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LH Cancels 4 BMI Routes  
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11875 times:

in the 1st round of moves by LH - the following


bmi today announced cancellations of 4 routes:

East Midland - Cologne eff 18SEP09
Manchester - Glasgow eff 19SEP09
London Heathrow - Palma Mallorca eff 04NOV09
London Heathrow - Venice eff 16NOV09

now a sad day,


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User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11752 times:



Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
Manchester - Glasgow eff 19SEP09

I'm surprised to see this route go but I guess that they have tough competition from flybe. I always preferred the regional product and service! Seems odd that MAN-EDI stays but GLA gets dropped. I wonder if we might see an increase else where on the regional side as this will free up at least 1 ERJ.

Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
London Heathrow - Palma Mallorca eff 04NOV09

I guess been a leisure market it perhaps doesn't fit in too well with bmi's image of being more for the business traveller!

Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
London Heathrow - Venice eff 16NOV09

Surprised with this as I thought that perhaps Luthansa Italia might have taken on the route.

Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
East Midland - Cologne eff 18SEP09

I guess that this will also be another ERJ free from the system. Perhaps an ATR from the Luthansa Cityline fleet might have been better suited in terms of costs?



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User currently offlinePoh2 From Venezuela, joined Oct 2003, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11518 times:

Perhaps they can transfer the LHR slots to other airlines in the LH Group...personally, I'd like to see LX re-start GVA-LHR...I think this route could be profitable for Swiss (and therefore for the whole group, too).

just my 2 cents,
Patrick



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User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11349 times:



Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
London Heathrow - Venice eff 16NOV09

Strange this - LH have been advertising a £99.00 return deal LHR-VCE as a special offer on their website this week using the BMI direct flights...

http://www.lufthansa.com/uk/en/Fligh...deals%20to%20Europ%7CAthens%20from



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User currently offlineCambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 619 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11197 times:



Quoting Poh2 (Reply 2):
Perhaps they can transfer the LHR slots to other airlines in the LH Group...personally, I'd like to see LX re-start GVA-LHR...I think this route could be profitable for Swiss (and therefore for the whole group, too).

Yes please! This is a major hole in the LX network, and BA must be laughing all the way to the (Swiss) bank on the LHR-GVA run.

This would also allow LX to exploit limited connection options via Geneva, such as DME, ATH, JFK etc. I often transit via Geneva from London City to Athens- it is a very good experience.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10924 times:
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Quoting BMED (Reply 1):
Seems odd that MAN-EDI stays but GLA gets dropped.I wonder if we might see an increase else where on the regional side as this will free up at least 1 ERJ.

Given that GLA-MAN is only operated on a single daily basis and has been since June, I don't think it'll free up anything unfortunately.


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10828 times:



Quoting Cambrian (Reply 4):
Yes please! This is a major hole in the LX network, and BA must be laughing all the way to the (Swiss) bank on the LHR-GVA run.

That really confused me a few months ago when i had a miss connect on the GVA. Went to rebook and said LX would do it, to find out they don't. Looked a few days either side as well just to make sure.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10791 times:
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Quoting Cambrian (Reply 4):
Yes please! This is a major hole in the LX network, and BA must be laughing all the way to the (Swiss) bank on the LHR-GVA run.

Take a look at this.


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10742 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 7):
Take a look at this.

wow, did not know that was happening. I joined BA in 05 and cant recall seeing BA/LX codeshares.


User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 846 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10687 times:

Would have thought it was a bit short notice for some passingers
to re-book etc. Don't think I would be very happy if I had a flight
booked the end of Sept/Oct and was affected...

What will happen with the LHR slots?



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9865 times:
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Lufthansa is killing BMI's LHR system one route at a time. I hope they don't liquidate the airline and sell all the slots to oil rich airlines. Emirates, Etihad & Qatar all run very respectable operations but after 4, 5 or 6 daily flights to LHR how many more can they add ?

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9712 times:

What's BD's longest route now, TLV? I remember way back when, when then had a few US flights, and that oh so well loved 757 from MAN to IAD.
Am very interested to see what LH are going to do with them.


User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9516 times:

bmi's longest route at the moment is probably the Addis Abbaba or the Almaty/Bishkek.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8580 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9421 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
in the 1st round of moves by LH - the following



Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
London Heathrow - Palma Mallorca eff 04NOV09
London Heathrow - Venice eff 16NOV09



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
Lufthansa is killing BMI's LHR system one route at a time.

for goodness sake - LH has barely taken over the airline and rumours have been on Flyertalk for months regarding the two ( yes , that's right , count them , 2 ) routes canned ex LHR - I dont believe that these particular route cuts have come about specifically because of LH , BD have been canning routes out of LHR for years - anyone remember WAW PRG BUD ? or MAD and BCN ? or FCO ? or CDG ? all cut over the years , now BD cut yet more routes ex LHR and suddenly it is the beginning of the end and it is all due to LH ? Give me a break .



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7216 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9209 times:



Quoting BMED (Reply 1):
Luthansa Italia

Only operate from MXP - and are focusing there. Unlike BD - they have a focus.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
Lufthansa is killing BMI's LHR system one route at a time

No - its BDs inability to decide what sort of an airline it wants to be thats killing the airline - Dont blame LH, who have no choice but to fix the problems.



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9208 times:



Quoting HUYfan (Reply 12):

Almaty seems to be, though it says they fly CPT and JNB direct on BMI according to the route map.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9009 times:
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Quoting LHR380 (Reply 11):
What's BD's longest route now, TLV? I remember way back when, when then had a few US flights, and that oh so well loved 757 from MAN to IAD.
Am very interested to see what LH are going to do with them.

They still fly MAN-LAS & MAN-ORD.


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8986 times:



Quoting BMED (Reply 1):
Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
East Midland - Cologne eff 18SEP09

I guess that this will also be another ERJ free from the system. Perhaps an ATR from the Luthansa Cityline fleet might have been better suited in terms of costs?

It was a filler for an EMA based aircraft doing three daily flights to - IIRC - BRU. CGN was added when U2 pulled off that route as the aircraft sat idle on the ramp around noon-time.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8919 times:
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Quoting LACA773 (Reply 16):
They still fly MAN-LAS & MAN-ORD.

Don't do those routes anymore.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8918 times:
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Quoting David_itl (Reply 18):
Don't do those routes anymore.

Thanks for correcting me. I thought for sure they were going to keep MAN-LAS going. Oh well.


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8850 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 19):
Thanks for correcting me. I thought for sure they were going to keep MAN-LAS going. Oh well.

All US long hauls were chopped.

There route map shows lots of US destinations but some are code shares, and some say Not Available


User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8698 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 17):
It was a filler for an EMA based aircraft doing three daily flights to - IIRC - BRU. CGN was added when U2 pulled off that route as the aircraft sat idle on the ramp around noon-time.

Wasn't there some sort of commercial contract from a local firm needing to send staff between EMA-CGN that encouranged BD to step in after U2 couldn't get enough additional work to make flying an A319 profitable? If I'm correct then I can well imagine someone else stepping in at either EMA or BHX before too long.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7624 times:



Quoting ZKOJH (Thread starter):
London Heathrow - Palma Mallorca eff 04NOV09

That route has been a survivor amongst bmi's LHR-Continental Europe flights. Anyone know how long bmi have been flying it for

Wonder if BA will step in to provide a Heathrow service for Palma?

Quoting Eurohub (Reply 21):
If I'm correct then I can well imagine someone else stepping in at either EMA or BHX before too long.

Midlands-Cologne has seen a lot of carriers come and go in the past few years

Easyjet and bmi at EMA
HLX at CVT
HLX and Germanwings at BHX
Duo at BHX (and I guess BA/Maersk Air UK before that)

No one seems to be able to stick around for more than a couple of years



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5219 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7583 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 22):
Wonder if BA will step in to provide a Heathrow service for Palma?

Are you crazy? That's a leisure, low yield charter destination. Especially in this economic climate when all tourists stick to cars and campsites again.

Palma is a perfect example of why BMI didn't work. Combining leisure and mainline operations doesn't work, unless you have a subsidery like KLM/Transavia


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7486 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 23):
Are you crazy? That's a leisure, low yield charter destination. Especially in this economic climate when all tourists stick to cars and campsites again.

Are BA crazy flying LHR-Malaga then?



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25 KL911 : Yes,leave that to the charter airlines. Or use your own holiday airline if you have one. Business class is not needed, and tickets on FR, U2, HV etc
26 Sam1987 : Maybe they could, as a W pattern - MXP-LHR-VCE-LHR-MXP. Unlikely but possible. Exactly. So the ERJ will be sat idle again. They do the same at LBA -
27 PHX Flyer : Unfortunately, Cologne is a city in decline. The recent success of a couple of low-cost carriers has only masked this trend. And only God and some in
28 KL911 : But very close to FRA, with the ICE highspeed train, even with LH flightnumbers as part of your eticket. Or to DUS at the other end, only half an hour
29 David_itl : I doubt it's a slotkeeping route as why would they bother to try to garner as many slots as possible for them enhance their position of LHR's number
30 Oneworld77 : No. Huge numbers of retired Brits Abroad who travel regularly to their second homes in the regions and the *ahem* "High End" resorts in Marbella. The
31 Cyba : In the depth's of LX's economic despair in its early years it was trying to (a) join an alliance and (b) get cash. Oneworld was its preferred allianc
32 LHR380 : Thanks for that, I never knew that LX were nearly Oneworld. Would of been a good base GVA.
33 Poh2 : yes, exactly. And ever since then, Swiss lost those slots. I don't know exactly what happened afterwards; why couldn't LX re-pay BA the loan and get
34 TFFIP : These are the actions of a bright new MD who is doing his best to demonstrate to LH that the outfit is worth keeping. BA have met with LH about buyin
35 Nonrev : It does seem that everyone is always so quick to jump on the BD-bashing band-wagon. Look at what BD has actually done. It has built itself up from a
36 Mutu : No, there is a large british ex pat community in Malaga with a significant number of "high wealth" individuals who use the LHR route for onward conne
37 LHR380 : We all know it is, however the site says operated by BD, it does not say its a codeshare. I even double checked the map and the lines, but it said op
38 Sam1987 : Is LHR to GIB not a permanent change?
39 Burkhard : Good luck with going to Palma by car How many LCC flights are there between London and Palma a day, I assume 40 in summer and 5 in winter. Who wants
40 Bongodog1964 : Do they have the necessary rights to fly LHR - TATL ?
41 TFFIP : I don't know. Could Etihad (for example) start a LHR base as Etihad (UK) and operate as a UK carrier? Other airlines have that sort of division. Laws
42 Oly720man : G-EZIT (A319 U2) 1958 20090908 U22279 (LTN-PMI) G-EUPC 400803 (A319 BA) 1912 20090908 BA07PW (LGW-PMI) G-TTOG 4009E3 (A320 U2) 1901 20090908 U2629W (
43 757ops : With the excellent BD A330 Longhaul product I would love to see them using the aircraft on longer sectors out of LHR. Maybe JNB, CPT, BKK, DXB, PEK ??
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