Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8600 times:
Quote: Airbus's Premium Aerotec division has taken delivery of a new autoclave it will use in manufacture of forward fuselage sections for the A350 XWB. The autoclave, priced at €6 million ($8.6 million), is 27m (89ft) long and 8m high, and will be installed in a new A350-dedicated production hall at Premium Aerotec's plant in Nordenham, Germany.
In addition, Airbus has recently introduced the fourth sea-going vessel for the module-transport between the various plant. As of today four vessels ply between Germany (Hamburg, Nordneham, Stade), the UK, France and Spain to shuffle parts for the Airbus production. Three large vessels, one smaller coastal vessel (MV "Kugelbake") for shipments between Nordenham, Stade and Hamburg.
KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8168 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7): No, the A350 FAL will be at TLS. As per the article, this "oven" is for forward fuselage sections that will be manufactured in Germany.
Frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1197 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7976 times:
Quoting Astuteman (Reply 9): It's a tiddler though, isn't it?
The A380's autoclaves are 43m long...
Question from someone very much totally unfamiliar with this kind of manufacturing: why doesn't Airbus use the A380 autoclave for the A350 as well? How long will it take to cure the components for one A380 and one A350 for example? Can't imagine it will take more than one day for one section of an airframe, but, as said, I'm not at all familiar with these processes.
Astuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9138 posts, RR: 96 Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7932 times:
Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 10): Airbus use the A380 autoclave for the A350 as well?
The A350's fuselage autoclave is 8m in diameter.
The A380's wing panel autoclaves are only 6m diameter (but 43m long....).
And they're in North Wales, in the middle of the A380 wing assembly line, not in Germany.
They're used to creep-form the huge aluminium skin panels for the A380's wings into that beautiful complex curved shape. It takes 24 hurs per panel, and there are 10 on each wing.
So
a) size and shape
b) location
c) they already have a day job..
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 3594 posts, RR: 36 Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7102 times:
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 14): Good to hear the oven arrived. Can't wait for the bread to come out, still will be some time.
I can not wait either, but I sure hope that I do not have to eat the bread this "oven" is baking. But it is another good sign for the A350-XWB development.
WingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2025 posts, RR: 56 Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6847 times:
An 8-meter diameter steel fuselage?!? That thing will never fly!
Trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3970 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4151 times:
Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 15): That's quite early. Maybe they could rent it to Boeing for 787 production until its needed for 350 Silly
well the Augsburg EADS unit is making the rear pressure bulkhead for the 787!
Dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 767 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4115 times:
Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 1): Sorry to be so stupid, but what the hell is it?
A pressurised oven. Pre-preg composite parts are cured at around 180 degrees C under a high-ish pressure - around 5 atmospheres if I recall correctly, less pressure for structure with core.
Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 15): Maybe they could rent it to Boeing for 787 production until its needed for 350
Well, Boeing fabrication division still makes parts for Airbus, so why not?
ArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3362 posts, RR: 16 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
How hot do they get?
Check your bags, check your brain.
25 Tdscanuck: Depends on the composite. 250 degF is normal for wet layup, 350 degF for prepreg. Tom.
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But it is another good sign for the A350-XWB development.
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