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LAM-Linhas Aereas Mozambique Long Haul Ever Again?  
User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2737 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

While booming oil-rich Angolan airline TAAG receives much of the attention around here, sister airline LAM is hardly noticed. The national airline of Portuguese-speaking Mozambique has operated a diverse fleet of long-range aircraft mostly flying to Lisbon and Paris since the country became independent in 1975 from Portugal. The airline even flew as far away as Havana during the 80s throughout the country's civil war. While the airline is today only a regional carrier focused on flying from capital Maputo to neighboring countries, I wonder if the airline intends on resuming Lisbon with its 767-200 as the demand for air travel picks up to this African country in time for the 2010 World Cup and the continual development of Mozambique and its economy.


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4683 times:

Good question ! I seriously doubt it. The economy in Mocambique is still not great although there are some reosrts there. I think the TP flightsl to LIS will be sufficient for a very long time.

I did see the LM 762 at CDG once in 1993. Very nice livery!

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4673 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
Good question ! I seriously doubt it. The economy in Mocambique is still not great although there are some reosrts there. I think the TP flightsl to LIS will be sufficient for a very long time.

Partially Agree. I believe we can imagine that there will be demand for some weekly or 2x weekly flights to markets such as London, Luanda, Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo and even a few others. May be one A343 could be possible in lets say, 1 to 3 years ?



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User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

I beleie thats its mostly infrastructure issues that continue to dog LAM.

Maputo airport still remains a lot to be desired. It is quite old. It has two runways, however only one is equiped for ILS, and neither have runway lights (rwy 05/23 uses portable lights).

Since its construction the current airport has been owned and operated by the military. The airport is now owned and operated by Aeroports do Mocambique, which is currently renovating and modernising the terminal. This is being done with financing and construction from a Chinese company. Howeer, these renovations cover terminal and passenger/cargo ops, not the other airport elements including nav aids, runway/taxiway improvement, etc.

I also think that as long as the government maintains 80% control of LAM, it will be hindered in its development.

The 737-200s are showing their age.

The longhaul MAP-LIS flight was vener profitable. In fact, I believe LAM generates more revenue throughleasing their sole 762 out.

Once these changes have been addressed, I think LAM will be in a position to expand and restart some longhaul ops. In the meantime, they have focused on regional operations, and have acquired some Q400's for this purpose.


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

Doubt long haul will return for a very long time. When LAM did serve LIS, the aircraft often operated for TACV and did shuttle flights to SAL before returning to MPM; however, now TACV has their own aircraft so that possibility is gone.

The IL-62 above was a Govt. aircraft- on rare occsions it did perform LAM flights.

The DC-10 operated to LIS, MAD, and CDG-CPH-SXF (filled with guest workers).


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4391 times:



Quoting Planenutz (Reply 3):
Once these changes have been addressed, I think LAM will be in a position to expand and restart some longhaul ops. In the meantime, they have focused on regional operations, and have acquired some Q400's for this purpose.

They have ordered 2+2 ERJ190's to replace the 737's. The first one was delivered last month.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-lam-takes-first-embraer-190.html
As far as long haul goes, I think the code share with TP is all they can support.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

Most likely TM could support up to daily MPM-LIS flights (one routed thru a Mozambiquean airport in the north of the country), but I'd doubt flights to other European destinations or a MPM-GRU flight.
However, if TM can feed its flights with passengers from JNB, DUR, CPT maybe even PLZ, BFN, TNR, HRE; London, Paris, BOM, SIN, PER, GRU could be routes served by TM.

I'm surprised that neither TM nor DT fly LAD-MPM, a route between major Portuguese speaking cities that one could expect to have some traffic.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4317 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 6):
I'm surprised that neither TM nor DT fly LAD-MPM, a route between major Portuguese speaking cities that one could expect to have some traffic.

I wouldn't expect there would be a lot of demand between the 2. Mozambique and Angola never really had close economic ties. Tanzania and S.Africa have always been Mozambique's strongest economic partners in the region. For LAM, with such a small fleet, LAD is really a "far off" destination even at just 1500nm. Most of TM's routes are "puddle jumper" multi-city type routes because they have so few aircraft to offer non-stop service and probably very limited demand.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

I think this is indicative of Africa evolving much like Europe where the regional/economic powers have strong airlines bolstered by their own O&D plus connecting traffic from smaller nearby cities and countries. Mozambique is vastly overshadowed by nearby South Africa, and also well-served through the likes of Zimbabwe and Kenya. No need for a redundant, loss-making long-haul airline if you ask me.


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4252 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 8):
No need for a redundant, loss-making long-haul airline if you ask me.

It doesn't have to be loss making. Mozambique is is a very large country with almost no road or rail infrastructure. Usable land connections to its neighbors are too few and far in between and apart from S.Africa those countries in the region still have pretty poor road and rail infrastructure. Travel by air in the region and certainly within Mozambique will be the most efficient means of transportation in the foreseable future.


User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

Any chance that LAM could join forces with another Portuguese-speaking African country that does not have a flag carrier that operates long haul such as Sao Tome & Principe?

A jointly operated - and possibly LIS-based - aircraft could then operate 2 -3 MPM-LIS and Sao Tome-LIS rotations per week.

IIRC correctly Air Zimbabwe had a similar agreement with Air Malawi which also did not have any long haul aircraft of its own after the VC10s were retired.

BTW, LAM was also quite active in wet leasing its DC10 to other carriers in the region in the past. I recall that in the early 90s when Zambia Airways own DC10 was out of service for a HMV, LAM operated the QZ long haul flights from LUN to FCO and LHR for a month or so.


User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2737 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4013 times:



Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 10):
Any chance that LAM could join forces with another Portuguese-speaking African country that does not have a flag carrier that operates long haul such as Sao Tome & Principe?

A jointly operated - and possibly LIS-based - aircraft could then operate 2 -3 MPM-LIS and Sao Tome-LIS rotations per week.

The airline of Sao Tome & Principe - STP Airways -- http://www.stpairways.st/ -- is wet-leasing a 757 from a Portuguese charter airline for its LIS flights. In the past, STP Airways cooperated with TAAG where TAAG flew one of its brand new 737-700s on the Luanda - Sao Tome - Lisbon route. The agreement was suspended after TAAG was banned from Europe in 2007 so as you can see, it is in no rush to cooperate with a fellow Portuguese African airline.

With Mozambique being one of the most stable countries in Southern Africa and with much potential once tourism is much more developed it is my hope that LAM retakes its own long haul operations.



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Would somebody be able to shed some of light on LAM's long haul flights. I understand that LAM flew to Havana during the civil war to transport Cuban soldiers, teachers, and medical staff between Cuba and Mozambique. Interesting is the Maputo-Paris-Copenhagen-East Berlin flights which according to Wiki was used to shuttle guest workers to Mozambique.


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3920 times:



Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 11):
Interesting is the Maputo-Paris-Copenhagen-East Berlin flights which according to Wiki was used to shuttle guest workers to Mozambique.

During the civil war, not surprisingly, there were few if any foreign carriers serving Mozambique so therefore the only way to travel between Mozambique and Europe was on Mozambique's own flag carrier. Despite the war, there was a huge presence of foreigners in Mozambique working for all sorts of international aid groups and "special interst" groups  Smile So there was some demand for links with Europe. Ironically, once the war ended and it became safe again for foreign carriers to travel to MPM, the higher quality and reputation of those foreign carriers pretty much put LAM out of business in the long-haul markets.


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Above statement is correct- during the civil war there was more European demand with Aeroflot, TAP, LAM operating flights. I was in MPM during the early 90's and I remember seeing a vacant Interflug office there too. I also flew on the the LAM DC10 MPM-CDG (UTA code-shared on the flight), but most pax were Mozambiquan guest workers destined to East Berlin.

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3861 times:



Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 13):
I also flew on the the LAM DC10 MPM-CDG (UTA code-shared on the flight), but most pax were Mozambiquan guest workers destined to East Berlin.

Before LAM bought their own DC-10, I remember seeing a UTA DC-10 at MPM. However I can't remember if it was wet leased to LAM, UTA's own operation, or simply just a charter.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3809 times:



Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 11):
it is my hope that LAM retakes its own long haul operations.

In a lengthy article on LAM in the August 24, 2009 issue of Aviation Week & Space Technology, their CEO said they had no plans for longhaul routes except on a codeshare basis. They will focus on regional routes with their new E-190s and Dash-8 Q400s.

Excerpt from that article:

For years the airline operated a mix of short-, medium- and long-haul operations, until it realized that the long-haul network would never be profitable and it shuttered the service. Instead, CEO Jose Ricardo Viegas says, codeshare arrangements to provide connections to Europe are being explored; a deal targeting Rome is already in the works.


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

THE LAM DC-10 was leased from UTA and ex Air NZ ZK-NZR- not sure if it ever flew with UTA or if they just procured the aircraft for LAM, like the DC8. The LAM safety cards were modeled on the UTA ones, but the aircraft interior was decorated with brown seats and brown Mozambiquan art on the opposite side of the movie screens- can't say it was to my liking, but I do remember it! Also, when painted with the blue tail engine livery, the aircraft looked much better than the database photos indicate.

User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1108 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3550 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 7):
wouldn't expect there would be a lot of demand between the 2. Mozambique and Angola never really had close economic ties.

Actually TAAG or LAM is scheduled to begin LAD-MPM by the end of the year. I don't know if this will actually happen, though.


User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2737 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3529 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):

For years the airline operated a mix of short-, medium- and long-haul operations, until it realized that the long-haul network would never be profitable and it shuttered the service. Instead, CEO Jose Ricardo Viegas says, codeshare arrangements to provide connections to Europe are being explored; a deal targeting Rome is already in the works.

So that answers my question. I think, but can be wrong, that their 762 is currently being leased to Avianca after having flown for a few years by AeroMexico.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 12):
During the civil war, not surprisingly, there were few if any foreign carriers serving Mozambique so therefore the only way to travel between Mozambique and Europe was on Mozambique's own flag carrier. Despite the war, there was a huge presence of foreigners in Mozambique working for all sorts of international aid groups and "special interst" groups So there was some demand for links with Europe. Ironically, once the war ended and it became safe again for foreign carriers to travel to MPM, the higher quality and reputation of those foreign carriers pretty much put LAM out of business in the long-haul markets.



Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 13):
Above statement is correct- during the civil war there was more European demand with Aeroflot, TAP, LAM operating flights. I was in MPM during the early 90's and I remember seeing a vacant Interflug office there too. I also flew on the the LAM DC10 MPM-CDG (UTA code-shared on the flight), but most pax were Mozambiquan guest workers destined to East Berlin.

That is very interesting! Thanks for the explanation. Why was there so many Mozambiquen guest workers and what were they building in East Germany that required a once a week flight between East-Berlin and Maputo?

BTW, Justplanes made a dvd about LAM"s operations which I bougth a month ago that includes its 767 performing its Lisbon-Maputo flight. This spakred my interest in the topic. http://www.justplanes.net/lam-b.html

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3501 times:

Cold War politics: Eastern European countries supplied doctors, teachers, technical knowledge, etc. to countries with similar political ideals in return for guest workers- often for building construction. Same reason Vietnam Airlines had East Berlin flights. If you look at CSA, Cubana, and Interflug route maps from the 80's you'll get the idea.

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