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DL Upgrading ATL-LIM To 777?  
User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6165 times:

My friend and I are travelling to LIM in Nov and I just noticed that her LIM-ATL flight is on a 777-200. Does DL do that well to LIM? or are there other factors at work for this upgrade? I find it odd as November is the off-season for Peru travel.

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User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6041 times:

Its only in there for 1 month 15NOV-15DEC then back to the 764 but as of now the flights look wide open.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11434 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5854 times:
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Quoting USFlyer MSP (Thread starter):
My friend and I are travelling to LIM in Nov and I just noticed that her LIM-ATL flight is on a 777-200. Does DL do that well to LIM?

LIM is a very good route for DL, where they got good loads and a very strong cargo operation, with the advantage of a single plane being used while deep South America routes (SCL, GIG, GRU and EZE) demands 2 planes.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

Agree with LipeGIG. LIM has been the leading cargo station for DL for quite a few years.


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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Wow, so up until December 15, the history of Delta on ATL-LIM has shown major progress. What was it something like:

1x 757
1x763 + occasional 757
1x 764
1x 764+ occasional 757
1x 777



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25145 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

And that cargo is ......Asparagus.

Peru is a huge exporter of asparagus to the US, and its export season really gets into high gear between October-Janaury.

Air freight capacity can be tight with lots of adhoc charters also used to move the crops to US markets.



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User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5501 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 4):

I have no idea but I went threw April after the DEC15th and its a 764


User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

As this is obviously just temporary, could DL also send a NW 333 or 332 to LIM? They seem like a more suitable replacement for a 764.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5256 times:



Quoting SPIM2EDDN (Reply 7):

I can happen, if downtime and the rotation calls for it. Seeing as how the A330s are being used now out of ATL; doubtful. But anything is possible.



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5074 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 1):
Its only in there for 1 month 15NOV-15DEC then back to the 764 but as of now the flights look wide open.

It could also be a chance to put the 764 into heavy mx, paint, etc.

Dave



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4956 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 9):
It could also be a chance to put the 764 into heavy mx, paint, etc

Could be the case, and this winter will reportedly be the first time in a while that DL will have some free 777s floating around.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4859 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
And that cargo is ......Asparagus.

Peru is a huge exporter of asparagus to the US, and its export season really gets into high gear between October-Janaury.

Air freight capacity can be tight with lots of adhoc charters also used to move the crops to US markets.

correct - but yields into the US are very low for cargo from LIM



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4830 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
Could be the case, and this winter will reportedly be the first time in a while that DL will have some free 777s floating around

or they could send the 777 for mx?

or will the 777 take over some 747 routes?

Dave



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4817 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 12):
or they could send the 777 for mx?

or will the 777 take over some 747 routes?

I honestly don't know. I am assuming that the 777 MX was accounted for when it was said that there would be slack in the fleet. And I've read passing references to 747s being parked on here, but I can't recall seeing any specifics. DL could do most anything they want I guess.



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4532 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 12):
or will the 777 take over some 747 routes



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
And I've read passing references to 747s being parked on here

- OK, stupid question. I know the terminal at ATL can handle the passengers easily but does DL have gates that are configured for 744s? Most international airports I have seen that have gates for the big frame usually have two jet ways to accommodate the "people flow."

David



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4008 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4520 times:
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Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 14):
- OK, stupid question. I know the terminal at ATL can handle the passengers easily but does DL have gates that are configured for 744s? Most international airports I have seen that have gates for the big frame usually have two jet ways to accommodate the "people flow."

David

Not at all stupid. Outside of the US, you'll find a great many airports utilized dual jetways for widebodies. Though, here in the US the norm has been a single jetway for all a/c. I believe the one airport to this exception right now is SFO. Otherwise, if there are dual jetways being used, it's at a 380 configured gate @ JFK & LAX.


User currently offlineDL_mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4452 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
And that cargo is ......Asparagus.

Peru is a huge exporter of asparagus to the US, and its export season really gets into high gear between October-Janaury.

correct - but yields into the US are very low for cargo from LIM

The pallets of Asparagus just sit on the ATL ramp for a little while, much of it gets sent to London.



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4443 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 15):
Outside of the US, you'll find a great many airports utilized dual jetways for widebodies.

- Thank you. I was thinking Europe and the Middle East off the top of my head.

David



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3309 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 15):
Not at all stupid. Outside of the US, you'll find a great many airports utilized dual jetways for widebodies. Though, here in the US the norm has been a single jetway for all a/c. I believe the one airport to this exception right now is SFO. Otherwise, if there are dual jetways being used, it's at a 380 configured gate @ JFK & LAX.

While less common than in other countries, UA has gates at ORD, DEN, LAX, and SFO that utilize multiple jetways to board a single flight.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3299 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 15):

Not at all stupid. Outside of the US, you'll find a great many airports utilized dual jetways for widebodies. Though, here in the US the norm has been a single jetway for all a/c. I believe the one airport to this exception right now is SFO. Otherwise, if there are dual jetways being used, it's at a 380 configured gate @ JFK & LAX.

NW 744s at MSP heading for NRT often use dual jet bridges as well for boarding, I would assume DTW would be the same way.

Jeremy


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3105 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 14):
- OK, stupid question. I know the terminal at ATL can handle the passengers easily but does DL have gates that are configured for 744s? Most international airports I have seen that have gates for the big frame usually have two jet ways to accommodate the "people flow."

They have 744 gates but with only one gateway. Right now ATL sees two 744s a day(DL to NRT and KE to ICN) and it was 3x daily with a DL 744 going to HNL.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10395 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3064 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 15):
Not at all stupid. Outside of the US, you'll find a great many airports utilized dual jetways for widebodies. Though, here in the US the norm has been a single jetway for all a/c. I believe the one airport to this exception right now is SFO. Otherwise, if there are dual jetways being used, it's at a 380 configured gate @ JFK & LAX.

Back in the 70s at ORD, DL used gate H-11A & B for the 747. I'm not sure how the international gates at ATL are configured. I do know that there were other carriers that came there that operated 747s.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32734 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2937 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
correct - but yields into the US are very low for cargo from LIM

And, outside of peak travel, passenger yields to Lima are very low, too.

But Lima performs so well for airlines during peak travel, that it usually makes up for its sub-par performance outside that time.



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User currently offlineOdysseus9001 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2910 times:

I also believe the December-early January loads are high on this route (as well as many other destinations) because of the holidays.

Remember, last year, DL was flying a -domestic- 767-400ER on this route, with nearly 300 seats. All the domestic 767-400ERs were converted into the international configuration this year, so they actually took seats out of the route when they did that.

I remember flying ATL-LIM several times during Dec 2008/Jan 2009 on a domestic 767-400ER and they had a full plane most of the time.

I'm glad they chose the 777 to run the additional capacity during this period. I like both the 767-400ER and 777.

J


User currently offlineRetrolivery From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

I flew DL ATL-LIM vv. in early August and the flights were oversold both ways. I noticed that many passengers had onward connections to the LA/SoCal Area as well as NRT (Peru having a pretty sizeable Japanese community). Onboard announcements were done in English, Spanish, and Japanese both ways- quite something for a South America flight, but not surprising when you consider the size of the community down there.

One question I've always wondered about though- why doesn't LIM have a direct connection to Japan? I believe it would be too far for a non-stop, but a one-stop same plane same flight no. connection between LIM and NRT I feel could do very well.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 25, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2807 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):

Mark could Delta make ATL-LIM 2x or 3x daily? not sure what the rules are for LIM.



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