7:05pm AEST.....

QF001 some days is rescheduled to depart at 2105 due to aircraft rotation utilizing the QF032 / QF018 arrival for example...

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 15):
PS. I suspect EK413 is a lot older than his profile, and probably works in an airline operations centre, as he has a lot of inside knowledge)

Huh...?

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 15):
Some days QF1 is rescheduled to depart at 2105. Like yesterday and tomorrow.

Correct  Wink

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 19):
Maintenance overseas.. OJK exploded over MNL. Whatever.

It has been repaired, now simply a diversion due to a fuel leak on #4 engine. Huge deal? I guess for Aussie media. Pathetic. Where is OJH? Some of you at SYD should call the media to let them know the "Bangkok buster" has not crashed yet, might as well make headline news.

I'm glad some of us have a sense of humor...

EK413



Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!
25 777STL : QF has been trying to sell(sold?) a few of them for a while now. A worldwide downturn in traffic plus four new 380s equals decreased utilization of t
26 Lufthansa747 : I left out a major detail... I flew on OJK a few months before "MNL" on SYD-JNB. My traytable was simply broken, the plates in F simply tried to fall
27 Boeing747_600 : Lets talk about the reportage of this incident. Can you point out a single instance wherein the incident was blown out of proportion and made to soun
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