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China 747 Spotting: Grand Canyon Airport  
User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1921 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13654 times:

In addition to the thread talking about the China 744 visit to PHX, it appears that the same aircraft made a visit to the Grand Canyon Aiport! Not the first 747 into there as I believe Air Force One has been in there too on a few occasions...I bet that raised a few campers eyebrows!! Anyone with photos???

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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13326 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Thread starter):
I bet that raised a few campers eyebrows!! Anyone with photos???

I bet it did too!! WOW! I need to make a few calls and see if I can find some pics.



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User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13235 times:

That would be a site to see.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KGCN


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11582 times:

With an altitude of such a field, what kind of weight restrictions would be placed on a 747?


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User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11060 times:

I doubt there would be any weight restrictions, they didn't have much fuel on board, and certainly not many passengers

User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10991 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Thread starter):
Not the first 747 into there as I believe Air Force One has been in there too on a few occasions...

It was just there in August with President Obama on board...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENnn8NlS-fo



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User currently offlineSkyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10866 times:

And I thought it was a big deal years ago when I saw a Republic DC-9 land there!

User currently offlineB2468 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9931 times:



Quoting FLYjoe (Reply 2):

The list of arrivals at GCN lists a flight CCA18 and CAA18, both departing PDX at 0931 MST, but arriving at GCN four minutes apart, both on 744 equipment.

Were there two 747s at GCN, or was this a typo?

CAA (Atlantic Southeast Airlines) does not operate 747s. Could CAA be some sort of ad hoc code for the CAAC (Civil Aviation Administration of China)?



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User currently offlineNBGSkyGod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8251 times:



Quoting B2468 (Reply 7):
The list of arrivals at GCN lists a flight CCA18 and CAA18, both departing PDX at 0931 MST, but arriving at GCN four minutes apart, both on 744 equipment.

Were there two 747s at GCN, or was this a typo?

Looks like dispatch made a typo since the outbound flight was CCA18. This happens alot more than people like to admit. I was not there, but more than likely there was only 1 747 at GCN that day.



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User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6026 times:

Looks like it's been a busy a/c over the past week or so, starting in Havana and now on its way to Andrews AFB today.

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

I know the runway there is long.
Its not a Poe-dunk USA-sized piece of concrete. More like it was built for the heavy metal.
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User currently offlineMHO From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Not good enough for A.net, but here's a pic of Air Force 1 at Grand Canyon last month. We happened to be visiting the canyon the same day.


Big version: Width: 512 Height: 341 File size: 125kb


I couldn't beleive that big beast could land there, but land it did, with room to spare!



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2455 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4185 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 10):
I know the runway there is long.
Its not a Poe-dunk USA-sized piece of concrete. More like it was built for the heavy metal.

8999 X 150 ft - asphalt/ grooved, in good condition.



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9EO0D9I5OM

...for reference. This lightly loaded 747 (the Evergreen Supertanker) was easily able to land and takeoff from my hometown airport - CYQL (Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada). So, obviously 8999 feet is more than adequate at the Grand Canyon!



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

CI used to land here at BNA on a +/- 8,000 foot runway almost everyday for a number of years. 8,000 feet is plenty for a 747, even a heavily loaded 747. I will admit though, I spoke to a CI pilot once at BNA who landed on runway 20R (7,773 feet long) and he said that landing on that runway takes everybit of the stopping power a loaded 744 has. Ironically, this is the runway they used the most alongside runway 13-30 which is right at 11,000 feet long. LOL!! They would often takeoff on this runway (20R-2L) as well along with AF1 using it almost everytime. Very fun to watch!

Currently, this runway is under reconstruction and won't open for a few months atleast. This is the oldest runway at BNA.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6296 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3521 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 14):
8,000 feet is plenty for a 747, even a heavily loaded 747

Grand Canyon is a hell of a lot higher and warner than Nashville though. However, an empty 747 can take off from MZJ on a 105 degree day so GCN would not be a problem for these light 747s.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25473 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3279 times:



Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 13):
This lightly loaded 747 (the Evergreen Supertanker) was easily able to land and takeoff from my hometown airport - CYQL (Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada). So, obviously 8999 feet is more than adequate at the Grand Canyon!

However GCN airport is 6,609 feet above sea level, more than 1,000 ft. higher than "mile-high" DEN, and DEN has no runway shorter than 12,000 ft., and the longest 16,000 ft.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3207 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 14):
CI used to land here at BNA on a +/- 8,000 foot runway almost everyday for a number of years. 8,000 feet is plenty for a 747, even a heavily loaded 747.

The only way that was able to work is most of the freight loads are coming into the states. The China Airlines cargo 747-400F would not have much freight on it departing, otherwise that runway length for taking off would be an issue if it had big loads and a lot of fuel


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3093 times:



Quoting 413X3 (Reply 17):
The China Airlines cargo 747-400F would not have much freight on it departing, otherwise that runway length for taking off would be an issue if it had big loads and a lot of fuel

There were days it went out of BNA full. I knew the station manager there.

They never had to put much fuel in it because it would continue on to ORD, IAH, DFW, or SFO from BNA. Never did they leave with a full load of Jet A. Trust me, 8,000 feet is plenty.



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User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

That explains it then. What do you mean full though, what would their lbs load be?

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