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First A350 Autoclav Has Arrived  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9239 times:



Quote:
Airbus's Premium Aerotec division has taken delivery of a new autoclave it will use in manufacture of forward fuselage sections for the A350 XWB. The autoclave, priced at €6 million ($8.6 million), is 27m (89ft) long and 8m high, and will be installed in a new A350-dedicated production hall at Premium Aerotec's plant in Nordenham, Germany.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-up-ahead-of-a350-production.html

In addition, Airbus has recently introduced the fourth sea-going vessel for the module-transport between the various plant. As of today four vessels ply between Germany (Hamburg, Nordneham, Stade), the UK, France and Spain to shuffle parts for the Airbus production. Three large vessels, one smaller coastal vessel (MV "Kugelbake") for shipments between Nordenham, Stade and Hamburg.


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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9216 times:

Sorry to be so stupid, but what the hell is it?




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User currently offlineEcuadorianMD11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9204 times:

Great news..........will the A350 take off before the 787???

Ecuadorian MD11.


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9172 times:



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 1):
Sorry to be so stupid, but what the hell is it?

A composite bakery.


User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9112 times:



Quoting EcuadorianMD11 (Reply 2):
Great news..........will the A350 take off before the 787???

Oh!!! Controversial!  duck 


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9087 times:



Quoting EcuadorianMD11 (Reply 2):
Great news..........will the A350 take off before the 787???

No it won't. I'm sure Boeing will have ironed out the issues by then.

But very nice to see that the a350 production process is starting to come together. Exciting times ahead!



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8996 times:

So it will be assembled in Germany only?

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12804 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8834 times:
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Quoting KL911 (Reply 6):
So it will be assembled in Germany only?

No, the A350 FAL will be at TLS. As per the article, this "oven" is for forward fuselage sections that will be manufactured in Germany.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8807 times:



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
No, the A350 FAL will be at TLS. As per the article, this "oven" is for forward fuselage sections that will be manufactured in Germany.

Thanks, I misread this part:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
will be installed in a new A350-dedicated production hall



User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10183 posts, RR: 97
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8691 times:
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Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
The autoclave, priced at %u20AC6 million ($8.6 million), is 27m (89ft) long and 8m high

Great news.
It's a tiddler though, isn't it?
The A380's autoclaves are 43m long...  Smile

Rgds


User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8615 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 9):
It's a tiddler though, isn't it?
The A380's autoclaves are 43m long...

 eyepopping 

Question from someone very much totally unfamiliar with this kind of manufacturing: why doesn't Airbus use the A380 autoclave for the A350 as well? How long will it take to cure the components for one A380 and one A350 for example? Can't imagine it will take more than one day for one section of an airframe, but, as said, I'm not at all familiar with these processes.



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10183 posts, RR: 97
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8571 times:
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Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 10):
Airbus use the A380 autoclave for the A350 as well?

The A350's fuselage autoclave is 8m in diameter.
The A380's wing panel autoclaves are only 6m diameter (but 43m long....).
And they're in North Wales, in the middle of the A380 wing assembly line, not in Germany.

They're used to creep-form the huge aluminium skin panels for the A380's wings into that beautiful complex curved shape. It takes 24 hurs per panel, and there are 10 on each wing.

So
a) size and shape
b) location
c) they already have a day job..

Rgds


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8535 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 11):
c) they already have a day job..

?And a 24x10 week. Gotta watch the Welsh now they are increasing the length of the week.  Wow!


User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8399 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 11):

Thank you for your kind explanation  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8341 times:

Good to hear the oven arrived. Can't wait for the bread to come out, still will be some time.

User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 731 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7930 times:



Quote:
The first cure cycle is scheduled for the turn of the year, and the autoclave should be fully available for production from the spring of 2010.

That's quite early. Maybe they could rent it to Boeing for 787 production until its needed for 350  Silly


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4864 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7741 times:
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Quoting Burkhard (Reply 14):
Good to hear the oven arrived. Can't wait for the bread to come out, still will be some time.

I can not wait either, but I sure hope that I do not have to eat the bread this "oven" is baking.  Wink But it is another good sign for the A350-XWB development.


User currently offlineAndhen From Norway, joined Dec 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7674 times:



Quoting Racko (Reply 3):
A composite bakery.



Quoting EPA001 (Reply 16):
I sure hope that I do not have to eat the bread this "oven" is baking.

I don't hope the cockies come out as crusty as the american ones.. Smile



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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2243 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7486 times:

An 8-meter diameter steel fuselage?!? That thing will never fly!  duck   Big grin

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6976 times:



Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 18):



Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 18):
An 8-meter diameter steel fuselage?!? That thing will never fly!

Steel? Nah, in Europe we use something more modern....  Smile


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1901 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5323 times:



Quoting Racko (Reply 3):
A composite bakery.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4790 times:
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Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 15):
That's quite early. Maybe they could rent it to Boeing for 787 production until its needed for 350 Silly

well the Augsburg EADS unit is making the rear pressure bulkhead for the 787!


User currently offlineDynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 883 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4754 times:



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 1):
Sorry to be so stupid, but what the hell is it?

A pressurised oven. Pre-preg composite parts are cured at around 180 degrees C under a high-ish pressure - around 5 atmospheres if I recall correctly, less pressure for structure with core.

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 15):
Maybe they could rent it to Boeing for 787 production until its needed for 350

Well, Boeing fabrication division still makes parts for Airbus, so why not?


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4256 times:



Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 18):
An 8-meter diameter steel fuselage?!? That thing will never fly!

Oh goodie, WM is even now preparing his bar charts on the saga of the A350. Wonder if I will have to buy a bigger screen!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3638 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

How hot do they get?

25 Tdscanuck : Depends on the composite. 250 degF is normal for wet layup, 350 degF for prepreg. Tom.
26 Astuteman : And vice-versa, of course.. Rgds
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