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Mbta To Provide Train Service To PVD.  
User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

http://newsblog.projo.com/#521682

There are some conditions to be met. Liability is still an issue before this deal is final. The service is to begin in 2011.


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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

I tried to correct MBTA in the title. I thought I did , but obviously I did not.  Sad


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8285 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Sounds like a no-brainer for the MBTA. RI builds all the infrastructure and supports all the operating costs and the MBTA collects all the revenue  Smile

User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3266 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
Sounds like a no-brainer for the MBTA. RI builds all the infrastructure and supports all the operating costs and the MBTA collects all the revenue

I have to admire your quick study of the situation, Rhode Island will guarantee it all, and hold the bag. Business as usual in R.I.
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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8285 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3146 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 3):
I have to admire your quick study of the situation, Rhode Island will guarantee it all, and hold the bag. Business as usual in R.I.

However, that's just one side of the coin though. Extending the commuter rail further into RI could have the positive side effect of stimulating business for the state, as well as providing easier access to jobs in Massachusets for people who wouldn't otherwise consider it because of the horrible traffic.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

I really wonder how this will effect commuter flights to the NYC area. If BOS is easier to get to, would that make BOS more appealing for international and maybe even some trans-con travel.

If this were high-speed, it would be even better but any upgraded/new train service is good.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3114 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):
I really wonder how this will effect commuter flights to the NYC area. If BOS is easier to get to, would that make BOS more appealing for international and maybe even some trans-con travel.

If this were high-speed, it would be even better but any upgraded/new train service is good.

The current PVD-NYC flights serve as any potential feeder. There's high speed rail between Providence and NYC as is, with the train station in Providence being smack in the middle of the city (literally across the street from the State Capital building). It's maybe a 2h45-3h trip by train - same amount of time it would take to fly, considering the airport is in Warwick and you're going to LGA or EWR.

I'd also think that for many people going to Europe from the Providence area, they'd be willing to drive up to Boston if a nonstop is available. It's no more than an hour drive from Providence to BOS. It makes a lot of sense to make a real short drive up to Boston and go from there than take a commuter flight to a delay-prone EWR/JFK and go from there if the nonstop is available out of Boston.

As it is, a commuter train service to Boston from Providence is only about 5-10 minutes longer than the Acela.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3011 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 4):
However, that's just one side of the coin though. Extending the commuter rail further into RI could have the positive side effect of stimulating business for the state, as well as providing easier access to jobs in Massachusets for people who wouldn't otherwise consider it because of the horrible traffic.

I agree, hopefully it will work and ease the traffic situation. The money has been spent, let us hope it makes money for everyone. It should help the working commuters to Boston and vice versa.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8285 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2990 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 7):
I agree, hopefully it will work and ease the traffic situation. The money has been spent, let us hope it makes money for everyone. It should help the working commuters to Boston and vice versa.

Not just into Boston but also a lot of commuters from the south to/from Providence. An arrangement like this with the MBTA is a lot cheaper and faster than RI creating their own public rail authority. This sort of polling of resources gets missed a lot in this country. If the NY/NJ port authority can join together and those are big enough to justify their own independent organizations, smaller states like the New England states sure could do the same.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2947 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 8):
An arrangement like this with the MBTA is a lot cheaper and faster than RI creating their own public rail authority. This sort

Amen to that, that is what we do not need.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2842 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):
If BOS is easier to get to, would that make BOS more appealing for international and maybe even some trans-con travel.

This doesnt make BOS any easier to get to, it makes PVD easier to get to for people in Mass. Especially those in between PVD and BOS.

Extending the commuter rail has no benefits for BOS at all, that was done with the silver line (which is a pain in the a$$).

Winners:
City of Providence - new commuter rail feed from the south for commuters

PVD - New rail service, while it wont be as frequent as BWI or EWR, it is certainly a good start. Not to mention a new consolidated rental car facility too.

MBTA - With this service they can generate more revenue by selling the same seat twice One commuter from the south into providence, and one commuter from providence into boston.

Rhode Island - Rail service in RI will be on par or exceeds that in large cities like Dallas, Houston Charlotte and Denver. It will be a good thing to be ahead of the curve with regards to transit next time oil spikes.

Losers: none



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2770 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
Rhode Island - Rail service in RI will be on par or exceeds that in large cities like Dallas, Houston Charlotte and Denver. It will be a good thing to be ahead of the curve with regards to transit next time oil spikes.

Losers: none

I was discussing this matter today, when someone asked the question, How much is parking going to be? How much will the train cost? When will they say, too expensive. I do not know. It will be interesting. I do not for a minute think parking will be free. The train will stop at South Station according to what I read. Now for tourists, how do they get to see the rest of Boston, the subway, the bus, the taxi cab? Add that onto the cost of parking, the train and it will be cheaper and more convient to drive. Just speculation on my part, I have commuted to Boston by car and train in the past, the car is always most convienent, even with the traffic. I was up there two weeks ago, cannot imagine taking the train and then trying to get around. I think they had better try to make it affordable as far as cost, it will not be convienent. We know the aircraft passenger will be a tiny fraction of the travelers.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2761 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
I was discussing this matter today, when someone asked the question, How much is parking going to be? How much will the train cost? When will they say, too expensive. I do not know. It will be interesting. I do not for a minute think parking will be free. The train will stop at South Station according to what I read. Now for tourists, how do they get to see the rest of Boston, the subway, the bus, the taxi cab? Add that onto the cost of parking, the train and it will be cheaper and more convient to drive. Just speculation on my part, I have commuted to Boston by car and train in the past, the car is always most convienent, even with the traffic. I was up there two weeks ago, cannot imagine taking the train and then trying to get around. I think they had better try to make it affordable as far as cost, it will not be convienent. We know the aircraft passenger will be a tiny fraction of the travelers.

I wouldn't be shocked to see (especially if Rhode Island pays a chunk for it) to see the commuter rail expanded further south past PVD in the next 10 years - add a station in East Greenwich and use the existing Amtrak station in West Kingston. At the airport, add some short-term daily parking (say $3-5/day, no overnight parking) to draw locals from Warwick. You'd have the makings of a decent commuter line then, where people south of Providence can take the train into Providence to work, and those wanting to go into Boston could do so. I'd imagine it'd probably be a new zone on the MBTA, so maybe $8.50 one-way (current Zone 8 is $7.75 each way) to Boston. Add in a $3-5 parking fee (standard at most MBCR stations) and it's $20 - just as much to park in Boston and avoids traffic (though I do agree car is the most convenient mannerism of getting from Boston to Providence).

At the end of the day, I think the airport passengers though would be going from Attleboro/Stoughton/Boston to PVD rather than vice-versa. And even there, fares at BOS have come down a lot since the station was planned - B6 has a huge operation at BOS now, Southwest is there now, etc. Pretty much anywhere you can get on a nonstop from PVD, you can do so at BOS at roughly the same fare.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2749 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):

If this were high-speed, it would be even better but any upgraded/new train service is good.

While high-speed would be great, I think the timings are acceptable.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
Now for tourists, how do they get to see the rest of Boston, the subway, the bus, the taxi cab?

The T of course. Boston has one of the best public transport systems in the US and is one of the most walkable cities in the world.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
Add that onto the cost of parking, the train and it will be cheaper and more convient to drive.

Ever pay to park in Boston? See gas prices lately? The train is a much better option.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2687 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 12):
I wouldn't be shocked to see (especially if Rhode Island pays a chunk for it) to see the commuter rail expanded further south past PVD in the next 10 years - add a station in East Greenwich and use the existing Amtrak station in West Kingston. At the airport, add some short-term daily parking (say $3-5/day, no overnight parking) to draw locals from

There is a station on the prints for East Greenwich, but the next planned stop is in Wickford, a new parking garage and a commuter station, supposedly in the next year or so.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2676 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
The T of course. Boston has one of the best public transport systems in the US and is one of the most walkable cities in the world.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
Add that onto the cost of parking, the train and it will be cheaper and more convient to drive.

Ever pay to park in Boston? See gas prices lately? The train is a much better option.

I have used the T and walked Boston, yes it is walkable within reason. I have payed to park in Boston, but if the cost of the train, T and the inconvience is too high, I would still take my car for the convience and the flexabilty. A working person is in a different category. Same place everyday, I could see using the train. I have used the train while working in Boston, and it is lot better today than it was then, had to go to Providence.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2649 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 15):
I would still take my car for the convience and the flexabilty

You are one of the few.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 15):

I have used the T and walked Boston, yes it is walkable within reason.

With the T and two feet, one can get anywhere in Boston or Cambridge as fast or faster than using a car.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8285 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2594 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 11):
Now for tourists, how do they get to see the rest of Boston, the subway, the bus, the taxi cab? Add that onto the cost of parking, the train and it will be cheaper and more convient to drive.



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 12):
Add in a $3-5 parking fee (standard at most MBCR stations) and it's $20 - just as much to park in Boston and avoids traffic (though I do agree car is the most convenient mannerism of getting from Boston to Providence).

Unless you are very familiar with Boston you will be hard pressed to find parking that is cheaper than that. Most reasonaly priced parking garages/lots have early bird requirements - in by 8 out by 5, type of deal and it's still $20+ per day. Most tourists also walk in Boston, they don't drive although they may hop on the T once in a while. starting next year i think the MBTA will be selling a combined Commuter/Subway Charlie card which means you will no longer have to buy 2 ticket which is what most people with a monthly pass already enjoy today.

People who are not familiar with Boston are terrified of not only driving in the city but the congestion driving to/from the city. It is a huge incovenience. If you take the commuter rail during school vacation period or weekends you can see a lot of "tourists". Again, I know where to park in Boston for $12/day but I've lived or worked in the city for a great part of the last 20 years. Most garages will charge you that much for only an hour or two of parking, especially near the most popular tourist attractions.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2531 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 15):
I would still take my car for the convience and the flexabilty

You are one of the few.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 15):

I have used the T and walked Boston, yes it is walkable within reason.

With the T and two feet, one can get anywhere in Boston or Cambridge as fast or faster than using a car.

I do have different perspective, I am retired, so I can go up during the off peak time and go home later or earlier. When you have seen alot of the walking areas, you do need the auto more. It is just a matter of preference I guess and having the time to waste. You are right though, it is a very good walking area most of the time.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2513 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 17):

I agree, if I was working up there again, I would hop the train. Because I only go up occasionally now, I pay to park. the convienence out weighs the cost. A couple of weeks back, I went to lunch on Newbury Street (meter) and then to the Museum of Fine Arts, parked in the garage across the street, very handy. I would not want to pay that every day though, plus gas and the strain of driving. I do hope the trains are a success, it will make the money invested worthwhile and be good for the commuters and make life easier for them. My fear is the age old custom of Rhode Island, to stick it to the people. I cannot wait to see the fees and fares and taxes.



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