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User currently offlineLxmd11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6864 times:

Hi all,

I was wondering earlier today what the percentages were of Boeing vs. Airbus in the three major alliances.

Also which alliances collectively operated the largest percentages of Airbus aircraft. My guess would be star alliance but i could be wrong.

Thanx

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User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

I have calculated the overall fleet numbers for Star Alliance according to Wikipedia. This list includes member subsidiaries, except for United/US Express, because those airlines are flying for several alliances.

Airbus: 1199 (37.7%)
Boeing: 1293 (40.6%)
CRJ: 236 (7.4%)
Dash: 71 (2.2%)
Embraer: 138 (4.3%)
Fokker: 42 (1.3%)
MD: 59 (1.9%)
ATR: 51 (1.6%)
BAe: 74 (2.3%)
Beech: 20 (0.6%)

total: 3183

Here a list of Airbus vs Boeing of the members (incl subsidiaries):
AC: 99 - 48
LH: 168 - 93
SK: 23 - 77
Thai: 42 - 47
UA: 152 - 223
NZ: 13 - 35
NZ: 13 - 35
ANA: 30 - 188
BD: 33 - 1
OS: 18 - 28
SQ: 39 - 86
LOT: 0 - 22
Asiana: 24 - 36
Spanair: 24 - 4
US: 222 - 114
TP: 53 - 0
SA: 32 - 22
Swiss: 59 - 0
Shanghai: 1 - 55
China: 76 - 131
TK: 64 - 65
Egypt: 27 - 18

[Edited 2009-09-10 00:20:48]


PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6467 times:

... and here the same for oneworld (including American Eagle and all other member subsidiaries, but not Chautauqa):

Airbus: 480 (22.5%)
Boeing: 941 (44.2%)
CRJ: 81 (3.8%)
Dash: 53 (2.5%)
Embraer: 202 (9.5%)
Fokker: 5 (0.2%)
MD: 297 (14.0%)
ATR: 44 (2.0%)
BAe: 10 (0.5%)
Beech/Do: 14 (0.7%)

total: 2127

Splitting into Airbus vs Boeing:
AA: 0 - 337
BA: 82 - 177
Cathay: 77 - 51
Quantas: 20 - 132
Finnair: 38 - 7
IB: 118 - 0
LAN: 101 - 49
JAL: 22 - 170
Malev: 0 - 18
RoyJor: 22 - 0



PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

And last but not least for SkyTeam (incl member affiliates, but excluding CO/DL Connection):

Airbus: 680 (27.0%)
Boeing: 1240 (49.3%)
CRJ: 40 (1.6%)
Embraer: 109 (4.3%)
MD: 251 (10.0%)
Fokker: 99 (3.9%)
ATR: 17 (0.7%)
BAe: 25 (1.0%)
Do/Saab: 6 (0.2%)
Tu/Il: 37 (1.5%)

total: 2514

Airbus vs Boeing:
Aeromex: 0 - 46
AF: 184 - 68
DL: 0 - 315
NW: 158 - 77
Korean: 27 - 77
Czech: 19 - 17
AZ: 82 - 33
KLM: 10 - 75
CO: 0 - 347
SU: 60 - 47
ChSouth: 140 - 138

Hope this will help you.



PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4761 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6353 times:
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Interesting numbers Tobias2702. Thanks for gathering the data to give us all the overview.  Smile

User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6327 times:



Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 2):
Quantas: 20 - 132

must resist. must resist

Anyway suprising results, I expected higher percent of Airbus. Especially in One World.


User currently offlineJrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6256 times:

Qantas have more than 20 airbii, The Jetstar Fleet...

User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6242 times:



Quoting Jrfspa320 (Reply 6):
Qantas have more than 20 airbii, The Jetstar Fleet...

According to Wikipedia Jetstar is not a member of oneworld:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneworld



PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6182 times:

UPDATE: Just noticed that the following US regional airlines operate fully for Star Alliance: GoJet, Mesa, Trans States, Wisconsin, Piedmont, PSA

Only for Skyteam operates Mesaba.

As Co is switching sides anyway, the following airlines qwill also only serve on Star routes:
Colgan, Cape, Commutair, Gulfstream Intl, Express Jet.

What follows is an update of my other lists, now including these regional carriers and assuming that CO as a Star Alliance member:

Figure for Star Alliance with all those regional airlines and CO:
Airbus: 1199 (27.8%)
Boeing: 1640 (38.1%)
CRJ: 487 (11.3%)
Dash: 168 (3.9%)
Embraer: 453 (10.5%)
Fokker: 42 (1.0%)
MD: 59 (1.4%)
ATR: 53 (1.2%)
BAe/Avro: 74 (1.7%)
Beech/Do: 98 (2.3%)
Saab: 34 (0.8%)

total: 4307


For comparison here the unchanged figures for oneworld:

Airbus: 480 (22.5%)
Boeing: 941 (44.2%)
CRJ: 81 (3.8%)
Dash: 53 (2.5%)
Embraer: 202 (9.5%)
Fokker: 5 (0.2%)
MD: 297 (14.0%)
ATR: 44 (2.0%)
BAe/Avro: 10 (0.5%)
Beech/Do: 14 (0.7%)

total: 2127


Figures for Skyteam without CO, but with Mesaba:
Airbus: 680 (31.4%)
Boeing: 893 (41.2%)
CRJ: 98 (4.5%)
Embraer: 109 (5.0%)
MD: 251 (11.6%)
Fokker: 99 (4.6%)
ATR: 17 (0.8%)
BAe/Avro: 25 (1.2%)
Do: 4 (0.2%)
Saab: 51 (2.4%)
Tu/Il: 37 (1.7%)

total: 2167



PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2816 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

As a side result, one can see from these numbers that Star Alliance is about as big as oneworld and Skyteam combined...


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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Now if you include McDonnell Douglas aircraft as Boeing, then SkyTeam and Oneworld get huge boosts in Boeing's favor.


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User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

1. Should we lump MD under Boeing ?

2. Did you include cargo+pax, or just pax fleets ?

3. Isn't Dash and CRJ both part of Bombardier? Shouldn't those be lumped together ?

4. Boeing's existing market share is much higher (Airbus wasn't a full player till the A320 revolutionized narrow-body designs), but I'd be curious if we look at the distribution of planes bought within the past 25 years.

5. Aren't there still a few Dornier's left over? Which manufacturer does that belong to?

6. The 3 super players of the middle east (EK, EY, QR) aren't in any alliance, but those are relatively Airbus-heavy.

7. Tobias has listed NZ twice. Did you double count for Star's numbers?


User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5836 times:

8. Does these include leases, or just owned ?

9. If the plane is temporarily parked but not sold, is it counted?


User currently offlineVZLA787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

I believe you should lump MD and Boeing together. They are one company nowadays, so for comparison, they should be lumped as one, since nobody is able to buy a new MD aircraft today.

User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5145 times:



Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 11):
Did you include cargo+pax, or just pax fleets ?

only pax, as alliances are pax alliances

Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 11):
Tobias has listed NZ twice. Did you double count for Star's numbers?

that's a mistake, but the total number is unchanged

Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 12):
8. Does these include leases, or just owned
9. If the plane is temporarily parked but not sold, is it counted?

I just took the information I could find on Wikipedia, no idea how accurate this is. The advantage of doing it this way is that you have one list covering it all and don't have to skim through several websites. If anyone has other data, they are invited to change mine.

Quoting VZLA787 (Reply 13):
I believe you should lump MD and Boeing together.

If you want to do so, just go ahead. For me, there is still a difference, but that's just a matter of taste.



PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

Quoting VZLA787 (Reply 13):
I believe you should lump MD and Boeing together. They are one company nowadays, so for comparison, they should be lumped as one, since nobody is able to buy a new MD aircraft today.

Yes McDD was merged with Boeing back in 1997 so I can't see why McDD would be listed as separate except to indicate that these airlines still have aircraft from McDD in their active fleet..

BTW..MD is actually the airline code for Air Madagascar as shown when you move the mouse cursor over the letters...

[Edited 2009-09-10 10:38:06]


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User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1300 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4840 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 15):

Yes McDD was merged with Boeing back in 1997 so I can't see why McDD would be listed as separate except to indicate that these airlines still have aircraft from McDD in their active fleet..

Are we talking Douglas and McDonnell Douglas as one? Perhaps it would make sense to make Douglas its own entity and combine MD and Boeing. But then what would the MD-80 series go under? Technically, it's DC all the way to the DC-9-87. The MD-88 was the first MD-designated aircraft. And then there's the MD-10...
Maybe we should just keep anything with "Douglas" in the name under one title, and anything with "Boeing" and not "Douglas" under another one  confused 

-J.



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6924 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4383 times:



Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 16):

Are we talking Douglas and McDonnell Douglas as one? Perhaps it would make sense to make Douglas its own entity and combine MD and Boeing. But then what would the MD-80 series go under?

Since the only Douglas planes still flying mainline pax are the NW DC-9's AFAIK I don't think it makes much difference. The significant question is whether to include the MD's with Boeing numbers.



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User currently offlineFlanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

I think they both make great planes. I love both.


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User currently offlineLxmd11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

Wow thanx. I was surprised that Boeing's got airbus beat in all three.

I am also surprised to see how similar the after continental skyteam and oneworld are.

And by the way i would add MD under the Boeing category. Sorry it took me so long to reply i was at school.


User currently offlineTobias2702 From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

...and yet another extension, this time regarding regional/affiliate members as well as future members. Aditionally, I am now listing Boeing and McDonnell Douglas together, as well as CRJ and Dash.

Figures for Star Alliance including regional members Adria Airways, Blue1, Croatia Airlines, as well as future members SN, TAM, AI, A3:
Airbus: 1334 (29.1%)
Boeing: 1773 (38.7%)
Bombardier: 674 (14.7%)
Embraer: 453 (9.9%)
others: 350

total: 4584


Figures for oneworld including future members Mexicana and S7:
Airbus: 571 (25.1%)
Boeing: 1257 (55.3%)
Bombardier: 145 (6.4%)
Embraer: 202 (8.9%)
others: 98

total: 2273


Figures for Skyteam including affiliate members Air Europa and Kenya Airways (but not Copa, as they are leaving), future member Vietnam and future affiliates Middle East and TAROM:
Airbus: 733 (30.2%)
Boeing: 1219 (50.2%)
Bombardier: 98 (4.0%)
Embraer: 116 (4.8%)
others: 262

total: 2428



Alas (for the sake of above tables), some US regional airlines do not offer their services for a single alliance, and are therefore not included: Chautauqa (UA, US, CO / AA / DL), Shuttle America (UA / DL / + Mokulele), SkyWest (UA / DL / + Midwest), Republic (US / + Midwest). Combined, this means another 247 Bombardiers and 255 Emraers.

Enjoy.



PA, AF, UK, BA, AB, DL, LH, FR, BD, A3, EZY, DY //// A319/320/346, B733/735/73G/738/744/763, AT4, 146, CR2, DH4
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