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State Owned Airlines.  
User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

I was wondering which is the largest state owned airline in terms or fleet and profit? Isn't CA the largest in terms of fleet and SQ the largest in terms of profit.

Other state owned carriers? AI, AF, EK, EI, LO, NZ, QF, SU, TK, QR, EY, & GF.


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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6767 times:

OK still is, and OS was until recently. OK is in quite a loss though.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6719 times:



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
Other state owned carriers? AI, AF, EK, EI, LO, NZ, QF, SU, TK, QR, EY, & GF.

The French government only has a relatively small (around 18% I believe) ownership share in AF-KL.

QF has been 100% privatized since 1997.

I believe SU and TK are only partly-state owned, but government bodies are still majority owners as far as I know.


User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6674 times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_carrier

Hope this helps  Smile



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

In the Américas: JM, KY, CU, Satena Colombia, Conviasa Venezuela and TAME Ecuador are state-owned.


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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6514 times:



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
Other state owned carriers? AI, AF, EK, EI, LO, NZ, QF, SU, TK, QR, EY, & GF.

QR is not fully state-owned--just over half of it acording to official QR documents, but I think the official ownership is that the govnerment does not own it.



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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6477 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
QF has been 100% privatized since 1997.

Oops... Thanks for the info.

Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 3):

Interesting but I'm still looking for my (2) questions to be answered.



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User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

Even if AY is traded openly in the stock market, the state of Finland owns more than half of the company and currently the government is not planning to sell.

[Edited 2009-09-02 22:46:21]

User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9736 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

State owned does no mean state owned all the times. A companie's shares can be owned 100% by the state however the company is completely run as a corporation, with an independent supervisory board, a management etc. and the mandatory need to turn out profits. That's the usual way to do it in a democracy.

EK may be state owned but is completelya run as a private enterprise corporation, The saga is that they received a certain start up capital and ever since turned out profits and dividends to the state.

In some countries, airlines are run as a national pride without proper accounting, totally without cost control and a means of employment to relatives of high ranking government officials.

That's really state owned then,



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6384 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
EK may be state owned

In the UAE its a little different. Emirates is owned by the ruling family of DXB, and not by UAE. Only EY claims themselves to be the 'National' carrier. EK does not.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3510 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6351 times:

SAS is 50.1% owned by the governments of Norway, Sweden and Denmark. However, all governments have signalled that they shares are up for sale

User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

So by looking at some of these carriers I assume they still are publicly traded even when state owned being that the government owns the majority of the shares still.

I wonder why the United States has never owned their own airline.  Confused



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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6301 times:



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 11):
I wonder why the United States has never owned their own airline.

I don't think the US government has ever considered that one of their duties  Smile



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User currently offlineNZ193 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2009, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6233 times:

Air New Zealand is a state owned airline. I think it was a good 10+ years ago, ANZ was going bankrupt and the NZ government bailed them out with a package of $NZ800million. ANZ has paid back some of the debt but still owns a lot but for a little country and airline, I think they do very well for an airline in the big markets. ANZ has shares also available for sale on the NZ stock exchange thanks to the government intervention. That's correct to my knowledge. Just thought I would add that to the forum.  Smile

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6228 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
State owned does no mean state owned all the times. A companie's shares can be owned 100% by the state however the company is completely run as a corporation, with an independent supervisory board, a management etc. and the mandatory need to turn out profits. That's the usual way to do it in a democracy.

Very true, a distinction needs to be made between government-owned airlines and airline corporations where the shares are wholly or majority owned by the government. There is a big difference.



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User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1117 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6184 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 14):
government-owned airlines and airline corporations where the shares are wholly or majority owned by the government. There is a big difference.

Er I think the distinction is actually between government-owned and government-controlled airlines. A government owning 51% of an airline can choose to exercise more control and accord more direct assistance than another government owning 81% of its airline.



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User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

i believe the likes of MK and TN would be included... someone feel free to correct me  Smile


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User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6037 times:



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
AI, AF, EK, EI, LO, NZ, QF, SU, TK, QR, EY, & GF.

The Irish gov only has a 25% stake in EI now, so it can't be classified as a state owned carrier.


User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

I am not sure if a similar situation exists anywhere else on earth but...

the Government of Cyprus owns two airlines: 70% of CY and 100% of ECA.

CY have a fleet of 11 Airbuses (319, 320 and 330) and ECA 6 new B738s.



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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

Currently FI (Icelandair) is state-owned 100%. It's not that big, but there you go.

asturias



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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5933 times:



Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 5):

As per the information found on qatarairways.com the ownership structure is:
50% Government of Qatar
50% Private Shareholders.



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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5912 times:



Quoting CYatUK (Reply 18):
I am not sure if a similar situation exists anywhere else on earth but...

the Government of Cyprus owns two airlines: 70% of CY and 100% of ECA.

CY have a fleet of 11 Airbuses (319, 320 and 330) and ECA 6 new B738s.

Rossiya is state owned and Aeroflot is partly owned by the Russian Government too.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5893 times:

What about CU? I could only imagine they are state owned as well.


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User currently offlineNormie999 From United Kingdom, joined May 2009, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5868 times:



Quoting Asturias (Reply 19):
Currently FI (Icelandair) is state-owned 100%. It's not that big, but there you go.

asturias

What is the source of this information? Icelandair was always in private hands, and I had gathered remained so despite the turmoil in the Icelandic economy.

Air New Zealand has a majority state ownership, and will be paying a dividend this month.

Ethiopian is100% state-owned and has apparently just doubled its profits.


User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5831 times:



Quoting Bwest (Reply 12):
I don't think the US government has ever considered that one of their duties

Would be interesting to see how they would run it though, who they would buy from, etc etc



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25 Dirkou : TAP Portugal is 100% state owned and always had terrible financial results (286 million EUR loss last year).
26 Boeingfever777 : Why is this? I thought they were a profitable airline? I have flown 4 times and got excellent service each time twice domestic and twice Intl.
27 Post contains links Asturias : Well Icelandair wasn't always in private hands, but it was privatized in the 90s. As the situation is today, Landsbanki, Islandsbanki and Sparisjodsb
28 Dirkou : "Why is this? I thought they were a profitable airline? I have flown 4 times and got excellent service each time twice domestic and twice Intl." Since
29 AA1818 : BW, Caribbean Airlines (Trinidad and Tobago); BWIA's successor is 100% state-owned, but the Government has tried to run it like a regular private com
30 Loran : Atlant Soyuz's slogan is 'Airline of the Moscow Government' which kind of implies it is state owned. Also AFAIK Iran Air is state owned.
31 Post contains images Rleiro : Conviasa and Aeropostal in Venezuela are state-owned airlines: Conviasa was intended to be the replacement of VIASA, altough its international expansi
32 RoyalAirMaroc : I guess AT is also State owned with AF also having a small share. AT owns Atlas Blue.
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