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Is This An A320 Or A319?  
User currently offlineRebelDJ From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 111 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7841 times:

Flight say that this aircraft http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...es/34650/a320-msn4015-sva-edhi.jpg is an A320, but it only has a single overwing exit.

Now, I've seen A319s with two overwing exits for higher density seating (EZY & 4U for instance), but this is a first for me. Does anyone else know of other airlines operating this, presumably reduced capacity, version of the A320?

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7745 times:

It clearly is an A320 judging by the number of pax windows. It puzzles me as to why it only has one overwing exit on the right side....

Anyone here at Saudi Arabian know why?



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7698 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
It puzzles me as to why it only has one overwing exit on the right side....

It's defiantly the right length for an A320. The spacing of the window forward of the exit looks like normal A320 location for a window. My guess is that the exit is there, but deactivated and the markings are therefore, not painted on it. I assume this must be a VIP aircraft of some type, or else Saudia has a relatively low capacity/larg J section on it's A320?

Other examples are the exit on the Privatair/LX BBJ2 (73H) and the door exit behind the wings of the CO 739ER.

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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7635 times:

This is an A320.

He is another picture, taken at TLS jut a few days ago :

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3457/3886035297_40188e778f_o.jpg

msn 4015, F-WWBS.

Just like some A319 need 2 overwing exits (instead of the regular 1) because of the high number of seats cramped inside, this A320 needs only 1 overwing exit (instead of the regular 2) because of the low number of seats fitted in the cabin.

[Edited 2009-09-04 02:28:39]

User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1411 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7488 times:

Surely this would hamper potential resale values of the aircraft? Why not just have the extra overwing exit anyway?

User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2811 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7417 times:
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ZSOFN and others this aircraft DOES have two over wing exists, however one is deactivated as the planes is a VIP transport.

In fact if you look closely at the view of the starboard side image above the aircraft has cutting points over the position of the deactivated over-wing access door plus one forward of the wings and one after the wings .


User currently offlineERJ From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7170 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 5):
ZSOFN and others this aircraft DOES have two over wing exists, however one is deactivated as the planes is a VIP transport.

In fact if you look closely at the view of the starboard side image above the aircraft has cutting points over the position of the deactivated over-wing access door plus one forward of the wings and one after the wings .

Could you explain these cutting points. I'm not familiar. Is it just a weak area in the fuselage skin?


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 5):
In fact if you look closely at the view of the starboard side image above the aircraft has cutting points over the position of the deactivated over-wing access door plus one forward of the wings and one after the wings .

the "cutting point" indications have nothing to do with a deactivated second overwing exit.
They exist on all aircraft, and the same "cutting point" can be seen on the following picture of a "traditionnal" A320 :



The potential deactivated overwing exit on the Saudia A320 is located right in front of the existing one.

[Edited 2009-09-04 09:36:32]

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7257 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7021 times:



Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 4):
Surely this would hamper potential resale values of the aircraft?

I think there are quite a number of Saudis who would not give a second thought to the resale value of an aircraft even if oil was only $20 a barrel.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6792 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 2):
My guess is that the exit is there, but deactivated and the markings are therefore, not painted on it. I assume this must be a VIP aircraft of some type, or else Saudia has a relatively low capacity/larg J section on it's A320?

Other examples are the exit on the Privatair/LX BBJ2 (73H) and the door exit behind the wings of the CO 739ER.

Also, the 2 BA A318s to be used on the LCY-JFK-LCY (with SNN fuel stop westbound) all-business class service have the single overwing exit on each side deactivated. Note there is no painted outline around the exit in the following photo, although the exit still exists structurally if you look closely. It's presumably not needed with only 32 seats on the aircraft, and the location may conflict with the the seating layout and if activated may mean the loss of one row of seats (just guessing).


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User currently offlineAirlinespotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

What's wrong with the wing of the Air France A320 above? Am I seeing things or it looks like the wing is broke? Sorry for not staying with the topic.

User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6600 times:



Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 4):
Surely this would hamper potential resale values of the aircraft? Why not just have the extra overwing exit anyway?

Cmiiw, I believe that the overwing exits are still there. They are just deactivated/disabled. They can be activated.


User currently offlineSANAV8R From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

Could this Saudi A320 very well be a private aircraft? The usual logo (Palm and crossed swords) is also not present.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6585 times:



Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 4):
Surely this would hamper potential resale values of the aircraft? Why not just have the extra overwing exit anyway?

Yes that's true but possibly in their case the extra costs of maintenance checks for that extra emergency exit may not be worth it for the period of time they have possession of it for. And plus it means extra space you have to keep clear.



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User currently offlineJetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6427 times:



Quoting SANAV8R (Reply 12):
Could this Saudi A320 very well be a private aircraft? The usual logo (Palm and crossed swords) is also not present.

I think the logo is a decal that has not yet been applied. The lighter circle where it will be applied appears to be there.



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User currently offlineAdam42185 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6007 times:



Quoting Airlinespotter (Reply 10):
What's wrong with the wing of the Air France A320 above? Am I seeing things or it looks like the wing is broke? Sorry for not staying with the topic.

I am not sure exactly what you are referring to, but if it is the light part on the bottom of the wing outboard to the engine I would guess that is just a reflection of the engine cowling that gives the illusion that there is a hole in the wing.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

What I want to know is do these private 'saudia' aircraft have a bar onboard? We know its a big no no on regular saudi flights... but what about these for the elite?

Do they get away with it? I've heard BA does really well on its specially configured 777s on Saudi flights due to the huge demand for first class (they've got an expanded F cabin on these flights) and, as they're stocked in London they operate with a full bar service each way.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

This A320-214 CN 4015 (clearly visible) is NOT a "real" Saudi Arabian Airline plane , and is not the first brand new A320 belonging to the SV order (including leased machines coming from lessors) , but is destined to the Royal Family , probably to replace MD90.

It will become HZ-AS11.


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