Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
TSA Relaxes Liquid/Gel Rules  
User currently offlineSkyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15544 times:

When traveling this past week, the passenger in front of me at security had a quart size jug of maple syrup. He had put it in one of the plastic tubs to go through the x-ray machine. I asked one of the TSA screeners how it was possible for a passenger to take that through security. He said the liquid/gel rules recently changed.

According to that screener, passengers are now allowed to take containers of any size through security. The key is that the containers cannot appear to contain more than 3.4 ounces of a liquid or a gel. In the case of the quart jug of maple syrup, the screener said it must have been partially used. Apparently that determination is made by the person viewing the x-ray screen. I noticed that no one did a physical inspection of the jug even though it was sitting, plain as day, in the plastic tray.

66 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15507 times:

That is, quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard a TSA screener say. The following is taken from TSA's website (http://www.tsa.gov/311/index.shtm)

"3-1-1 for carry-ons = 3.4 ounce bottle or less (by volume) ; 1 quart-sized, clear, plastic, zip-top bag; 1 bag per passenger placed in screening bin. One-quart bag per person limits the total liquid volume each traveler can bring. 3.4 oz. container size is a security measure."

Notice the last line. I bet it was just a lazy and/or misinformed screener.


User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15498 times:

I just wish they could relax on the rule about "TICKETED PASSENGERS ONLY" too. I dont like that idea that they have that rule.  Sad (This is at the Security Checkpoint)


Bring JetBlue To Mexico City! (TLC and/or MEX would be great)
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8469 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15375 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting N623JB (Reply 2):
I just wish they could relax on the rule about "TICKETED PASSENGERS ONLY" too. I dont like that idea that they have that rule. (This is at the Security Checkpoint)

People without tickets do not belong beyond security. Airports are busy enough as it is!



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15282 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 3):
People without tickets do not belong beyond security. Airports are busy enough as it is!

Depends on what airport you are at. Come to PIT and see how busy it is.



Ground Ops, Southwest Airlines, CMH
User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15275 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 3):
People without tickets do not belong beyond security. Airports are busy enough as it is!

OK, I think this is dumb. Too many people want to meet friends..Let them go....


Back to topic, this must have been a judgement by the TSA officer. The "official" rules are quite clear -- 3 oz.


Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1545 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15145 times:

The last couple times I've traveled I've purposely left my liquids and gels out of the tray, just to see if anyone said anything. Granted, all items were within the allowed limits, so if I was 'caught' I would have been within the rules, but I was never once queried about whether or not I had any liquids or gels. It's a joke if you ask me. I swear next time I'm not even going to bother to pack a plastic bag because no one even bothers to ask if I have one! I feel somewhat bad because I know the rules and regs, but if they're not enforced then what's the point?

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8469 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14993 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting Davescj (Reply 5):
I think this is dumb.

Think what you like. No one except passengers have ever been allowed past security in this country and many others, and that's how it should be.



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14910 times:



Quoting N623JB (Reply 2):
I just wish they could relax on the rule about "TICKETED PASSENGERS ONLY" too.

 no  See below...

Quoting Andz (Reply 3):
People without tickets do not belong beyond security. Airports are busy enough as it is!

If you walk through the C concourse at any given time in SEA, it is busier than it was before 9/11. Same goes to all of the concourses in DEN and DCA.... Anyone wishing that the current rule should be done away with is crazy.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlinePart147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14897 times:



Quoting SkyguyB727 (Thread starter):
He said the liquid/gel rules recently changed.

The TSA at ORD took my toothpaste off me last year 'cos it wasn't in a plastic bag, do you think I'll be able to get it back now that the rules are more relaxed eh  Wink



It's better to ask a stupid question during training, rather than make a REALLY stupid mistake later on!
User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1662 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14839 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Think what you like. No one except passengers have ever been allowed past security in this country and many others, and that's how it should be.

Very, very incorrect. In the 1970s, up to the late 80s, anybody could go through security, In many cases, there was no security checkpoint at all and you could go right to the gate to meet a passenger or look at the airplanes.

The checkpoints were imposed to reduce the number of people in the gate areas and not for any security reasons.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14816 times:



Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 10):
The checkpoints were imposed to reduce the number of people in the gate areas and not for any security reasons.

Actually, it was imposed for both, ThirtyEcho.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3012 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14807 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR



Quoting Acey559 (Reply 6):
I swear next time I'm not even going to bother to pack a plastic bag because no one even bothers to ask if I have one!

I haven't been using the plastic bags for a long time as I've noticed that nobody really cares. They never "caught" me in at least 10 different airports, among them JFK and LHR where they put up a very strict attitude. There must be some "internal rule" not to be too strict on this, because I'm sure they could see the liquids on the X-ray.



Never trust a statistic you didn't fake yourself
User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14762 times:



Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 10):
Very, very incorrect.

I'm assuming he meant in South Africa, which I'm sure is true, though I'm not certain.



Proudly from the Home of the Red Tail.
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14713 times:



Quoting Aviationwiz (Reply 13):
I'm assuming he meant in South Africa, which I'm sure is true, though I'm not certain.

At AMS I also do not remember ever non pax having access after security. And I've been using AMS since the 80's. I agree that only pax belong after security. If you want to say goodbye, do it before security, it's that simple.



L1011,733,734,73G,738,743,744,752,763,772,77W,DC855,DC863,DC930,DC950,MD11,MD88,306,319,320,321,343,346,ARJ85,CR7,E195
User currently offlineGFFgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14631 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
Think what you like. No one except passengers have ever been allowed past security in this country and many others, and that's how it should be.

In Indonesian international airports only ticketed passengers and airport employees are allowed as far as check-in. The airports were designed that way. No ticket, no entry.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14576 times:



Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 10):

Very, very incorrect. In the 1970s, up to the late 80s, anybody could go through security, In many cases, there was no security checkpoint at all and you could go right to the gate to meet a passenger or look at the airplanes.

Even in the 90s. At MIA, I used to go pick up my dad when he was commuting weekly between YUL and MIA on DL (concourse H). This was in 1993 and 1994. Anyone could go through, ticket or no ticket. In fact, it was really funny to see all the desembarking passenger's faces being bombarded by those of us waiting for the flight in the terminal area.


User currently offlineRedcenterflyer From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14513 times:

In the United states, at Domestic gates, anybody without a ticket could get through security. At international arrival gates or international terminals, only ticketed flyers can get through. This was up until 2001. I don't know how long only ticketed flyers could get into international arrival/departure gates in the usa though. At airports like AMS, I assume there is none if any domestic departures, that is why only ticketed flyers can get through.

Living in Australia, I think it is great that anybody can get into the airport (except international terminals) to meet incoming friends/family or wave to them as they jet off into the wild blue yonder. However, in the us, I do not know how airports coped in the past. flying through LAX, DEN,DFW, SFO, the airports are so packed with ticketed flyers, I couldn't imagine another addition of 1/3 of the people in there. Amazing.


I called Qantas the other day when I flew about my liquids and they said they don't check them on domestic flights in OZ any more. However, the signs are still up at security. I didn't get stopped two weeks ago when I flew


User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14222 times:



Quoting N623JB (Reply 2):
I just wish they could relax on the rule about "TICKETED PASSENGERS ONLY" too.

No way. Not only are airport concourses horrifically crowded (i.e. SEA, LAX), but checkpoints are a mess now (i.e. LAX T1). Go look at airplanes elsewhere. Why do you want to go inside the secure area anyway? So you can eat at the overpriced HMS Host places?

Quoting Davescj (Reply 5):
The "official" rules are quite clear -- 3 oz.

They changed it, actually, to make it match with the 100 mL rule. It's 3.4 fl oz.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 12):

I haven't been using the plastic bags for a long time as I've noticed that nobody really cares. They never "caught" me in at least 10 different airports

Same here. I never take my bag out. The only airport I've been "caught" at, is PHX. I just roll my eyes and let them tell me how safe they're making my flight by making sure my shampoo isn't a dangerous 4.1 fl oz.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13715 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

All this talk about whether anyone should be allowed through a security checkpoint has hijacked this thread.

As to the original point of this thread, so far nobody can confirm that there has been any relaxation of the TSA rules whatsoever! It would appear to be untrue!


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13508 times:



Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 10):
The checkpoints were imposed to reduce the number of people in the gate areas and not for any security reasons.

IIRC, the Unitd States is the only country in the World that I have been too Iand I've been to a lot of them), that allowed non-tickets people into the gate area pre 9/11. The excuse that anyone needs to go there to meet and greet is ridiculous. You can meet and geet your friends and family landside.


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1595 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13234 times:

Personally I too have noticed at many airports, the TSA inspectors are not even asking if you have liquids or telling you to remove them from you bags. It almost seemed to me that the rule was being relaxed somewhat but not made public.


721,2,732,3,4,5,G,8,9,741,2,3,4,752,3,762,3,4,772,3,788,D93,5,M80,D10,M11,L10,100,AB6,319,20,21,332,3,346,388,146,CR2,7,
User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7367 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13085 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Save yourself the hassle from the screener and FedEx it back home and help grow my 401(k).  rotfl 

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13051 times:

Actually the rules are not relaxed. The 3-1-1 rule is still in effect. They are talking the end of 2010 in order to possibly relax the rules.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1407 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13018 times:

Before 9/11 and after e-ticketing started you didn't have a ticket, until you checked in - which you normally did at the gate.

After 9/11 online check in & lobby kiosks became real popular.


I got SSSSS'd last year (one way ticket bought just hours before travel) and the TSA 'officer' did not bother to take my liquid bag out. I pointed this out and he said it was OK.


25 Wahdadli : Well is there really much point to the Liquids and Gel rule? I have never seen the point to it. If I had a liquid or gel explosive I could just take o
26 N1120A : Actually, 100 ml, despite our country's refusal to acknowledge that we have already gone metric (not that I like metric better) Actually, it was up u
27 SNA752 : It seems like one of the most pointless rules around. Why couldn't you just take a bunch of things in 100ml bottles and put them in one container aft
28 Etoile : The number of people permitted in the gate area is related to security and should be considered the same reason - to reduce the number of people who
29 PacNWjet : I was at the airport in Missoula, Montana in July. An elderly gentleman who obviously hadn't flown in years did not have his liquids and gels in a pl
30 PITops : People wishing to go thru security to meet loved ones can get a gate pass most of the time anyways.
31 Odysseus9001 : The lines at security are long enough without doubling the wait or paying more to have more screeners. Friends and family are happy to wait for me ju
32 Terryb99 : In many Asian airports, you cannot even get in the door without a ticket. MNL is an example. They do the ID/ticket check before you get in.
33 Antonovman : The only 2 countries in the world i know of that allowed passengers in the gate areas were the USA and Australia
34 Viscount724 : At AMS (referring to pre-Schengen agreement days) and most airports in the world other than the US and Canada you had to clear passport control after
35 AirframeAS : I have not seen that since 2002. They stopped doing that around that time.
36 Post contains links Silentbob : Agree with the rule or not, there is no reason to be "that guy". The rule is what it is and complaining to someone that had no input on the rule does
37 UN_B732 : At IAD (reclearing security in the C terminal) I had a half full bottle of Lacoste cologne, but since it was over 3.4oz container it was confiscated.
38 AFGMEL : Nope. To this day you can go to the gate here - obviously via security.
39 Jhooper : 3.4 oz = 100ml 3.4oz has always been the rule; they just put up those "3-1-1" signs because it makes a cute slogan.
40 FutureFO : You can only get a gatepass if you are meeting a UM or other special needs passengers.
41 PITops : TSA in PIT sends everyone and their mothers back up to the ticket counters for passes.
42 SkyguyB727 : A few years ago, I had a TSA screener tell me that any empty container that, at any time in the past, held more than 3.4 ounces of liquid was forbidd
43 SkyguyB727 : I've noticed that there is no signage change at my local airport, but TSA screeners themselves told me that the rules were just relaxed within the la
44 GFFgold : As others have observed, the rule itself was something of a knee-jerk reaction to one particular terrorist plot and I think it has outlived its useful
45 Pliersinsight : As was the 25 minute delay my small bottle of Pepto Bismol caused at EDI because it was a 125ml bottle, but partially consumed, which apparently requ
46 Alphaomega : The "ticketed passengers only" rule is not a security rule, but simply a matter of reducing wait times. There is always a debate about who goes throu
47 DocLightning : There are advantages and disadvanatages to each system. It makes simpler for children and passengers who need special assistance and it brings revenu
48 Md80fanatic : I'm not crazy. Actually it was imposed to acclimate the public to being ordered around by power-hungry people in uniform. Now the police are getting
49 AirframeAS : No one is being power hungry. The U.S. Government did the one correct thing that should have been implemented a very long time ago: Restrict the conc
50 DiscoverCSG : 8 days ago, my whole family was at PIT to greet my sister, who was arriving home from military training. I told my mother (who was exceptionally eage
51 FrontLinerWN : I couldn't agree more! The gate areas of many airports can barely handle the PAXs about to board an A/C. Also, if flights are running behind schedule
52 Ckfred : I do. I have a 6-year old son. If you go to ORD, the cell phone lot is quite a ways from the approach to 27 L/departure pattern for 9R. You can't see
53 AirframeAS : There are rules set aside for UM's traveling alone. You already know this. You can get a security pass from the airline. I don't have a problem with
54 AFGMEL : This is only an opinion, but in mine, if you can't carry it, you shouldn't pack it.
55 AirNz : Just curious, but what has the cell phone lot being quite a way from the approach to 27L got to do with the subject under discussion, that you have a
56 Copter808 : Ah, yes, I love MNL. It nearly always confuses the security guards at the door to the terminal when I have half-a-dozen ZED tickets from/to various l
57 Mayor : Not to hijack this thread (again), but I can remember, pre-9/11, when I worked at SLC and the LDS families would be able to go to the gate to see off
58 MD80fanatic : And we were told this measure was to limit the chance of a "terrorist" getting access to aircraft, but in reality it is because terminal staff apprec
59 Mayor : The reduced workloads are just a byproduct of the measure. I sincerely doubt that it was put in place just because the "staff" thought they were work
60 AirNz : A completely ludicrous, and laughable, mindset. What unconstitutional behaviour are you referring to?
61 UALWN : I went through one of them at DCA (I think) in 2006. First and last time I've seen one of these machines that can detect liquids. Although now that I
62 TSS : I was just about to ask that question myself. To what "continuing unconstitutional behavior" are you referring, MD80fanatic?
63 PanAm330 : That would piss me off. That stuff isn't cheap. That, and every time I travel, I have a bottle of cologne that's usually about half full and have nev
64 FrontLinerWN : I am not sure either what you're referring to by "unconstitutional behavior?" I believe as far as terrorism goes, the less people that go through the
65 AirframeAS : Just out of curiousity and avoiding to flamebait you but, MD80Fanatic.... who said it was unconstitutional and where did you come up with that silly
66 F9fan : I remember there were a rash of hijackings back in the late '70s. Most were of various east coast flights and were rerouted to HAV for whatever reaso
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
New TSA Liquid Rules Still Not Updated In Malaysia posted Sat Oct 7 2006 22:04:59 by Malaysia
TSA Gains Intelligent Life; May Repeal Liquid Ban! posted Fri Oct 3 2008 04:58:13 by Luv2cattlecall
Live Fish & TSA Liquid Ban posted Mon Dec 4 2006 08:10:24 by AJMIA
TSA To Partially Relax Liquid Restrictions posted Mon Sep 25 2006 16:21:39 by Cory6188
TSA Rules On Refrigerated Meds? posted Wed Sep 20 2006 14:24:03 by Wedgetail737
TSA Rules On Refugee/charter Flights posted Thu Sep 8 2005 23:12:45 by FLAIRPORT
TSA Rules About Liquor In Airports? posted Mon Nov 22 2004 22:32:15 by BCAInfoSys
TSA Baggage Rules Affect Flights From Abroad? posted Sun Mar 23 2003 04:26:52 by Speedbirdyvr
WTO Rules Launch Aid For Airbus Was Illegal: Report posted Fri Sep 4 2009 11:48:57 by Revelation
Why Was N168AM At TSA 08/23? posted Mon Aug 24 2009 02:11:04 by Brenintw