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Austrian Long Haul Fleet.. Changes On The Horizon?  
User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4670 times:

Now that Lufthansa has finalised its takeover of Austrian will we see any changes to the long haul fleet?

As we know, Lufthansa has been introducing a fleet of A330-300s to the Lufthansa and Swiss fleets in order to consolodate them, expand and replace older models. Could we see a similar strategy employed with Austrian?

For example the 777-200s and 767-300s being replaced with A330-200/300 models?

Also will the Fokkers in the Tyrolean fleet be replaced with Embraer RJs like with Lufthansa Regional and Swiss European?


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9676 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4641 times:

A saw a report in ATW nline this morning that the leases on 2 763s expire shortly and they would be replaced by 2 777s

The 50 seater CRJ will go and F70 and F100 should be on the way out as well.

Dpn't expect decisions that cost money and yield little. The goal is to make OS cash neutral straight away and cash positive from next year. They will most benefit from the synergies LH can offer and stream-lining sales offices.

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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8603 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4617 times:
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Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
For example the 777-200s and 767-300s being replaced with A330-200/300 models?

I will try to find a link , but at the press conference yesterday apparently the current OS CEO made a comment about how the long haul side of OS has improved and that a couple of the 767s which are due to go off lease soon could possibly be replaced by more 777s . I cant imagine that he would say something like that without having the ok from the new owners .

I know that the conventional wisdom is that LH will change OS longhaul to airbus - but dont forget that would incur significant training costs - while I am sure that in the longer term the LH group fleets will be 'harmonised' the short term outlook for the fleet ( 0-5 years IMHO ) could be for less dramatic change .



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4617 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
Also will the Fokkers in the Tyrolean fleet be replaced with Embraer RJs like with Lufthansa Regional and Swiss European?

Swiss is not getting ERJ but the Bombardier CSeries.

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
For example the 777-200s and 767-300s being replaced with A330-200/300 models?

Doubtful that they will buy new A330s for OS, too much of an investment. They have 777/767s that are paid for and have recently been upgraded (767s have received a new interior and winglets).
OS will get 787 or A350s to replace their current longhaul fleet but no short time solution.



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User currently offlineAviationmaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4617 times:

In the short term - No. Lufthansa will probably follow a similar strategy as they did with LX. First make the airline profitable again and then consider expansion options.

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
For example the 777-200s and 767-300s being replaced with A330-200/300 models?

OS' decision of dropping their Airbuses in favour of Boeings in the long haul sector happend not all to long ago. Switching back to Airbus would just mean spending money that they don't have right now.

Depending on how long it takes to turn OS around, the current fleet could stay unchanged until a joint order for the A350 and/or B787 is made.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4605 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
but dont forget that would incur significant training costs

Well this would not be too much of an issue as many OS pilots and ground crew are already liscened for the A330/A340.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8603 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4596 times:
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Quoting Columba (Reply 5):
Well this would not be too much of an issue as many OS pilots and ground crew are already liscened for the A330/A340.

but presumably they are no longer current



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User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4572 times:

That is kind of funny, OS did indeed just get rid of the last of the 340's in the last year or so. They swapped out the 310s for 330's in the mid-late 90's, and got rid of the 330's shortly after the take over of Lauda Air. At that point they were left with some 342's and 343's along with 3 772's and 4 or 5 763's.

By 2008 the last of the Airbus 340's were history.

The Boeings were a legacy of Lauda air. Previously OS only had Fokkers, Airbus and some Mad Dogs.

tom



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User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4401 times:
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I never really understood the swap from the A330/340 to the 767. One can comprehend the place of the 777 in their fleet, but the 767...
It remains a huge downgrade from the A330 for instance. Certainly when you keep in mind that they have the 32F series or their medium haul fleet.They also lost a lot of cargo capacity with that move. But IIRC it was due to lease costs issues ans OS was already weakened at that time.

Let's hope OS will fly on the right track from now on  Wink



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User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4210 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 8):
I never really understood the swap from the A330/340 to the 767. One can comprehend the place of the 777 in their fleet, but the 767...


I agree, I never knew the factors in that decision. The Lauda 767 and 777s were quite nice, and certainly on par with the 330 and 343's. The 342's were nearly as old as their A310s.

I can only guess, but I would agree that Mr. Lauda likely had better lease terms on the Boeings than OS had on the Airbuses. Pure guess here.

Tom



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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

G'day

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 8):
I never really understood the swap from the A330/340 to the 767. One can comprehend the place of the 777 in their fleet, but the 767..

Quite simply, there was a market for the A 332's, where there was none for the 763's.

OK, they could also have sold their 772's at a good price, but presumably those were needed for their Asian routes.

I wonder if all the LX 332's have been placed with other operators, else some of those may find their way to OS to replace those 763's and maybe even the 772's. Would help in terms of fleet commonality. Those two 772's in the OS fleet will really be kind of odd balls in the LH owned fleet. I feel those will be gone in the not too distant future to be replaced with something more common in the LH family of airlines. That may entail moving some aircraft within the group - remember LH has some aircraft parked - or, if things improve replacing those with new aircraft.

We'll see  Embarrassment

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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4152 times:



Quoting TomFoolery (Reply 9):
The Lauda 767 and 777s were quite nice, and certainly on par with the 330 and 343's.

It depends... 30" seat pitch in Y and 6 abreast J in the 763, 10 abreast Y and 7 abreast J in 772 can be considered nice for a leisure carrier, but not for a legacy carrier and *A member. I'll definitely avoid them (the only exception would be J for reasonable price).
Sometimes I wish AC would take over the YYZ-VIE route...


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4152 times:

It might be off topic but what is the future for all these LH bought airlines. OS will keep flying its colors, be a flag carrier and all but it is owned by LH for how long?
Is there a way for OS to buy itself back if it chooses to?
Or just the way around, can we see a one giant LH and nothing else one day in the future?
Thanks.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9676 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4115 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 12):
Is there a way for OS to buy itself back if it chooses to?

With what? OS will become a wholly owned company of Lufthansa Aviation Group. LH could sell OS, but that would not make sense.

OS , as an integrated company in the aviation group has many benefits it will not have as a stand-alone. If the Austrian State would decide to buy back OS from LH, they would have to pay a very heavy price and the company would be in the red straight again, even when profitable as part of LH.

At least in the near future, all these companies will retain their national identity. More to that, LH is even establishing an Italian group carrier, LH Italia.

A single carrier in Europe will not happen, there will be three groups plus a good number of independent niche carriers.

The "national carrier" will vanish, small countries will no longer be able to have a money bleeding carrier flying their flag.flying all over the places. Small regional, European and feeder services yes, but only under the umbrella of a group. CSA did not find shelter under AFs wings, will be interesting to see what happens with them.



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4040 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
Also will the Fokkers in the Tyrolean fleet be replaced with Embraer RJs like with Lufthansa Regional and Swiss European?



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
The 50 seater CRJ will go and F70 and F100 should be on the way out as well.

What I have heard is that a few F100 will be coming in and that some A330 will replace the 767 and the 777 will stay.


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