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OAG Changes 9/4/09:AA/B6/DL/FL/MX/NW/UA/WN  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7170 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9604 times:

As usual these compare against what was selling last week and not last year.

How to read:
ATL-TRI 8>7 NOV Means that the market was reduced by one roundtrip 8 to 7 for November.
ATL-TRI 9>8 DEC- Means the market was cut by 1 roundtrip from 9 to 8 for December onward.

Plz excuse any typos it is a lot to type!

6A
LAS-MTY CXLD 1>0 OCT-

AA
JFK-LHR 5>4 NOV-MAR

B6
BOS-SFO 1>2 JAN-
JFK-SFO 1>2 JAN-
LGB-OAK 3>4 JAN-
LGB-SFO 3>5 JAN-

DL
BDL-TPA XFER 0>1 NOV- (FROM NW)
IND-LGA XFER 0>3 (FROM NW)
DCA-IND 4>3 NOV-
JFK-AMS CXLD 1>0 NOV-MAR

FL
ATL-IAD 4>3 NOV-
BOS-BWI 9>8 NOV- (!!! B6/WN)

MX
JFK-MTY NEW 0>1 NOV-

NW
BDL-PBI XFER 1>0 NOV- (PROBABLY GOES BACK TO DL)
DTW-RIC 3>4 NOV-
MSP-YQT 2>1 NOV-

TA
IAH-BZE CXLD 1>0 NOV-
IAH-SAL NEW 0>1 NOV-

UA
DEN-CMH 3>2 DEC-
DEN-OMA 6>5 DEC-
DEN-XNA 3>2 DEC-
ORD-MSN 7>8 DEC-
ORD-OKC 3>3 DEC-
ORD-SLC 3>4 DEC-
ORD-SYR 5>6 DEC-

VX
LAX-SEA DAY OF WEEK CANCELS JAN/FEB
SFO-SEA DAY OF WEEK CANCELS JAN/FEB

WN
These are all based upon the February10 schedule VS. December09. I did that because the schedule previously being displayed for Feb. was missing about 10% of total operations (???) and Dec is a better comparison. These are the average trips over the month so they are fractional because of non-daily service.

ABQ-DAL 7.5>7.3
ABQ-DEN 2.8>2.8
ABQ-LAX 3.8>3.8
ABQ-MCI 1.7>1.0
ABQ-OAK 2.7>1.9
ABQ-PHX 8.1>8.1
ALB-MCO 3.0>3.0
AMA-DAL 6.3>6.4
AUS-DAL 10.5>10.8
AUS-ELP 3.5>3.5
AUS-HOU 5.3>5.3
AUS-LAS 2.9>3.0
AUS-LAX 1.9>1.0
AUS-PHX 3.6>3.6
BDL-BWI 7.4>6.7
BDL-MCO 2.9>3.0
BDL-MDW 2.8>1.8
BHM-BNA 1.9>2.0
BHM-BWI 2.8>2.7
BHM-MCO 2.0>2.0
BNA-BHM 1.9>2.0
BNA-HOU 3.8>3.7
BNA-JAX 2.8>2.7
BNA-MCO 4.0>4.8
BNA-MDW 6.5>6.3
BNA-MSY 2.8>2.8
BNA-PHX 2.0>2.7
BOI-PDX 1.8>1.9
BOS-BWI 4.8>4.8
BOS-MDW 4.8>4.8
BOS-STL NEW 0.0>2.0
BUF-FLL 1.0>1.1
BUF-LAS 1.0>1.5
BUF-MCO 2.1>2.6
BUR-OAK 13.0>13.0
BUR-PHX 7.5>7.5
BUR-SJC 8.2>9.1
BUR-SMF 8.1>9.0
BWI-BDL 7.4>6.7
BWI-BNA 6.6>6.4
BWI-BOS 4.8>4.8
BWI-CLE 3.5>3.8
BWI-DTW 3.5>2.9
BWI-FLL 3.9>4.0
BWI-HOU 2.8>2.9
BWI-ISP 5.6>5.2
BWI-JAX 2.8>3.0
BWI-LAS 2.0>2.9
BWI-MCI 2.7>1.8
BWI-MCO 6.8>6.8
BWI-MHT 8.4>7.3
BWI-MKE 3.0>2.8
BWI-ORF 3.6>3.6
BWI-PBI 2.0>3.0
BWI-PIT 2.7>2.9
BWI-PVD 8.4>8.5
BWI-RDU 5.6>5.5
BWI-RSW 1.2>2.0
BWI-SAN 2.0>1.9
BWI-SDF 2.8>2.7
BWI-STL 4.5>3.6
BWI-TPA 4.8>5.8
CLE-BWI 3.5>3.7
CLE-STL 1.7>1.0
DAL-ABQ 7.5>7.4
DAL-AMA 6.3>6.3
DAL-AUS 10.5>10.5
DAL-BHM 2.8>2.8
DAL-ELP 6.4>6.7
DAL-HOU 23.6>24.8
DAL-LBB 6.3>6.4
DAL-LIT 6.1>6.3
DAL-MAF 5.2>5.3
DAL-MCI 7.2>7.2
DAL-MSY 5.6>5.8
DAL-OKC 4.4>4.5
DAL-SAT 12.4>12.6
DAL-TUL 5.5>5.5
DEN-AMA 2.0>2.0
DEN-HOU 2.8>2.9
DEN-IND 2.0>2.0
DEN-LAX 5.5>5.5
DEN-MCI 4.6>4.7
DEN-MCO 2.8>2.9
DEN-MDW 8.3>8.4
DEN-MSP 3.0>3.0
DEN-OAK 2.9>2.9
DEN-OMA 2.8>2.9
DEN-PHL 2.6>2.8
DEN-PHX 7.4>7.4
DEN-SAN 4.5>4.6
DEN-SLC 5.6>5.7
DEN-SMF 2.0>1.9
DEN-STL 2.8>2.7
DTW-BWI 3.5>2.8
DTW-MDW 6.2>5.5
DTW-STL 2.6>1.9
ELP-AUS 3.5>3.5
ELP-DAL 6.3>6.6
ELP-LAS 3.0>3.0
ELP-LAX 2.8>2.9
ELP-PHX 5.5>5.5
ELP-SAT 2.8>2.8
FLL-BUF 1.0>1.1
FLL-BWI 3.9>4.0
FLL-ISP 3.0>3.0
FLL-JAX 4.5>4.8
FLL-MCO 4.7>4.9
FLL-PHL 2.9>3.0
FLL-PVD 1.2>2.1
FLL-TPA 7.4>7.4
GEG-LAS 1.9>2.0
HOU-ABQ 2.8>2.8
HOU-AUS 5.3>5.3
HOU-BNA 3.8>3.8
HOU-BWI 2.8>2.8
HOU-DAL 23.6>24.8
HOU-DEN 2.8>3.0
HOU-FLL 2.0>2.0
HOU-HRL 7.1>7.7
HOU-JAN 3.0>2.8
HOU-LAS 3.8>3.9
HOU-LAX 3.8>3.7
HOU-MCO 3.9>3.7
HOU-MDW 5.5>5.5
HOU-MSY 9.2>9.1
HOU-OKC 3.6>3.6
HOU-PHL 1.8>1.8
HOU-PHX 3.8>3.6
HOU-SAN 1.8>1.9
HOU-SAT 5.5>5.3
HOU-STL 3.5>3.5
HOU-TPA 3.7>3.7
HOU-TUL 3.6>3.5
HRL-HOU 7.1>7.6
HRL-SAT 1.6>1.8
IAD-MCO 1.9>1.9
IAD-MDW 5.4>5.3
IND-PHX 1.0>1.9
ISP-BWI 5.6>5.2
ISP-FLL 3.0>3.0
ISP-MCO 5.0>4.0
ISP-PBI 3.0>3.1
ISP-TPA 2.0>2.6
JAN-HOU 3.0>2.8
JAX-BWI 2.8>3.0
JAX-FLL 4.5>4.7
JAX-TPA 2.6>2.7
LAS-AUS 2.9>3.0
LAS-BUF 1.0>1.5
LAS-BUR 11.4>11.5
LAS-BWI 2.0>2.9
LAS-DEN 8.2>7.5
LAS-ELP 3.0>3.0
LAS-HOU 3.8>3.9
LAS-IND 2.0>2.0
LAS-LAX 12.0>11.3
LAS-MCI 3.8>3.8
LAS-MDW 7.9>7.7
LAS-MKE 2.0>2.0
LAS-MSY 2.0>2.0
LAS-OAK 9.6>8.8
LAS-ONT 7.6>7.7
LAS-PHX 13.6>14.1
LAS-RNO 10.2>10.3
LAS-SAN 11.4>11.6
LAS-SAT 3.8>3.8
LAS-SFO 6.6>6.7
LAS-SJC 8.5>8.5
LAS-SLC 5.8>6.4
LAS-SMF 7.6>7.6
LAS-SNA 5.7>5.8
LAS-STL 3.7>3.0
LAS-TUS 4.8>4.7
LAX-ABQ 3.8>3.7
LAX-AUS 1.9>1.0
LAX-DEN 5.5>5.6
LAX-ELP 2.8>2.9
LAX-HOU 3.8>3.7
LAX-LAS 12.0>11.4
LAX-MCI 2.8>1.9
LAX-OAK 14.8>14.8
LAX-PHX 10.2>11.0
LAX-RNO 2.8>2.9
LAX-SFO 10.9>10.3
LAX-SJC 10.0>10.1
LAX-SLC 2.8>2.9
LAX-SMF 8.2>8.4
LAX-TUS 4.7>4.9
LBB-DAL 6.4>6.4
LGA-MDW 4.8>4.9
LIT-DAL 6.1>6.3
MAF-DAL 5.2>5.3
MCI-BWI 2.7>1.9
MCI-DAL 7.2>7.2
MCI-DEN 4.7>4.6
MCI-LAS 3.8>3.8
MCI-LAX 2.8>1.9
MCI-MCO 2.2>3.0
MCI-MDW 9.1>9.1
MCI-MKE 2.8>2.9
MCI-PHX 2.0>2.8
MCI-SEA CXLD 1.0>0.0
MCI-STL 4.3>4.3
MCI-TPA 1.8>1.9
MCO-ALB 3.0>3.0
MCO-BDL 2.9>3.0
MCO-BNA 4.0>4.7
MCO-BUF 2.1>2.6
MCO-BWI 6.8>6.9
MCO-FLL 4.7>4.9
MCO-HOU 3.9>3.8
MCO-IAD 1.9>1.9
MCO-MCI 2.1>3.0
MCO-MDW 6.1>5.9
MCO-PHL 5.2>5.6
MCO-PVD 4.1>5.0
MCO-RDU 3.0>3.0
MCO-RSW 3.8>3.9
MDW-BDL 2.8>1.8
MDW-BNA 6.5>6.3
MDW-BOS 4.8>4.8
MDW-DEN 8.4>8.5
MDW-HOU 5.5>5.5
MDW-IAD 5.4>5.3
MDW-ISP 3.7>2.9
MDW-JAN 1.8>1.0
MDW-LAS 8.0>7.7
MDW-LGA 4.8>4.9
MDW-MCI 9.3>9.1
MDW-MCO 6.0>6.0
MDW-MHT 2.9>2.8
MDW-MSP 7.5>7.6
MDW-OAK 3.0>1.9
MDW-PHL 6.2>6.1
MDW-PHX 6.6>6.4
MDW-PIT 5.5>3.8
MDW-PVD 2.9>2.7
MDW-SAN 3.8>2.9
MDW-STL 9.0>9.0
MDW-TPA 4.0>4.1
MDW-TUS 1.0>1.8
MHT-BWI 8.3>7.4
MHT-MDW 3.0>2.7
MHT-PHL 4.5>4.4
MKE-BWI 3.0>2.8
MKE-LAS 2.0>2.0
MKE-MCI 2.8>2.9
MSP-MDW 7.4>7.6
MSP-STL NEW 0.0>2.0
MSY-BNA 2.8>2.8
MSY-DAL 5.6>5.8
MSY-HOU 9.2>9.3
MSY-MCO 4.0>3.9
MSY-TPA 3.0>2.9
OAK-ABQ 2.7>1.9
OAK-BUR 13.0>12.9
OAK-DEN 2.9>3.0
OAK-GEG 2.0>1.9
OAK-LAS 9.6>8.7
OAK-LAX 14.9>14.9
OAK-MDW 3.0>1.9
OAK-ONT 9.0>9.1
OAK-PDX 5.4>5.3
OAK-PHX 5.6>5.7
OAK-RNO 2.8>2.8
OAK-SAN 11.6>12.4
OAK-SLC 2.8>3.7
OAK-SNA 7.5>7.6
OKC-DAL 4.4>4.5
OKC-HOU 3.6>3.6
OMA-DEN 2.8>2.9


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9368 times:

wow. only 4 a day for AA on JFK-LHR. Is that about the lowest it's been? LHR isn't doing so well these days.

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9302 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
wow. only 4 a day for AA on JFK-LHR. Is that about the lowest it's been? LHR isn't doing so well these days.

Yes, pretty much. 4 per day is the lowest frequency AA has offered in the market since early 1994.

For those interested, it is the very late night JFK-LHR and the early morning LHR-JFK flights that are suspended (AA115/AA116).

AA is adding a new LHR-BRU flight (continuation of a BOS flight) to utilise these Heathrow slots for the winter, which is not mentioned in this thread. There was another thread about it earlier in the week when it was announced.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9179 times:

I'm sorry. Can someone please explain this to me?

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
VX
LAX-SEA DAY OF WEEK CANCELS JAN/FEB
SFO-SEA DAY OF WEEK CANCELS JAN/FEB



User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7600 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9173 times:



Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 2):
Yes, pretty much. 4 per day is the lowest frequency AA has offered in the market since early 1994.

For those interested, it is the very late night JFK-LHR and the early morning LHR-JFK flights that are suspended (AA115/AA116).

AA is adding a new LHR-BRU flight (continuation of a BOS flight) to utilise these Heathrow slots for the winter, which is not mentioned in this thread. There was another thread about it earlier in the week when it was announced.

I was surprised to see this as well. ORD-LHR is only 3x daily again, but one of the flights is a 763.

On a more positive note, I was happy to see DFW-LHR to be upgraded to 2x 777 from one 763 and one 777 and MIA-LHR will be 10x weekly again during the winter.

I also think that the LHR-BRU is simply there to protect a slot. LHR-BRU is super cheap to operate, way cheaper than a flight from the states to LHR. Since LHR is hurting, its not a bad move.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25336 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9118 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
6A
LAS-MTY CXLD 1>0 OCT-

Aviacsa has been grounded since July 6th so any schedule updates are purely for house keeping.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2676 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9118 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-SYR 5>6 DEC-

Score. It's about freaking time.


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9034 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
On a more positive note, I was happy to see DFW-LHR to be upgraded to 2x 777 from one 763

Yes, I was happy to see this too!  

AA's hub at DFW is definitely doing really well considering the current industry-wide trend of capacity reductions. The winter 2009/10 schedule is now up to 755 daily flights combined between AA and Eagle – up by 24 from last year’s 731. Total destinations are up to 166 (132 domestic and 34 international).

[Edited 2009-09-03 14:52:02]


Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineF9fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 696 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8865 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
UA
ORD-OKC 3>3 DEC-

Uh, what is the change here?  Confused

As for WN, wouldn't it be easier to count the weekday changes? The weekend schedule can be quite confusing.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8711 times:

WN has split the winter schedule into two schedules.

One starting Jan 10th, and another Feb 10th.

There are mo flights avail, on the Feb 10th schedule then there is for the Jan 10th schedule.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7170 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8702 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
wow. only 4 a day for AA on JFK-LHR. Is that about the lowest it's been? LHR isn't doing so well these days.

The exodus from LGW has proven somewhat disastrous.

Quoting Socalatc (Reply 3):
I'm sorry. Can someone please explain this to me?

They dropped about 1/2 flight averaged over those 2 months. That probably means they cut some Tues/Wed flights, but I haven't looked in detail at how they did it.

Quoting F9fan (Reply 8):
ORD-OKC 3>3 DEC-

Sorry, should be:
ORD-OKC 3>4 DEC-


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8574 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
TA
IAH-BZE CXLD 1>0 NOV-
IAH-SAL NEW 0>1 NOV-

Was the flight previously SAL-BZE-IAH? If the loads were so poor on the one-stop, why do they think that making it non-stop will be any better? Does CO fly from IAH into SAL?

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
I also think that the LHR-BRU is simply there to protect a slot. LHR-BRU is super cheap to operate, way cheaper than a flight from the states to LHR. Since LHR is hurting, its not a bad move.

What about loaning the slot out to another oneworld partner who may make better use of the slot and feed more pax into AA's us bound flights? Or is this reduction simply too short/ teporary for another carrier to exploit any real benefits?

AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8176 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DEN-OMA 6>5 DEC-

Ugh!!!! How awful!!!!! They dropped the 830am DEN-OMA flight!!!! I know alot of people that loved that flight and I flew it 4 times this year and every time 100% full. Lots of elites too on Monday AM....I think they are making a huge mistake.

It works good on Sunday morning with connections from Hawaii too...now folks will just over fly DEN again and fly HNL-ORD-OMA instead, like myself to still get home at a good time.

Now the first DEN-OMA flight isn't until 1030 getting to OMA at 1pm....how does that work for a business traveler??? United better be careful because they may just convince a few DEN elites that F9 or WN is better (both have 7am DEN-OMA flights) and loose some very valuable, loyal customers!!

Maybe this is just a seasonal thing because OMA is very weak in Jan and Feb...we'll have to wait and see. Fingers crossed.


User currently offlineWingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

I see that WN is going to be starting MSP-STL this winter! Another city for MSP. How much longer before we see BWI? or LAS?

Wingnut



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7916 times:
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Is WN continuing LAX-MDW? I didn't see it up there on the list for LAX or MDW? Thanks for your help & for putting together these comprehensive updates every week.

User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7886 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-MTY NEW 0>1 NOV-

Is this mostly an O/D flight or will there be a lot of passengers connecting to AA?



The sky is the limit as long as you can stay there
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7747 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
Is WN continuing LAX-MDW? I didn't see it up there on the list for LAX or MDW? Thanks for your help & for putting together these comprehensive updates every week.

Yes, WN will have 5 daily LAX-MDW Jan 11th.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineAlbnwa4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7259 times:



Quoting Wingnutmn (Reply 13):
I see that WN is going to be starting MSP-STL this winter! Another city for MSP. How much longer before we see BWI? or LAS?

I would't think it to be too soon. I'm assuming that these flights will connect pretty well with DAL flights, that will allow WN to get around the Wright amendment.

If DL doesn't put on the foil anytime soon WN will take over the Humphrey and MSP revenues will certianly begin to decline. I know that MSP may not be ideal but really DL obviously has a stronghold in the market why little by little give that up?

-A4


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6765 times:



Quoting Albnwa4 (Reply 17):
I know that MSP may not be ideal but really DL obviously has a stronghold in the market why little by little give that up?

May not be ideal? It has been well known that NW said for years that MSP is its most profitable hub, something that I doubt has changed. They have a large O&D market with high fares basically all to themselves. That's IS ideal in my opinion.

Jeremy


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6478 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 18):
May not be ideal? It has been well known that NW said for years that MSP is its most profitable hub, something that I doubt has changed. They have a large O&D market with high fares basically all to themselves. That's IS ideal in my opinion.

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2nd most profitable hub in the system(DL/NW that is).



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6293 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
wow. only 4 a day for AA on JFK-LHR. Is that about the lowest it's been? LHR isn't doing so well these days.

London is not a warm weather destination. This is just reflecting the realities of air travel during this recession.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 10):
The exodus from LGW has proven somewhat disastrous.

Not really. Not having to go to LGW is somewhat a relief for most people who would connect through LHR to travel onwards. Lets face it if LGW were a great airport there would not have been such a mass exodus from it at the very first chance the airlines had. The market for travel to LGW from the U.S. would have dried up long before if the Bermuda 2 accord did not force the U.S. carriers to use LGW if they wanted to fly to London. So quit your whining about LGW and get on with your life.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5956 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 20):
London is not a warm weather destination. This is just reflecting the realities of air travel during this recession.

both true statements. Since LON has NEVER been a warm weather destination, then clearly the recession is the driving factor.  Smile

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 20):
Not having to go to LGW is somewhat a relief for most people who would connect through LHR to travel onwards.

There is still a sizeable local London market and LHR is not the most convenient airport for all of them.
There is no reason to think that LGW cannot sustain some TATL service just as there are multiple int'l airports in other cities around the world. There is clearly a primary airport but not everything will fly in/out of that primary airport.

There are many people who want to go nowhere near LHR if they can avoid it.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7170 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5801 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
Is WN continuing LAX-MDW? I didn't see it up there on the list for LAX or MDW? Thanks for your help & for putting together these comprehensive updates every week.

Any route not listed was unchanged.

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 20):
Lets face it if LGW were a great airport there would not have been such a mass exodus from it

As you probably know, airlines move in packs. If one does it, they all do it. LGW now has too little transatlantic service because of that. I prefer LGW if I'm just going to London. LHR has a horrendous reputation and I have many personal painful stories there. Feel free to extol LHR. I'm not sure how many people will join you.  Smile


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Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5763 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 22):
I prefer LGW if I'm just going to London.

Or just about any other airport.

Whenever I'm at LHR I feel like I'm trapped in mob of sheep heading off to get their throats cut.

When I first flew out of the there, the terminals were canvas marquees and there were duck boards on the ground to stop your shoes getting muddy.

I preferred it then.  Smile

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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5724 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 21):
There are many people who want to go nowhere near LHR if they can avoid it


Probably those who haven't been to Terminal 5. (after the teething problems anyway) T5 is the nicest terminal I've been in (a limited sample unfortunately) but I would go a bit out of my way to stopover there again given the chance.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
25 AAAL : They always operated this flight but this year scare with the swine flu demand dropped like crazy. It good to hear things are back to normal.
26 SurfandSnow : No discontinuation of the LGB-SJC flights? Might this mean that B6 acquired those AS slots and did not have to give up the SJC flights to support the
27 Jetbluefan1 : Unfortunately this is not the case. JetBlue spokespeople have already confirmed that LGB-SJC is toast. If/when AS stops their mainline flights and gi
28 Viscount724 : LCY is much better than both LHR and LGW. I'm sure KL has quite a few longhaul passengers connecting at AMS to benefit from the user-friendliness of
29 Enilria : I think they did not load the cuts yet. Of course the problem there is almost no service to the USA.
30 Sydscott : I generally find that if you're determined to have a bad experience, or already have a set picture in your head of what you will find at an airport,
31 Enilria : I can't speak to T5, but I've had many bad experiences at T4. It's not the building, of course, that's the problem. How British Airways thinks it is
32 BMI727 : I actually rather like it. The stairs are covered, and if people's carryons were actually carryon sized, taking them down the steps wouldn't be a pro
33 Yellowtail : They have separated the flights out SAL-IAH and SAL-BZE in order to better compete with CO on the SAL segment. Loads were bad on the BZE-IAH segment
34 Viscount724 : But once you get on the bus you then have to wait for the bus to fill up and leave. I would much prefer to deplane into the terminal and be on my way
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