AirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2091 posts, RR: 23 Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7870 times:
Ryanair now offers free tickets in the Nordic region for the SAS administration to help them understand what modern passengers want and what low-cost is about.
Right now the cheapest SAS fare is 495SEK while the cheapest Ryanair air fare is at 55SEK.
That is, according to Erik Elmsäter, why Ryanair had 1,1 million passengers more this August compared to last August, while SAS had 400.000 pax less compared to last year.
KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7664 times:
Haha, this is so great! Perfect marketing, super!
I must admit that I don't fly anymore for less then 20 euro oneway, incl taxes. Live is too good with Ryanair. Almost every other weekend a fun daytrip, or weekend trip.
" The European consumer would crawl naked over broken glass to get low fares." Michael O'Leary
JU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7170 times:
Well can someone who actually flew both SAS and Ryanair tell me the difference in the product? I mean, there has to be some other reason why SK charges so much more I assume they offer a more comfortable ride and a better product...?
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4248 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7077 times:
We have discussed the reasons why FR is successful in many thousand threads here, and such marketing gags are one of them, having new aircraft another, being on time a third, no bad food the fourth, and having really cheap fares the remaing hundreds. Any airline manager should learn his lessons from them - but there are many needs a Ryanair model cannot serve and need full network carriers.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7771 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6992 times:
I am a modern passenger and I appreciate all real innovation. The fact that I can book myself over the net, great, print my boarding pass at home or use a kiosk, splendid. Getting the boarding pass over the cellphone brilliant ,oops, does FR have that? Automatoic self boarding, superb (again, does FR have that?)
No unrealistic restrictions on the weight of checked and carry-on baggage is what a modern passenger really wants. I do not want to be "trained" by an airline to suit their understanding of how a passenger should be. Paying by credit card saves the carrier administration costs, why should I pay for the use of a credit card? Why should I pay excessive charges for checking in baggage? I haven't paid overweight bagagge as long as I can remember never.
FR may consider themselves a modern airline because the Aldiised travel by air, but I don't shop at Aldi either. I want to pay a bit more and get better quality and better service.
Sure, this is a PR stunt as we are used from FR and we do MOL a favour again by discussing it. But if I were at SK management I'd make my own PR stunt about this and tell passengers how mmuch better SK is over the guys who want brain-washed and trained monkeys to fly with them.
SKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1327 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6518 times:
Well let's compare British Airways and SAS on a daytime Copenhagen - London Heathrow flight in January:
Price British Airways - £100 rtn
Price SAS - £140 rtn
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Baggage allowance British Airways - 23kg
Baggage allowance SAS - 20kg
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Equipment British Airways - A320-200
Equipment SAS - MD82
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Onboard service British Airways - Complimentary drinks and snacks
Onboard service SAS - By onboard food service
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Arrival Terminal British Airways - Terminal 5
Arrival Terminal SAS - Terminal 3
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I know that this is a Ryanair versus SAS thread but seeing as SAS is a legacy carrier I thought it would be fair to compare them with another legacy carrier and as you can see British Airways wins hands down.
I can't believe that SAS can charge such high prices when they offer a service in economy that is equivilant to many low cost carriers. The biggest difference is a free baggage allowance and the ability to earn frequent flyer points.
Also on Transatlantic flights SAS is a total rip off. It is in most cases a lot cheaper for Scandinavians to transfer via London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt or Paris than to fly SAS CPH-EWR or ARN-EWR.
I really think that SAS needs new management that can actually steer them towards profitability as opposed to destroying the airline by making cuts that affect the average traveller.
Next Flights: LHR-OSL (319), OSL-LHR (321), LHR-ARN (320), ARN-VXO (S34), VXO-BMA (ATP), ARN-LHR (763), LHR-CPH (320), C
Noelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6351 times:
Look at it another way.
We recently had to visit Haugesund, Norway, twice.
SAS = either LHR-BGO-HAU (12 hrs with connections), LHR-OSL-HAU (8 hrs with connections), or MAN-OSL-HAU (but no return flight that route, have to go via HAU-OSL-CPH-MAN). Price = over £250.
FR = Direct STN-HAU in 90 minutes, price = £70 each.
You can tell which one we chose!
I appreciate this is only one example, but it is a lot more convenient to hop on a plane and be there in 90 minutes, and at a fraction of the price.
Noelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6255 times:
Quoting JU068 (Reply 12): @Noelg
But don't you think it's not really reasonable to compare the two airlines when one is a direct flight and the other one a connection?
But that's exactly my point - FR are a lot more convenient when you need to get to these places. Look at BES. Alternative is a 4 hr flight on AF with traumatic connection at CDG. FR fly direct from LTN to BES.
Neither are particularly small "backwards" places, in fact both are reasonably sized towns or cities.
Also, don't forget the people in these "out of the way" places who can now fly cheaply to London or Dublin from their local airport. Many people in Haugesund use the Ryanair link to go to London for cheap shopping (compared to Norway I guess). Usually the flights are full of Norwegians rather than Brits.
JU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5846 times:
@Noelg
Sure I get that, it makes sense... All I was trying to do is compare lowcost to legacy on the same route...
But then again I don't know to how many central airports does ryanair fly to... probably not many
I flew twice in my life on a low cost, Sterling and Vueling and after that I always try to fly legacy...
Like last year I went to BCN from BEG. I took LX via ZRH and the ticket came out to be 177 euros with the taxes...
My friends live in Shieffield so they took Ryanair from London. With all the expenses of them getting the train into London spending the night at the airport and then finally taking the bus to Barcelona from Girona... came about to the same price, even more with the trip back to Girona.
But I left BEG at 14:40 and by 19:30 I was in Barcelona.... I didn't need to travel for about an hour or so to get into the city or better the hotel...
For me, low cost is only an option if everything else fails...
Plus can we really compare LX's service to Ryanair's....?
CPHGuard From Denmark, joined Jun 2006, 254 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4823 times:
I flew LCY-CPH earlier today with SAS.
Return fare was 180.00£, and I booked the ticket one week in advance. A comparable ticket with a LCC was around 35£ less, but I would get an addtional cost with the train if I chose that option, so the price was about the same.
Door to door (I live in Copenhagen) it took exactly 4.5 hours, and it would have taken at least 2-3 hours longer flying with the LCC.
Another thing, that people often forget is, that if something goes wrong (and sometimes it does) you don't want to be flying with a LCC.
I remember once that an EasyJet aircraft went tech in CPH, the passengers were told to come back the next day, and they would try to fit them in on the flight 24 hours later. People came from far away with children, and asked EasyJet to put them in a hotel. EasyJet didn't want to, so family's with children had to sleep on the floor in the airport.
With SAS, they would have been sleeping at The Copenhagen Hilton.
Once I had a SAS flight that went tech for 2 hours.l We had meal vouchers, and were told to come back for more vouchers if the flight got any more delayed. That's just good service.
If the price difference is massive, I would probably choose an LCC myself, but never ever when theres only a 20-30% difference, which often turn out to be is even less, when you think about what you have to pay for with the LCC's.
AirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2091 posts, RR: 23 Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4818 times:
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 9): I really think that SAS needs new management that can actually steer them towards profitability as opposed to destroying the airline by making cuts that affect the average traveller.
Not only a new management, but hopefully a new owner as well. I hope Lufthansa will buy them.. if that doesn't happen and SAS continues to run this poorly, then I think they deserve to die. I think Ryanair is right when they say that SAS is like a dinosaur unable to adapt to modern world.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24905 posts, RR: 60 Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4755 times:
Quoting Bt001 (Reply 2): - so you choose fares of more than 20EUR? Â
LOL...
The thing with FR is that those €20 fares are rarely available . I have been looking at FR fares for UK destinations over the next few weeks and they are often triple that eachway.
Ferroviarius From Norway, joined Mar 2007, 178 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4686 times:
Good afternoon,
I think there are a number of arguments, which will nevertheless make me fly SAS and not only avoid Ryan Air but any low cost carrier:
a)
I often have to go to a provincial airport in the US, at which the trip includes some transfers, e.g. at ORD (as long as they went there in SEA) or in EWR. Having a through ticket in Economy Extra or Economy, I can demand from SAS that they get me at my final destination at what so ever cost for them in case I miss my scheduled connection.
b)
I am quite sure SAS staff has an acceptable salary and social security. I doubt, Ryan Air staff comes close to that.
AirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2091 posts, RR: 23 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4424 times:
BTW Ive never flown with Ryanair and I don't want to either. I've heard too much bad about them, and they seem to hide fees everywhere. One month ago I flew with LH on CPH-FRA-DUB and the service was excellent. Sandwich and a soft drink included on both flights. I then flew with SAS back DUB-CPH. Nothing included for free. Then I'd rather fly with easyjet (on other routes to and from CPH) same service level but a more modern aircraft and most definitely cheaper too.
XaraB From Norway, joined Aug 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3953 times:
IIRC, SAS completed a ground handling improvement program a while ago, which aimed at making SAS one of the most on-time carriers in the world. AFAIK, they have been the most punctual airline in Europe for a couple of months. That's worth paying a little for...
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18832 posts, RR: 54 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3496 times:
My wife is flying EMA-NTE and PIS-STN at the end of this month to visit some friends. She paid a total of £14. With each sector probably around an hour, it's dead cheap and dead quick. I can imagine how long, expensive and inconvenient it would have been 15 years ago! Â
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"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
25 Borism: I'd love to know that too. Norwegian seems to be quite nice LCC. You can demand, and they will comply because you have a trough ticket. Dream on that
26 SKAirbus: Yes but how much time will be spent getting to and from the airport? The thing that really gets me with LCCs is that they advertise airports as belon
27 Pe@rson: One friend lives in Nantes, the other in Poitiers. I have had two cancelled FR flights: one due to a French ATC strike and one due to very heavy snow
28 Shankly: But MOL does have a soft spot for Pe@rson; probably laid on a limo as well FR is of course quite right to focus on SAS, which is maybe 10/15 years be
29 Ferroviarius: Yes, Boris, and no. I am prepared to pay a higher price for the ticket if this allows the airline to pay it staff a good salary. I am not a citizen o
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