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Ryanair Offers Free Tickets For SAS Administration  
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8760 times:

Ryanair now offers free tickets in the Nordic region for the SAS administration to help them understand what modern passengers want and what low-cost is about.

Right now the cheapest SAS fare is 495SEK while the cheapest Ryanair air fare is at 55SEK.

That is, according to Erik Elmsäter, why Ryanair had 1,1 million passengers more this August compared to last August, while SAS had 400.000 pax less compared to last year.

Sorry, news in Danish only:

http://www.bt.dk/danmark/ryanair-provokerer-igen-sas-toppen



Typical Ryanair...

29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8554 times:

Haha, this is so great! Perfect marketing, super!

I must admit that I don't fly anymore for less then 20 euro oneway, incl taxes. Live is too good with Ryanair. Almost every other weekend a fun daytrip, or weekend trip.



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineBt001 From Latvia, joined Aug 2006, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8158 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
I must admit that I don't fly anymore for less then 20 euro oneway, incl taxes.

- so you choose fares of more than 20EUR?  Smile


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8060 times:

Well can someone who actually flew both SAS and Ryanair tell me the difference in the product? I mean, there has to be some other reason why SK charges so much more I assume they offer a more comfortable ride and a better product...?

User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8048 times:
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Quoting JU068 (Reply 3):
SK charges so much more I assume they offer a more comfortable ride and a better product...?

Not in the MD-87 i flew from CPN - GVA. It was old, and beaten down. But it flew safely!



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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

So then why should someone pay more and fly SAS? Unless he is part of Miles & More

User currently offlineLX001 From Austria, joined Jun 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8017 times:

Maybe because SAS dosn't fly to the "pampas" airports (I don't mean that negative) that Ryanair fly...

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4361 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7967 times:

We have discussed the reasons why FR is successful in many thousand threads here, and such marketing gags are one of them, having new aircraft another, being on time a third, no bad food the fourth, and having really cheap fares the remaing hundreds. Any airline manager should learn his lessons from them - but there are many needs a Ryanair model cannot serve and need full network carriers.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8741 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7882 times:

I am a modern passenger and I appreciate all real innovation. The fact that I can book myself over the net, great, print my boarding pass at home or use a kiosk, splendid. Getting the boarding pass over the cellphone brilliant ,oops, does FR have that? Automatoic self boarding, superb (again, does FR have that?)

No unrealistic restrictions on the weight of checked and carry-on baggage is what a modern passenger really wants. I do not want to be "trained" by an airline to suit their understanding of how a passenger should be. Paying by credit card saves the carrier administration costs, why should I pay for the use of a credit card? Why should I pay excessive charges for checking in baggage? I haven't paid overweight bagagge as long as I can remember never.


FR may consider themselves a modern airline because the Aldiised travel by air, but I don't shop at Aldi either. I want to pay a bit more and get better quality and better service.

Sure, this is a PR stunt as we are used from FR and we do MOL a favour again by discussing it. But if I were at SK management I'd make my own PR stunt about this and tell passengers how mmuch better SK is over the guys who want brain-washed and trained monkeys to fly with them.



.



I'm not fishing for compliments
User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7408 times:

Well let's compare British Airways and SAS on a daytime Copenhagen - London Heathrow flight in January:

Price British Airways - £100 rtn

Price SAS - £140 rtn

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Baggage allowance British Airways - 23kg

Baggage allowance SAS - 20kg

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Equipment British Airways - A320-200

Equipment SAS - MD82

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Onboard service British Airways - Complimentary drinks and snacks

Onboard service SAS - By onboard food service

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Arrival Terminal British Airways - Terminal 5

Arrival Terminal SAS - Terminal 3

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I know that this is a Ryanair versus SAS thread but seeing as SAS is a legacy carrier I thought it would be fair to compare them with another legacy carrier and as you can see British Airways wins hands down.

I can't believe that SAS can charge such high prices when they offer a service in economy that is equivilant to many low cost carriers. The biggest difference is a free baggage allowance and the ability to earn frequent flyer points.

Also on Transatlantic flights SAS is a total rip off. It is in most cases a lot cheaper for Scandinavians to transfer via London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt or Paris than to fly SAS CPH-EWR or ARN-EWR.

I really think that SAS needs new management that can actually steer them towards profitability as opposed to destroying the airline by making cuts that affect the average traveller.



Next Flights: LHR-LBA (319-SK), MAN-ARN (736-SK), ARN-LHR (763-BA), LHR-CPH (CR9-SK), CPH-LHR (320-SK), LHR-IAH (744-BA)
User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7317 times:

when did SAS introduce the low cost business plan?
And how is Ryanair affecting Norwegian, how do they compete? And who is winning?
thanks


User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7241 times:

Look at it another way.

We recently had to visit Haugesund, Norway, twice.

SAS = either LHR-BGO-HAU (12 hrs with connections), LHR-OSL-HAU (8 hrs with connections), or MAN-OSL-HAU (but no return flight that route, have to go via HAU-OSL-CPH-MAN). Price = over £250.

FR = Direct STN-HAU in 90 minutes, price = £70 each.

You can tell which one we chose!

I appreciate this is only one example, but it is a lot more convenient to hop on a plane and be there in 90 minutes, and at a fraction of the price.


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7175 times:

@Noelg
But don't you think it's not really reasonable to compare the two airlines when one is a direct flight and the other one a connection?


User currently offlineSandager From Denmark, joined May 2007, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7162 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 9):
Onboard service British Airways - Complimentary drinks and snacks

Didn't BA stop complimentary drinks and snacks recently?


User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7145 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 12):
@Noelg
But don't you think it's not really reasonable to compare the two airlines when one is a direct flight and the other one a connection?

But that's exactly my point - FR are a lot more convenient when you need to get to these places. Look at BES. Alternative is a 4 hr flight on AF with traumatic connection at CDG. FR fly direct from LTN to BES.

Neither are particularly small "backwards" places, in fact both are reasonably sized towns or cities.

Also, don't forget the people in these "out of the way" places who can now fly cheaply to London or Dublin from their local airport. Many people in Haugesund use the Ryanair link to go to London for cheap shopping (compared to Norway I guess). Usually the flights are full of Norwegians rather than Brits.


User currently onlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3930 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7045 times:



Quoting Sandager (Reply 13):
Didn't BA stop complimentary drinks and snacks recently?

No. The back end catering has gone down a bit, but the drinks are still free and unlimited


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6736 times:

@Noelg
Sure I get that, it makes sense... All I was trying to do is compare lowcost to legacy on the same route...
But then again I don't know to how many central airports does ryanair fly to... probably not many

I flew twice in my life on a low cost, Sterling and Vueling and after that I always try to fly legacy...
Like last year I went to BCN from BEG. I took LX via ZRH and the ticket came out to be 177 euros with the taxes...
My friends live in Shieffield so they took Ryanair from London. With all the expenses of them getting the train into London spending the night at the airport and then finally taking the bus to Barcelona from Girona... came about to the same price, even more with the trip back to Girona.
But I left BEG at 14:40 and by 19:30 I was in Barcelona.... I didn't need to travel for about an hour or so to get into the city or better the hotel...
For me, low cost is only an option if everything else fails...

Plus can we really compare LX's service to Ryanair's....?  Wink


User currently offlineFlyingBird From Sweden, joined Mar 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6208 times:

SAS administration has accepted the offer from Ryanair.
SAS will be flying Ryanair soon  Smile


User currently offlineCPHGuard From Denmark, joined Jun 2006, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

I flew LCY-CPH earlier today with SAS.

Return fare was 180.00£, and I booked the ticket one week in advance. A comparable ticket with a LCC was around 35£ less, but I would get an addtional cost with the train if I chose that option, so the price was about the same.

Door to door (I live in Copenhagen) it took exactly 4.5 hours, and it would have taken at least 2-3 hours longer flying with the LCC.

Another thing, that people often forget is, that if something goes wrong (and sometimes it does) you don't want to be flying with a LCC.

I remember once that an EasyJet aircraft went tech in CPH, the passengers were told to come back the next day, and they would try to fit them in on the flight 24 hours later. People came from far away with children, and asked EasyJet to put them in a hotel. EasyJet didn't want to, so family's with children had to sleep on the floor in the airport.
With SAS, they would have been sleeping at The Copenhagen Hilton.
Once I had a SAS flight that went tech for 2 hours.l We had meal vouchers, and were told to come back for more vouchers if the flight got any more delayed. That's just good service.

If the price difference is massive, I would probably choose an LCC myself, but never ever when theres only a 20-30% difference, which often turn out to be is even less, when you think about what you have to pay for with the LCC's.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5708 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 9):
I really think that SAS needs new management that can actually steer them towards profitability as opposed to destroying the airline by making cuts that affect the average traveller.

Not only a new management, but hopefully a new owner as well. I hope Lufthansa will buy them.. if that doesn't happen and SAS continues to run this poorly, then I think they deserve to die. I think Ryanair is right when they say that SAS is like a dinosaur unable to adapt to modern world.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26508 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5645 times:



Quoting Bt001 (Reply 2):
- so you choose fares of more than 20EUR?  

LOL...

The thing with FR is that those €20 fares are rarely available . I have been looking at FR fares for UK destinations over the next few weeks and they are often triple that eachway.



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User currently offlineFerroviarius From Norway, joined Mar 2007, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Good afternoon,

I think there are a number of arguments, which will nevertheless make me fly SAS and not only avoid Ryan Air but any low cost carrier:

a)
I often have to go to a provincial airport in the US, at which the trip includes some transfers, e.g. at ORD (as long as they went there in SEA) or in EWR. Having a through ticket in Economy Extra or Economy, I can demand from SAS that they get me at my final destination at what so ever cost for them in case I miss my scheduled connection.

b)
I am quite sure SAS staff has an acceptable salary and social security. I doubt, Ryan Air staff comes close to that.

Sincerely,

Ferroviarius


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5314 times:

BTW Ive never flown with Ryanair and I don't want to either. I've heard too much bad about them, and they seem to hide fees everywhere. One month ago I flew with LH on CPH-FRA-DUB and the service was excellent. Sandwich and a soft drink included on both flights. I then flew with SAS back DUB-CPH. Nothing included for free. Then I'd rather fly with easyjet (on other routes to and from CPH) same service level but a more modern aircraft and most definitely cheaper too.

[Edited 2009-09-09 10:13:17]

User currently offlineXaraB From Norway, joined Aug 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

IIRC, SAS completed a ground handling improvement program a while ago, which aimed at making SAS one of the most on-time carriers in the world. AFAIK, they have been the most punctual airline in Europe for a couple of months. That's worth paying a little for...


An open mind is not an empty one
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

My wife is flying EMA-NTE and PIS-STN at the end of this month to visit some friends. She paid a total of £14. With each sector probably around an hour, it's dead cheap and dead quick. I can imagine how long, expensive and inconvenient it would have been 15 years ago!  



[Edited 2009-09-09 12:07:28]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
25 Borism : I'd love to know that too. Norwegian seems to be quite nice LCC. You can demand, and they will comply because you have a trough ticket. Dream on that
26 SKAirbus : Yes but how much time will be spent getting to and from the airport? The thing that really gets me with LCCs is that they advertise airports as belon
27 Pe@rson : One friend lives in Nantes, the other in Poitiers. I have had two cancelled FR flights: one due to a French ATC strike and one due to very heavy snow
28 Shankly : But MOL does have a soft spot for Pe@rson; probably laid on a limo as well FR is of course quite right to focus on SAS, which is maybe 10/15 years be
29 Ferroviarius : Yes, Boris, and no. I am prepared to pay a higher price for the ticket if this allows the airline to pay it staff a good salary. I am not a citizen o
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