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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6169 times:

Has Anybody been to a Qatar airways cabin crew recruitment drive?

There's one on nearby me this sunday and part of me is curious to go.
Does anybody know what to expect?
What kind of Pay to they offer their Attendents?

Cheers

LH

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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6105 times:

According to the link below, the pay is USD1,579 - it doesn't say, but I assume this is per week??
http://www.qatarairways.com/global/en/cabincrew-benefits.html


User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

Hi,

can't help you on the subject, but you might find useful information at http://www.pprune.org . They have a section for cabin crew affairs.



Et là tu montes encore plus haut et ça persiste, alors on vole
User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

I've just been reading some of the comments on PPRUNE... and its not sounding good. Not allowed to leave the country without special permission and restrictions on who and when people can visit you?

From what i seem to gather (i may be wrong here) that wage is per month...in which case it's crap!

Anybody else able to confirm.


User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 3):
From what i seem to gather (i may be wrong here) that wage is per month...in which case it's crap!

The wage does not seem bad considering that they offer free accomodation, health care, transportation to the airport, etc. No taxes as well. I have looked at some airlines' FA pay in Europe and including the cost of living, they will have much less money in their bank account at the end of the month than an FA at QR.
As you say yourself, the other side of the coin is that living in the Middle East differs from the western world. I guess it's every individual's decision if he's willing to comply with the laws and customs there. That's the way I see it...



edit: grammar

[Edited 2009-09-03 16:32:17]


Et là tu montes encore plus haut et ça persiste, alors on vole
User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Qatar, joined Feb 2000, 781 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

the pay 1579 USD is per month and does not include meal allowances.
With all allowances you get out around 2000 USD per month.
This is tax free and you dont have any bills really, since rent , transport is provided by the airline. So basicly you get 2000 USD in hand which is not that bad.Worth to mention is that this is starting pay, so it gets higher the longer you work. First/Business crew get around 3500 USD per month , and CSD ( Customer Services Director ) can get up to 6000 USD per month.
The exit/entrance permit is for basicly all expats in Qatar.not only for QR crew.You can get as many as you want, and it takes some 10 minutes to get one.

Anybody can visit you , but there is a curfew if you have a flight in the morning.i think you have to be back by 10pm.I think this was set as many crew went out and came too late and were too tired for their flight.
However for female crew, they can only have females spending the night at their place.
You have to remember that Qatar is a muslim country.

It may be harsh with so many rules, but when you employ thousands of crew from all different cultures, and countries ( some as young as 20 years) you need to have some boundaries.
After all its the airline that brought you there , and they are responsible for your wellbeing.

Also worth to remember, working in an Arab country is not the same as e.g Australia.
So if you dont have an open mind it can be tough to adjust.

You have crew that hate it and leave, and then you have some that love it and stay many years.



Let´s fly away
User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

Thanks flyboy_se

Now that doesn't sound as bad as some of the ppl on PPRUNE are making it out to be. The pay still isn't outstanding but i guess if you've got time to do some trading online you'd make up for some of the loss of income.

The thing that bothered me the most was the visiting restrictions... but if men can have ppl stay over without any worries then that doesn't bother me.

How long does it take to get into first/buisness and a CSD at Qatar? Provided you're up to scratch of course?


User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Qatar, joined Feb 2000, 781 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

You are welcome Lufthansa.
Its not a life on the red carpet, but its not bad as some make it out to be.
getting into First/Business class depends on your preformance.Some have done it in 4 years, while some in just 1 year. before becoming CSD you have to be CS first.It is Cabin Senior.You are in charge on single aisle aircraft, and in charge of Economy on wide bodies.I know people that became CS after 2 years.For CSD its 3 years and more. But again, it all depends on your preformance. After CSD you can become Preformance Officer, where you check CSD s on fligths, and also do some training.
Hope this helps.
Cheers



Let´s fly away
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

If there are other options to join an airline I'd advise you to apply there. QR has a VERY high turnover rate for cabin crew. Some crew, on a layover, just disappear, leave their crew bagagge and uniform behind and never come back. Now that, I guess, says quite a lot. Working conditions are harsh and that might explain why QR has very few crew from western Europe, North America. People from there are not used to being treated in such a way. They had a rule, where a female employee in Qatar needed CEO approval to marry another QR employee.... it's madness.


Besides, what do you do on a day off in Doha?

pprune.org has ton's of other funny stories about that "shop".



.....up there with the best!
User currently offlineIcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5233 times:

If you check out the forum pn cabincrew.com here...

http://www.cabincrew.com/ccnetwork/forum_topics.asp?FID=22

You'll find experiences of the interviews, assesment days, life of crew at QR, etc


User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Qatar, joined Feb 2000, 781 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5079 times:



Quoting Airmale (Reply 8):
If there are other options to join an airline I'd advise you to apply there. QR has a VERY high turnover rate for cabin crew. Some crew, on a layover, just disappear, leave their crew bagagge and uniform behind and never come back. Now that, I guess, says quite a lot. Working conditions are harsh and that might explain why QR has very few crew from western Europe, North America. People from there are not used to being treated in such a way. They had a rule, where a female employee in Qatar needed CEO approval to marry another QR employee.... it's madness.


Besides, what do you do on a day off in Doha?

During my 2 years at QR i have never heard about crew just dissappearing on their layover.
Nor did i hear about needing permission from CEO to marry another QR crew.I am not saying it didnt happen, just i never heard of it.
Íts true QR do not employ a huge sum of western European crew, and i am sure there are many reasons for this.I do not know answer to that, but i know that a lot of upper managment is from UK/Germany/US/Canada and just recently QR recruited a dutch man from KLM to be number 2 in the company. Also there are many crew that has switched from EK/EY/GF to QR, but then many went from QR to those airlines aswell.

Doha is not exactly New York, but there are things to do.As crew you dont really feel like hitting the town on your day off. If in the last 2 weeks you had flights to New York, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Cape Town ,Seychelles and Nairobi , you will probbably want to just relax on your days off.And at least in Doha you have many options for just that.
I guess its different for everybody.Its what you make of it.
I deal with QR crew on daily basis, and they are a great bunch.The ones that are complaining are usually the ones that thought they will have a jetset style life. But it is a job like any other job.And you need to have some boundaries and limits to sort out the bad apples.



Let´s fly away
User currently offlineM11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

I've really thought about apply to QR for a F/A position. I've really been fascinated by Doha and the Middle East in general. QR seems like a great airline and one that I would love to work for.


My opinions, statements, etc. are my own and do not have any association with those of any employer.
User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

I wonder where this recruitment drive is being held? in the US?


Bring JetBlue To Mexico City! (TLC and/or MEX would be great)
User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5599 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4720 times:



Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 5):
After all its the airline that brought you there , and they are responsible for your wellbeing.

True, but then the idea that the airline basically "owns" you and your free time and dictates at what time you should be in bed the day before flight is sure difficult for many to digest and I would say is a sophisticated form of semi-slavery.


User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Qatar, joined Feb 2000, 781 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4621 times:



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 13):
True, but then the idea that the airline basically "owns" you and your free time and dictates at what time you should be in bed the day before flight is sure difficult for many to digest and I would say is a sophisticated form of semi-slavery.

Thats true too, but then again some of the crew come from countries and cultures where they didnt have any freedom at all, and now they can do what they want.It gets too much to handle for some. You can do whatever you want , its just curfew on days when you have early morning flights.



Let´s fly away
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4485 times:



Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 14):

based on your last statment, QR should maybe include North Korea in it's recruitment dirve. They are not used to any freedom....

and your last statement prefectly explains why there are hardly any "western" crew with QR.



.....up there with the best!
User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4310 times:



Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 14):
You can do whatever you want , its just curfew on days when you have early morning flights.



Quoting Airmale (Reply 15):
and your last statement prefectly explains why there are hardly any "western" crew with QR.

I honestly don't see what's wrong with imposing a curfew to ensure that your crew are rested well and presentable on a flight. It's a professional issue. I can't count the number of times I had a Dispatch stand-by shift with the mobile phone and was woken up by a phone call, just because my colleague stayed out too late the previous night and wasn't able to wake up on time.

As for QR, I did get a job offer for a position in the Doha office but in my case the remuneration package offered was simply not good enough. It's a personal decision you must take based on your needs and preferences.


User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Qatar, joined Feb 2000, 781 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4255 times:



Quoting Airmale (Reply 15):
based on your last statment, QR should maybe include North Korea in it's recruitment dirve. They are not used to any freedom....

You can always go on their website and complete a tell-us form to let them know

QR has crew from all over the world, including "western" parts.And i wouldnt call it hardly any "western" crew.



Let´s fly away
User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4251 times:



Quoting Levent (Reply 16):
As for QR, I did get a job offer for a position in the Doha office but in my case the remuneration package offered was simply not good enough. It's a personal decision you must take based on your needs and preferences.

That was my deciding factor and this morning I decided not to proceed any further. The idea seemed like fun... the restrictions didn't. but Ulitmately, even with free rent USD $2000 a month just isn't enough for ppl who've got several degrees under their belt. No the answer is work harder and be a business class passenger rather then waiting on people in business class.


User currently offlineGr09 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4227 times:



Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 10):
During my 2 years at QR i have never heard about crew just dissappearing on their layover.
Nor did i hear about needing permission from CEO to marry another QR crew.I am not saying it didnt happen, just i never heard of it.

I know personally a girl at QR that had to get permission signed by Al Baker to get married. It was not too complicated though.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 13):
True, but then the idea that the airline basically "owns" you and your free time and dictates at what time you should be in bed the day before flight is sure difficult for many to digest and I would say is a sophisticated form of semi-slavery.

The rule about getting enough sleep before the flight (there's even more, e.g. zero alcohol tolerance) makes sense to me. As for the exit permit, there's an annual exit permit option (I've got one) but I'm not sure it is available for flight attendants.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 18):
USD $2000 a month just isn't enough

For this amount of money QR can get plenty of hard working and good looking flight attendants from Asia & South America. So why would they offer more? From my experience the QR flight attendants (wherever they are from) are very competent and capable.


User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 978 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4209 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 18):
No the answer is work harder and be a business class passenger rather then waiting on people in business class.

Bingo!



"She's a a cruel lover."...E. Diaz referring to United's B747-400.
User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4179 times:



Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 5):
The exit/entrance permit is for basicly all expats in Qatar.not only for QR crew.You can get as many as you want, and it takes some 10 minutes to get one.

That is a problem for some of my friends who work for QR, they have to wait and wait and sometimes not get approved to leave country for vacation yet. you need exit permits! it gets tiring. its almost like your a prisoner, can only fly out on work with QR but if you wanna go to some other country on your free time, you have to apply for an exit permit.



There Are Those Who Believe That There May Yet Be Other Airlines Who Even Now Fight To Survive Beyond The Heavens
User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4136 times:



Quoting Gr09 (Reply 19):
For this amount of money QR can get plenty of hard working and good looking flight attendants from Asia & South America. So why would they offer more? From my experience the QR flight attendants (wherever they are from) are very competent and capable.

Well sure they can get them and I'm sure those people do a good job. One of the cornerstone's of EK's strategy has been 'to speak your own language and culture'...and to do that they've done that with staff coming from the destinations they're marketing themselves in. Like it or not that means for western markerts, westerners. This has been a key approach in EK's battle with singapore airlines for regular Australian travellers for example. There's a huge group of people who regularly commute between the UK and Aust...and many of those people like to have a joke and a laugh... a few drinks etc in a certain way the singapore girl doesn't offer. However British and Aussie staff have been able to offer that. But it comes at a cost.
The Japanese likewise also appreciate those understanding their culture. They just feel that bit more at home. The solution? Japanese staff. That way EK 'speaks your language" and "shares your train of thought". Once again, it costs more. Japanese staff aren't cheap.

So, in a service based role... if QR want to do this... well they can but it comes at a price. I'm not for a moment suggesting those staff aren't competent. But why should they pay more? If they want the appeal of the 'native' culture of the customer. If they're not willing to well thats fine by me but I can easily earn 4 or 5 times what they're offering... so in turn...why should I supply my labour for the rates those indians are willing to work for when I dont have to? Yes... there's the travel benefit. But the wage difference is too huge to make up for that.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Also another rule with QR is you will get in big trouble if you are found by QR talking to any one (boyfriend or girlfriend) while in your uniform. so you have to be very careful at your hotels. must get out of uniform first and then meet somewhere else on layover


There Are Those Who Believe That There May Yet Be Other Airlines Who Even Now Fight To Survive Beyond The Heavens
User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5599 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3949 times:



Quoting Gr09 (Reply 19):
The rule about getting enough sleep before the flight (there's even more, e.g. zero alcohol tolerance) makes sense to me.



Quoting Levent (Reply 16):
I honestly don't see what's wrong with imposing a curfew to ensure that your crew are rested well and presentable on a flight. It's a professional issue.

Where's personal responsibilty, self-discipline... and as you said professionalism?
I am just an office rat (and not terribly self-disciplined one) but it's a no-brainer that if I have an important/long meeting the next day I won't be out partying?
Perhaps if QR accented aspects other than physical appearance when choosing their staff then they would not have to treat them like kindergarten kids who can't tell on their own when their bedtime is.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 22):
but I can easily earn 4 or 5 times what they're offering...

... then why did you even entertained the idea of applying for the job?  scratchchin  It's not the 1970s and all the glamour of flying is gone.


25 Lufthansa : Well that's why I asked the very first question...what do they pay like? Obviously for a lot of professionally qualified ppl it's going to be a pay c
26 Ojas : And that hardly takes few minutes, the application is online, get it signed by your sponsor. It's not as bad as you project .. prisoners and all that
27 Jimbobjoe : If it's such a great idea, why do only Middle Eastern countries have exit permits which need to be countersigned by an employer? This is really just
28 Airmale : Millions of people have no problems with exit permits in Qatar? The country only has about 833'000 people living there (according to the CIA Factbook
29 Gr09 : Estimate for 2009 is around 1,4 million. Still, many people had worked in Qatar that are now gone so there can be millions with the exit permit exper
30 814NAS : I have lived and worked in qatar for over three years and not once have I had problem with an exit permit when I required one. The current population
31 Ojas : Who said its a great idea? I'm just passing on information. This has nothing to do with the employee's passport. The Arabs who abuse poor people, in
32 Post contains links Airmale : This gentleman was not allowed to leave QR so easily..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ays-arrest-spying-Middle-East.html
33 814NAS : Scary, but hardly the same context.
34 EK413 : I would have to say monthly income... Weekly I'll be applying today... Certainly not for me... Was in Dubai earlier in the year and I certainly could
35 GFFgold : Agreed on both counts. With what they are offering they can attract staff from Asian airlines with good training standards. There are ex SQ and CX cr
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