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OAG Changes 9/11/09: AA/AC/AM/CO/DL/FL  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7527 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8841 times:

As usual these compare against what was selling last week and not last year.

How to read:
ATL-TRI 8>7 NOV Means that the market was reduced by one roundtrip 8 to 7 for November.
ATL-TRI 9>8 DEC- Means the market was cut by 1 roundtrip from 9 to 8 for December onward.

Plz excuse any typos it is a lot to type!

AA
MIA-ORF 1>2 NOV-
ORD-CMH 9>10 DEC-
ORD-CVG 8>7 DEC-
ORD-GRB 5>4 DEC-
ORD-MKE 5>4 DEC-
ORD-MSN 7>6 DEC-
STL-XNA CXLD 1>0 NOV-

AC
LGA-YHZ CXLD 1>0 NOV-
ORD-YYC CXLD 1>0 NOV-

AM
SFO-HMO CXLD 4/WK>0 NOV-

CO
CLE-FWA CXLD 3>0 NOV-
CLE-SBN 4>3 NOV-
FLL-GGT 1>2 NOV-
IAH-MFE 8>6 JAN-
IAH-VPS 4>3 JAN-
IAH-XNA 4>3 JAN-FEB

DL
ATL-EYW 2>3 NOV- (FL RESPONSE?)
ATL-CAK 6>7 NOV-
ATL-CVG 6>7 NOV-
ATL-ICT 6>5 NOV-
ATL-MLI 5>4 NOV-
ATL-MOB 9>8 NOV-
ATL-ORF 8>7 NOV-
ATL-PWM 2>3 NOV-
ATL-SHV 4>5 NOV-
BDL-PBI XFER 0>3/WK NOV-DEC (FROM NW, NET REDUCTION)
BDL-PBI XFER 0>1 JAN- (FROM NW)
JFK-LYS CXLD 1>0 NOV-FEB
JFK-MAN CXLD 1>0 JAN- (PROBABLY SUMMER RESUME)
OGG-SEA CXLD 1>0 JAN- (POSSIBLY GOING TO NW)

FL
ATL-NAS NEW 0>1 DEC-
BWI-NAS NEW 0>4/WK DEC-
MCO-NAS NEW 0>4/WK DEC-

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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1551 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8806 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CO
CLE-FWA CXLD 3>0 NOV-

Actually this ends at the end of this month. So its gone Oct. 1st.



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User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8758 times:

Anyone know when UA added a second daily IAH-IAD flight with mainline equipment? It operates with an airbus as flight 550 to IAD. I know they still are running 982 as well with an airbus.

Just my 0.02



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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2687 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

I don't know if you show WS on there... but there website shows YYZ-ACY goes from daily to 4/week (before it even starts).. do you show that??


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8099 times:



Quoting FlyIGuy (Reply 2):

Both flights have been operated with mainline equipment for some time now.



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8088 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-CMH 9>10 DEC-

This immediately stood out to me

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AC
LGA-YHZ CXLD 1>0 NOV-
ORD-YYC CXLD 1>0 NOV-

Understandable, AC can't hang with the competition on these routes

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CLE-FWA CXLD 3>0 NOV-
CLE-SBN 4>3 NOV-

Isn't this supposed to be CLE's catchment area....



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7527 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7361 times:



Quoting Nkops (Reply 3):
I don't know if you show WS on there... but there website shows YYZ-ACY goes from daily to 4/week (before it even starts).. do you show that??

I hadn't noticed to be honest. When the changes is a few days per week it is hard to catch. There are tons of markets each week where they go from 28 per week to 23 for example so I usually filter small changes out.

Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 5):
Isn't this supposed to be CLE's catchment area....

I guess but that whole hub is on life support until the day they merge with UA and it shuts ala CVG.


User currently offlinePbiflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6703 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
BDL-PBI XFER 0>3/WK NOV-DEC (FROM NW, NET REDUCTION)

BDL-PBI goes back to DL from NW on Nov 21. It still is daily, not 3x wk.

Also noteworthy, PBI-CVG goes back to mainline in mid-december, PBI-DTW goes from 1 to 2 daily, on NW and new service begins PBI-MEM on NW daily.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7527 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6624 times:



Quoting Pbiflyer (Reply 7):
BDL-PBI goes back to DL from NW on Nov 21. It still is daily, not 3x wk.

Not according to the schedule they filed Monday. I only report what they filed. They have been changing their minds like I change socks. I don't think we will know for sure until we check Delta.com on Monday.


User currently offlinePbiflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6367 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 8):
Not according to the schedule they filed Monday. I only report what they filed. They have been changing their minds like I change socks. I don't think we will know for sure until we check Delta.com on Monday.

Bookable now on Delta.com daily.



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User currently offlineCrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6253 times:
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Also wanted to add to the list that along with the MKE-ORD reduction on 11/19, MKE-STL is going from 3x daily to 2x daily.
Hoping that's all the cuts we'll see with both WN and FL in MKE now.  brokenheart 


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5887 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 5):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AC
LGA-YHZ CXLD 1>0 NOV-
ORD-YYC CXLD 1>0 NOV-


Understandable, AC can't hang with the competition on these routes

Who is AC competing with on ORD-YYC? The only carrier after this will be SkyWest/UAX, which is a Star partner.

It's not like back in the 90s, when AC, UA, AA, and CP all flew mainline jets non-stop on ORD-YYC.

Situation in New York is a little different. SkyWest/UAX will still fly out of LGA, but American Eagle flies JFK-YHZ, and CO Express flies EWR-YHZ.


User currently offlineCALeeIII From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5677 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL
ATL-EYW 2>3 NOV- (FL RESPONSE?)

I don't think it has anything to do with FL. They have typically gone to 2 flights a day in the off season and then back to as many as 4 in the winter.

Now, a 737 would be nice! Or, even the CRJ-900. Would the CRJ-900 make it with that runway?


User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5551 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5648 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 5):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CLE-FWA CXLD 3>0 NOV-
CLE-SBN 4>3 NOV-

Isn't this supposed to be CLE's catchment area....

They need the plane for CLE-IAD.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5458 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 6):
I guess but that whole hub is on life support until the day they merge with UA and it shuts ala CVG.

Don't be surprised to see CO cutting regional cities like SBN, FWA and GRR with easier service available to ORD via UA codeshare flights. US did the same thing in 2002-03 to prepare and expand their codeshares with UA.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
Who is AC competing with on ORD-YYC? The only carrier after this will be SkyWest/UAX, which is a Star partner.

It's not like back in the 90s, when AC, UA, AA, and CP all flew mainline jets non-stop on ORD-YYC.

Situation in New York is a little different. SkyWest/UAX will still fly out of LGA, but American Eagle flies JFK-YHZ, and CO Express flies EWR-YHZ.

Same as above, CO will handle NYCYHZ and UA will handle CHIYYC, it's that simple.



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5287 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):

Who is AC competing with on ORD-YYC? The only carrier after this will be SkyWest/UAX, which is a Star partner.

Exactly I completely forgot about that



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5287 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
Don't be surprised to see CO cutting regional cities like SBN, FWA and GRR with easier service available to ORD via UA codeshare flights. US did the same thing in 2002-03 to prepare and expand their codeshares with UA.

The only problem with that is CO is losing the revenue from the flights - that would only go to UA. As Massey said, the plane is needed for CLE-IAD. They obviously have no spare Dash 8s around to keep FWA. I know that feeling....


User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5551 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5223 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 16):
The only problem with that is CO is losing the revenue from the flights - that would only go to UA. As Massey said, the plane is needed for CLE-IAD. They obviously have no spare Dash 8s around to keep FWA. I know that feeling....

When CO posted the route cancellation on their website, I thought the FWA flights might be replaced by Gulfstream, but Gulfstream is also stretched for capacity and bidding for new STL routes.

FWA-ORD-east is much less efficient (50% circuity for LGA) than FWA-CLE-east. The traffic will more likely move to DL (over DTW) than to UA.



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User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5195 times:



Quoting Pbiflyer (Reply 7):
BDL-PBI goes back to DL from NW on Nov 21. It still is daily, not 3x wk.

Also noteworthy, PBI-CVG goes back to mainline in mid-december, PBI-DTW goes from 1 to 2 daily, on NW and new service begins PBI-MEM on NW daily.

The PBI-MEM has been bookable for most of this summer. Kind of shocked to be honest, but I guess they're trying to alleviate ATL connections a little.

PBI-DTW always went 2x in the winter. The noon turn and a late arriving RON.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7527 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4788 times:



Quoting CALeeIII (Reply 12):
I don't think it has anything to do with FL. They have typically gone to 2 flights a day in the off season and then back to as many as 4 in the winter.

Perhaps, but the file date for the seasonal increase was the day after the FL announcement. Quite a coincidence isn't it?

Again just to describe what this thread is. These are changes made to OAG this week. If they really intended to bulk up their Nov schedule months ago why would they wait until now to load the flights and miss the bookings until just 60 days out. Smells funny to me.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

Can't say that I'm surprised: Per FWA's website, CO was in last place in terms of market share at FWA, though their year-to-date share was up 0.75 percentage points from a few months ago.

Year-to-date FWA market share stats:
DL/NW: 45.16% (DL @ 23.54% + NW @ 21.62%)
AA Eagle: 23.17%
G4: 17.57%
UA: 10.52%
CO: 4.25%
Charter flights: 0.71%

Source: http://www.fwairport.com/images/gallery/AirlineActivitySummary1.pdf (PDF flle; scroll to last page)

To put it into perspective, FWA hasn't lost a pax airline in five years, since C8 shut down... but I wouldn't be surprised if FWA has something up their sleeve to offset the losses of this and DL's FWA-MSP soon. The air service development team at FWA is a great one... they do their job very well.



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User currently offlineDLCnxGPTJAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4415 times:



Quoting CALeeIII (Reply 12):
Now, a 737 would be nice! Or, even the CRJ-900. Would the CRJ-900 make it with that runway?

I believe ASA flew a CRJ-900 into EYW as and equipment sub for one of the 700's several months back. So it can definately operated into there. Not sure how restricted it was though.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23201 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4200 times:



Quoting DLCnxGPTJAX (Reply 21):
So it can definately operated into there. Not sure how restricted it was though.

If it was a last-minute sub for a CR7, there's probably a good chance it wasn't full.



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