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NW DC-10 Makes Emergency Landing At Manila On Sat.  
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Saturday April 28, 1:37 PM

Northwest Airlines Jet Makes Emergency Landing In Manila
MANILA (AP)--An oil leak forced a Northwest Airlines (NWAC) jet with 79 people on board to make an emergency landing at the Manila international airport Saturday, airport officials said.
The DC-10 jet, bound for Detroit from Kuala Lumpur, landed without incident at 10:47 (0247 GMT). It was to make a stop at Kansai International Airport in Japan, said Bing Lina, ground operations officer at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport.

Lina said the pilot decided to land the plane in Manila after oil leaked from its right engine. The plane carried 69 passengers and 10 crew members, he said.

Airline representatives said no immediate decision has been made on the flight plans for the passengers and crew.


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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

From that press release, it seems that there is only 69 passengers in the whole aircraft. Isn't that very low for any airline to operate on that route? Is NWA making a loss on that route? Rumors had it that they are planning to increase frequency or change the aircraft, but I guess with this load factor, I don't think NWA will further improve their Malaysian services. Now let's hope they won't suspend their services into Kuala Lumpur as well. Is the Kuala Lumpur route a major loss for airline?

Regards.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Since when did Northwest fly DC-10s on Transpacific flights from Detroit?

I always thought that 744s were used on those routes


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

I think the DC-10 was an equipment change. If that route is really going downhill to go from a 744 to a 10 then I think NWA should invest their time and money into another route or focus on their current ones and make this one either seasonal or cancel it all together.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

NWA utilizes B744 from Detroit to Osaka-Kansai. However, their onward journey to Kuala Lumpur (served 3 times weekly from Osaka) and to Kaoshiung (served 4 times weekly) are all served by DC-10. NWA should re-route it to their hub via NRT instead of via KIX. They do not serve a lot of US destinations from KIX, compared to that of NRT. Even ANA is not making money on the KIX-KUL route, but their hopes are high on the NRT-KUL route when they launch that route in July 2001.

There are rumors that NWA are going to increase their services to Kuala Lumpur, or at least upgrade their aircraft, but from the way I see it, it won't happen. Getting 69 passnegers on that route shows that the route itself is not very healthy. Their service into Kuala Lumpur is due to NWA and MAS partnership. So, I think eventhough NWA is making a loss on this route, they might not suspend it due to its relationship with MAS.

Cheers.


User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

MAS and NWA plan to integrate their M'sia - Japan services to improve their business. NWA has plans to upgrade their KUL service into a 747 service but this service may well be re-routed from NRT. NWA may well switch operations to NRT but continue to code-share with MAS on the KUL-KIX route to continue to offer connections for DTW and SEA.

They also plan to code-share on the KUL-NGO service.

NWA are struggling with their KUL operations and plans to make KUL a hub for their Southeast Asian operations with MAS as its feeder have been slow to materialise. Perhaps if MAS made a decision to commit to 'Wings' then perhaps NWA may inject further investment into its Malaysian operations. Meanwhile, KLM/NWA timetables also now show Northwest flights numbers on the AMS-KUL route.

KLM and MAS meanwhile are partnering each other very well on the AMS-KUL-OZ/NZ and KUL-AMS-N.European routes.


User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

I think MAS need to change their KUL-Japan schedules if they want to co-oridnate with NWA's schedules. They need to operate early morning flights into NGO, NRT and KIX in order for the passengers to have good connection time with NWA. As a matter of fact, they should really re-route their traffic via NRT instead, where the business are! MAS have daily morning departures to NRT, but I think they need to depart earlier from KUL and return late afternoon from NRT instead of leaving late morning from NRT.

If NWA are struggling with their KUL operations, how can they make it into a hub? MAS should really make up their mind on which alliance they are joining!!! And I still can't find NWA's flight number on AMS-KUL route.

Cheers.


User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

If you look at www.klm.com and look for flights between AMS-KUL you can find NW flight numbers there. They even track KL805/KL806 on their schedules with NW flight numbers. NW flight numbers also appear on KLIA's online live schedule.

User currently offlineTriple Seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

I frequent this route with NW. As a matter of fact I'll be fying DTW-KIX-KUL in about a week (May 7). On all my experiance on either NW070 or 069 (between KUL-KIX vv) that's the average load factor (60-100pax.). NW definitely sees KUL as an strategic asset to keep on flying. Most of the time the KLU-KIX route is handled by a DC-10-30ER, I flown on N226NW on this route 3 times vice versa. Does anyone know if its N226NW that was involved ??

- Triple Seven


User currently offlineDTW/ORD Fan! From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Triple Seven- What are the load factors on the DTW-KIX leg?? I have heard that the 744's to Asia out of DTW are packed daily and NW wants to expand routes from DTW to Asia.

User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Most NW flights to asia from the US are packed.

Most NW flights from US to Europe are packed april-september.

KUL is being flown for some reason. Maybe the cargo in the belly is really worth it, or they need it for the Malaysian alliance. NW doesn't ever stick with routes that are unprofitable, so this one must be making money somehow.


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

If KUL-KIX got poor load factor, what about Kaohsiung-Osaka?

User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Maybe Japan Airlines or ANA need to fly to Detroit from Japan so we can get more variety here (and competition) other than Northwest. That would bring the fares down and also see some Asian airlines flying to Detroit like Korean Air and ANA etc.

So what plane would replace the DC-10 on that route when it retires? The 753 or the A330?


User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

I read on here awhile back that due to the retirement of the DC-10 and the fact that the A330 doesnt have the range to fly SEA-KIX they would be switching SEA-KIX to a 747. Now the KIX-KUL-KIX is an extension of that flight so it would probably be a 747 also, unless they have a A330 or a 753 based in KIX permanently to fly those routes.

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Just out of interest, I took this pic of a NW DC-10 in Kuala Lumpur in January. I was surprised to find it so far from home.

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Photo © Charles Falk


By the way, this one was not N226NW, but N229NW.

Charles


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

I dont know what it is with NW. They have tried 2 or 3 times to do direct flights from HKG to the states and they have all failed. All we have is the once a day flight from Hong Kong to Tokyo served by those horrible 747-200's.

NW use 747-400's and CO use the 777-200 !!


User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Well, if there's only 60-100 pax on this plane, how can they make money? What is their full capacity of their DC10? About 200? Even that the load factor is less than 50%! There must be something to keep this route alive. The biggest probability is that their partnership with MAS. However, they started this route only about 2 years ago, so if it's not profitable, they would had expected it, since major airlines don't expect profits when they launch a new route. Maybe now it is being reviewed, and if the trend continue, NWA might just terminate this flight.

The DC-10 is permanently based in KIX, for operations to KUL and KHH. However, when they retire the DC-10, maybe they will use another aircraft? When are they going to reitre the DC-10 anyway? Will the A330 have PTVs in the Coach Class?

Cheers.


User currently offlineTriple Seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

I am not sure on the real figure but all the flights seems to be around 80-85% full. They are cramped on DTW-KIX sector.

- Triple Seven


User currently offlineBove From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

Why any sane human being would inflict NWA's pathetic service and ancient aircraft on themselves (KUL-KIX) when a MAS A333 is available is beyond me!

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (12 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

I think several people have hit the nail on the head as they say...

1. Northwest is keen to continue its KUL service having been granted anti-trust immunity to operate with Malaysia Airlines...part of its plan to cooperate more with KLM (since MAS is a major partner of KLM).

2. NWA's DC10s are in fact the only DC10s left flying into Malaysia and probably many parts of Asia and as such is seen as a poor competitor in terms of passenger comfort and airline operations.

3. There has been a lot of speculation about NWAs operations in Malaysia since although they have anti-trust immunity and supposedly code-share with MAS - there is little evidence that this actually happens today...?

4. KLM and MAS have a successful partnership that seems to benefit both parties but the partnership between NWA and MAS is still very much in the infancy - much like the markets between Southeast Asia and North America (in comparison to the Kangaroo route between Europe & Oz/Nz)

5. It would make sense for NWA to base an A330 at KUL to operate feeder services into KIX and NRT (basing them here would be cheaper esp. with the demise of parking fees at KUL) and operate it in conjuction with MAS' own Japanese services. Perhaps 2 A330s (one from each carrier) could be painted with NWA colours on one side and MAS on the other as an advertisement to the public of this service.

6. Its a shame that with this partnership MAS and NWA could offer Southeast Asia with a hub for onward flights to virtually every major city in North America (and v.v.)- but both parties seem half-hearted about commitment to each other.

Come ON, lets get 'Wings' off the ground!  Innocent


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User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

"All we have is the once a day flight from Hong Kong to Tokyo served by those horrible 747-200's."

What's your problem? Horrible 747-200s? Your dumb anti-Boeing posts are very annoying. You have no support for your theory on how the 742 is horrible. You are always making immature cracks about Boeing. Please do us all a favor and stop being an idiot.


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

whenever there is some incedent there are always very few people on board a very large aircraft (don't get me wrong it a good thing) whats with that???

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