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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2702 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9531 times:

Which airlines could still order the 777s in your opinion? I speak about new customers...

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Sacha


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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9527 times:

I dont know who could be next as almost every airline which could use 777s have them already.
But if you would ask me which airline would dump 777s soon I´d say Austrian, now that its belonging to LH.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31123 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9509 times:
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Probably some new start-up or a "national" airline in Africa looking to replace and modernize their fleet.

I don't expect LH, SK, LX, IB or SA to order the type. They'll hold on to their A340s until the A350XWB / 787 comes online.


User currently offlineRscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9505 times:

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User currently offlineCsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9498 times:

LOT maybe to hold them over until their 787s come?


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4342 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 9400 times:

Indeed the current top 100 of airlines either have them or are not interested.
The only further passenger airlines I see ordering are airlines of smaller countries like Biman Bangladesh, some CIS airlines might take a handful. I don't see much more possibilities in Africa, the only 5 big airlines ordered them already or chose a different fleet (SAA), maybe one or two each by airlines like Air Zimbabwe or Air Mauritius but I guess they wait for new generation stuff.
The only sizeable order can come if a current or new mid east airline tries to compete full blown on long haul routes with EK, EY and QR, say something like Air Arabia, Afriqiyah or Oman Air.
But all in all I expect the 777 to have some 200 more top up orders from their current operators and then continue as a freighter ending up with 1500 built, exactly like the 747.

[Edited 2009-09-11 10:32:52]


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 9267 times:
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Qantas, the Aussie airline has always been missing from the 777 program. IF there was one major that Boeing would love to sell 777LR's or 77W its the Kangaroo.

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9189 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
IF there was one major that Boeing would love to sell 777LR's or 77W its the Kangaroo.

And I bet Boeing would be even more pleased if QF would order 748Is!

Qf wont get 777, at least not the current models. Maybe if Boeing upgrades it and there is a 777W/NG past 2015 (without such airplane Boeing would loose most future pitches to the A350 anyway). The 777 as it is is clearly beyond its peak, at least in respect of more orders. The majority of airlines which would or have taken 777s in recent years are going or will go for 787s/A350s if they have the money.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9168 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
Qantas, the Aussie airline has always been missing from the 777 program. IF there was one major that Boeing would love to sell 777LR's or 77W its the Kangaroo.

agreed, also US could use some 77Es, 77Ls, and/or 77Ws. I suspect UPS and Atlas could use some B-777Fs, too.

Will LH ever dump their A-340-300/-600s for some B-777-200ERs/-300ERs?


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6961 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9059 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):

Will LH ever dump their A-340-300/-600s for some B-777-200ERs/-300ERs?

No, they'r waiting for the next generation. It would be silly for them to dump planes that are doing well for them for a type that will do somewhat better but are going to be obsolete in the near future. Besides, with the economy the way it is, I think few airlines are ordering new types at all.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9030 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
Will LH ever dump their A-340-300/-600s for some B-777-200ERs/-300ERs?

LH has repeatedly considered the 777-300ER, but rejected it and ordered more A340-600s. It simply didn't make any economic sense to introduce an additional type. And I don't expect them to evaluate it again with the next generation of twinjets available in a few years.

If they need to add any more widebody twinjets before A350s/787s arrive, they'll most likely get A330-300s. Those are also capable of replacing A340-300s on many routes.


PH



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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8957 times:

777 Operators (by Henpol747 Aug 24 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Was not this just talked about last month?



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8957 times:
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Quoting NA (Reply 7):
And I bet Boeing would be even more pleased if QF would order 748Is!

Qantas is one of those few airines he A380 really was made for given their two prime routes requie such capacity.

Quoting NA (Reply 7):
Qf wont get 777, at least not the current models. Maybe if Boeing upgrades it and there is a 777W/NG past 2015 (without such airplane Boeing would loose most future pitches to the A350 anyway). The 777 as it is is clearly beyond its peak, at least in respect of more orders.

Boeing WILL make another generation 777, they have too much at stake not to.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8580 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8889 times:
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Quoting NA (Reply 1):
But if you would ask me which airline would dump 777s soon I´d say Austrian, now that its belonging to LH.

actually a couple of days ago at the ceremony to mark the LH takeover of OS the current OS CEO was quoted as saying that OS is having a recovery in longhaul traffic and that when a couple of the 767s come off lease they may be replaced by additional 777s



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8820 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 1):
But if you would ask me which airline would dump 777s soon I´d say Austrian

Be little more respectful to the original poster! It's a valid question, if you don't like, don't participate in the thread!

Bak on topic, I think it's possible that QF may order 777-300/ER to replace 744s eventually. I also think that LAN may order 77Ls to replace their 343s. Also China Airlines may order 777-300/ER to replace 744s.

These are just my analysis and very possible that they may not happen. Just saying that they may.

The777Man



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8799 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
Quoting NA (Reply 1):
But if you would ask me which airline would dump 777s soon I´d say Austrian

Be little more respectful to the original poster! It's a valid question, if you don't like, don't participate in the thread!

I thought the post you are referring to was "respectful", and the poster did give his view on the original poster's question by stating his opinion that all carriers likely to require the 777 have already ordered them.

[Edited 2009-09-11 12:53:52]

User currently offlineTarheelwings From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8773 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
I also think that LAN may order 77Ls to replace their 343s.

Or as compensation for the 787 delay? They already have 777Fs so it probably would be a good fit. BTW, those 777s in LAN livery are beautiful birds!


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

Thanks Viscount,

I indeed cant see what possibly could be disrespectful in what I said. Its just something I discussed with LH guys the other day.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
the current OS CEO was quoted as saying that OS is having a recovery in longhaul traffic and that when a couple of the 767s come off lease they may be replaced by additional 777s

I very, very much doubt this man has anything decisive to say in that matter anymore. LH would rather transfer one or two A346s to OS than let them get more 772s. Though LH Technik is very well suited for 777s. The A300 fleet of LH was just wfu mainly because such a small fleet isnt economical anymore. Same must be said about 3 or 4 777s.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8708 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 17):
LH would rather transfer one or two A346s to OS than let them get more 772s.

Source? It wouldn't make any sense to operate both one or two A340s and four 777s. And how would LH replace the transferred A340s?

Quoting NA (Reply 17):
The A300 fleet of LH was just wfu mainly because such a small fleet isnt economical anymore. Same must be said about 3 or 4 777s.

There are numerous airlines with small fleets of long-haul types. You cannot compare that with LH's short- and medium-haul A300s. There are numerous reasons why LH has dumped the A300s, the size of the fleet wasn't a major one.


PH



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8680 times:

I guess as a long shot, IB if the merger with BA ever takes place might use some of BA's 777s, but I wouldn't bet on it...


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User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8581 times:



Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 19):
IB if the merger with BA ever takes place might use some of BA's 777s, but I wouldn't bet on it...

I believe a reason IB did not went for the 777 was because of concerns about the performance of a twinjet in hot and high airports, like Bogotá. Given the multiple "hot and high" airports they serve, I don{t think it would be a good idea for them to get some ex BA 777.


Its my understanding that concerns over the performance of twin jet long haul flights out of JNB ruled out the 777 for SAA too.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6596 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8525 times:



Quoting Tarheelwings (Reply 16):
Or as compensation for the 787 delay

Yes, just like Etiophian did. I'm sure their 77L order had something to do with 787 compensation.

The777Man



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8491 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
Source? It wouldn't make any sense to operate both one or two A340s and four 777s. And how would LH replace the transferred A340s?

First I spoke with some LH people about Austrian this week. My answer reflects that. Of cause they would not operate both the A340 and 777 in one rather small airline. But LH wouldnt add another 777 for Austrian. LH has to save 2 billions over the next years. To dump the microscopic, now oddball 777 and 767 fleets of Austrian would save millions. Better than firing people. Austrian now belongs to LH and thus will be subject to LH policy. Midterm it would be stupid to support a tiny subfleet of an alien type if the mother airline has a few widebodies too much anyway.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
There are numerous reasons why LH has dumped the A300s, the size of the fleet wasn't a major one.

Source? I heard it differently from INSIDE the airline. But of cause the A300 fleet age was the main factor.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8386 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 14):
I think it's possible that QF may order 777-300/ER to replace 744s eventually. I also think that LAN may order 77Ls to replace their 343s. Also China Airlines may order 777-300/ER to replace 744s.

While with QF "you never know" I think this highly unlikely. IF and it's a big IF, QF decide they need something between the B789 and A380, they are more likely to go for the bigger A350 models or even B787-10/-11 if Boeing ever decide to offer them, rather than a 20 year old design.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7840 times:

It would be great to see Air Pacific pick some up - would go for say 4 x 777-200 er, this would enable them to replace the 744's they have from SQ, this would also fill in the gap until their 787's arrive, and also would use it on their route to HKG - the 763 is getting a bit old theses days.

other airlines could be Icelandair again 772's theses would be very sexy birds

and if were dreaming bmi a mix of 200 and 300's come on BD fly to JNB, BA are a rip off.



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
25 VZLA787 : Airlines in South America really need to replace their Long Haul fleet very soon, and the 777 (used, of course), would make a great addition to their
26 Colinatl : I flew AV's new A330s several times this year between BOG and MIA and they were full every time. Perhaps AV could use a few 777's for this route and s
27 Pink77W : How about AIR ASIA , they seem to be growing by leaps and bounds
28 Asiaflyer : AirAsiaX has 23 A330 + 10 A350 on order from Airbus. In addition they are picking up second hand A340's. Should be enough for them for the time being
29 Afterburner : Garuda Indonesia has ordered 10 77W. IIRC, the first delivery will be in 2011.
30 Pink77W : Thx ASIAFLYER, I like Air Asia but i guess i wasn't paying that close attention
31 PlaneHunter : Upper management, pilots, FAs? There are thousands of "LH people". It would even save more millions to dump the whole fleet. What's relevant is the r
32 Boeingfever777 : No it does not as the a359 whenever in 2016 in comes replaces the A340's.
33 PEET7G : Possibly we didn't speak with the same guys, and some info do overlap with yours, but here is what I was hit with, and to be honest it is a bit more
34 Kiwiandrew : I doubt very much whether he would have publicly said that at the takeover ceremony with the new owners present without having run it past them first
35 Lot767sp-lpa : In the coming weeks CEO of LOT will negotiates to purchase at least 2-3 B777 for the delay of Dreamliners. The day when newest E-Jet(600th) arrived t
36 Robffm2 : We have seen a number of airlines taking new widebody planes, including the 77W for JJ and 332 for a number of operators. Care to explain why they sh
37 The777Man : Keeping a perspective longer into the future gives many more possible candidates especially considering there will prpbably be a lot of second hand 77
38 Jfk777 : There is a severe capacity shortage between BOG and Miami since AA doesn't have a high season third daily flight. AA also withdrew the A300 from use
39 Stitch : Well if LH wants to get rid of OS's 767s and 777s, now is the time to do so as their values are still strong. With similar age and hours, a 77E is wor
40 Viscount724 : What source do you use for that kind of information? Thanks.
41 VZLA787 : Capital restrictions, especially in Venezuela.
42 Stitch : I have access to industry resources that track averages for aircraft values and lease rates.
43 NZ193 : ANZ has finalised and ordering 777-300 to replace the current 747-400 that they are now starting to scrap. They already have 777-200 so will be intere
44 Asiaflyer : Yes, you are correct about the A359. My point was however that by the time CI replaces their relative young fleet of 744's, they will get fleet commo
45 LY777 : What do you think of AF buying some 77Ls?
46 Stitch : Are they routinely flying any 77E routes where they need to leave behind a good bit of payload?
47 DocLightning : I agree. If there ever were an airline that needs a 744 replacement, it's QF. The A380 is not a good 744 replacement, nor is the A330, nor is the 787
48 Viscount724 : I believe CDG-SCL (6291 nm) is AF's only nonstop route longer than 6000 nm. They use the 77E there. That's about 2000 nm shorter than an ULH route li
49 Stitch : The appeal of the 77L is not just the long legs, but the fact that it can haul a 77E's maximum payload about 2000nm farther so if you find yourself p
50 The777Man : Very true but I still don't see AF ordering the 77L. The777Man
51 CXB77L : I think you mean CO. CX do not have any 77E, nor do they operate EWR-HKG.
52 Pellegrine : I can't wait to see which second-hand operators will utilize 777 (and A340) series airplanes. How many operators ever max out payload-wise on a long-h
53 Viscount724 : Thanks. Yes, that was a typo.
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