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User currently offlineBraniff From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 108 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17196 times:

Hi all,

There have been a few recent threads about the possible rebirth of Eastern Airlines, but all of them seem to be closed and archived.

I want to mention something about the "new" Eastern that I overheard from a former Eastern captain who was a vendor at the Newark Airliner Show today (12 Sept 2009). I wish I had asked his name and taken his business card, but unfortunately I did not.

He confirmed that the project is still moving forward. As stated in the previous threads, the airline will start with A320's, the first of which will be painted in the vintage "Duckhawk" livery that now adorns the restored DC-7B, and subsequent liveries will use the "hockeystick" logo with possibly the same or similar colors and design.

When I asked where the airline will be based, he stated FLL, where previous threads held that it would be based in Miami. I asked if any stops might be in the NYC area, he said that ISP would likely be a destination, with at least two flights a day to FLL. The reason, he stated, was fuel and landing fees there were much cheaper, and that they would not have to deal with NY approach (only NY center) which he said simplifies things.

He claims the new target date for starting operations would be early 2010.

I agree that resurrecting airlines has been a very tricky subject, and many would rather just see it rest in peace, but at the same time the prospect of bringing back Eastern is very intriguing. In any case, I really hope their project "gets off the ground" and wish them the very best. Hope to fly with them someday if the opportunity arises.

Interested to hear if anyone else have any more recent news?

-B-


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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1357 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17179 times:

Look, I don't know how to say this exactly without sounding like a jerk, but.... you shouldn't get your industry insights from vendors at airliner hobby shows.


PS



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User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17157 times:

It wouldn't be any different than the "re-birth" of the old Pan Am. Same paint job, but very different companies. No relation.

On a similar note, I had heard USA3000 was going to change it's name to Eastern.

On another note 2: Based in FLL? Are they crazy? With Spirit and Jet Blue plus some significant other players there, they don't stand a chance. Maybe Spirit would change their name to Eastern.


User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1675 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17086 times:
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I would like to see that restored DC-7B become an active member of their fleet.

Bob Bradley
Richmond, VA



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User currently offlineLive2fly83 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17010 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 1):
Look, I don't know how to say this exactly without sounding like a jerk, but.... you shouldn't get your industry insights from vendors at airliner hobby shows.

agreed, the old Eastern as we knew it is dead
However USA3000 rebranding might work Wink
but an FLL base against B6 and Spirit?? crazy! then again VX just announced that route too...



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User currently offlineBraniff From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 16818 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 1):
Look, I don't know how to say this exactly without sounding like a jerk, but.... you shouldn't get your industry insights from vendors at airliner hobby shows.

Normally I'd say you're probably right and I'd agree. But he seemed very involved with this endeavor and seemed very knowledgable about the whole thing. Then again, who knows...I've been known to be gullible.

It might have been Bill Hirsch, but again, I'm not sure. He's based in NY and has been quite involved with the 7B restoration and with Eastern in general and from what I can tell he has been at past Newark shows.

-B-



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13644 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16533 times:
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I'd be more interested in seeing AirTran buy the EA name, logo, service marks, etc and re-brand themselves as Eastern.

73Gs and 717s in the hockeystick livery? Helloooooo, gorgeous!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5624 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16354 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
I'd be more interested in seeing AirTran buy the EA name, logo, service marks, etc and re-brand themselves as Eastern.

73Gs and 717s in the hockeystick livery? Helloooooo, gorgeous!

That'd be awesome!

FLL-ISP? Uh....

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineT8KE0FF From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15743 times:

hmmm.... found this...
http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2009...stern-airlines-color-us-skeptical/



I wasn't around for Eastern but from what I have heard they are exellent. Would rather see Pan Am start up again (a proper one... not that lousy one in the carrabean i think...)




But anyway, does it look realistic?? Do you think they might restart?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33040 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15725 times:



Quoting Braniff (Thread starter):
When I asked where the airline will be based, he stated FLL, where previous threads held that it would be based in Miami.

It's MIA. In fact, there is a lot of local money from the Miami-Dade government going to backing the project up.

That being said, I would be shocked if the "new" Eastern ever gets off the ground.



a.
User currently offlineBeechnut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 726 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14098 times:

Eastern: the only airline that lost my luggage every single time I flew with them (about 3 or 4 times).

Kinda kills any nostalgia I might have felt for them.

Beech


User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13339 times:

My only ever flight on an L1011 was with Eastern from JFK to MCO.


What a dose of good luck that was, our original TWA connection had already left due to our TWA flight from LHR being late arriving.


My best guess is that there were about 30 passengers on board, not good for business and, it was announced that we would be getting the famous Eastern midnight supper during the flight. Well, i dont remember too much about that other than it was an apple and some other light hearted attempt at a snack. But i still felt privileged to be there.

That was in November 1986



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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12881 times:

only had the chance to fly Eastern back in the early 70's so I remember an airline that had good personal service and fairly clean planes that got me to TPA and RSW to visit family. However the way Eastern went out of business sounds like it would be a hard sell it some of the flying public. However we are talking about an airline the has been dead for how many years now so you are talking about a new group of the general public that has not even heard of Eastern or nay of it ugly past. I wish them good luck!


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 12544 times:

First of all, I don't understand why anyone would want to get into the airline business right now with the economy so bad. Second of all, if you did want to start up your own airline why would you want to name it after a failed airline. We have to remember that there are many people who fly that have bad memories of the old Eastern Airlines. I happened to like them, but I think it is always best to start with a fresh approach to things including a new name.


God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 12518 times:

Completely agree. It's not just a dumb time to start a new airline (hey how come no one's answering at the Skybus reservations line? Hmmm, maybe I should call Independence Air....oh, hi there, National!!!). It's a dumb time (and there won't ever be a smart one) to try to RESTART a LEGACY airline.

I have distaste for EA as well, based on every time I flew them. Always with the overbooking.



Pancakes are delicious.
User currently offlineUnitedFA07 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12312 times:

This is off this subject, mainly because I have no clue how to post a forum, but everyone likes to abbreviate things, airports, airlines, cities, etc. Some of the abbreviations don't match up when it's underlined and you move the cursor on it. Is there a glossary or something on here to know what you guys mean by some abbreviations. I'm in the airline industry but doesn't mean I know what they all are. If there is not a "glossary" on this website could the powers at be make one, or is there a website I could use to find out what they are. Thanks.

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

Personally, I'd LOVE to see the Eastern name/livery fly again! I flew them a few times as a wide-eyed airline-enthusiast teen, and found them no better or worse than any other airline. But, I loved their concentration of routes in the Carolinas (although I lived in Alabama at the time), and the hockey-stick livery. It's still a modern look that would wear well.


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User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12009 times:

I too would love to see Air Tran take over the Eastern name. I always thought Air Tran was a weak, unimaginative name.

Now if we could only get Sun Country to take the Braniff name...how great would that be!


User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11825 times:



Quoting Seatback (Reply 17):
Now if we could only get Sun Country to take the Braniff name...how great would that be!

I don't know if that will ever happen.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the Braniff family purchased the name rights after the third Braniff shut down to prevent it from being used for any additional start-ups.


User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11782 times:



Quoting UnitedFA07 (Reply 15):
If there is not a "glossary" on this website could the powers at be make one, or is there a website I could use to find out what they are. Thanks.

http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/home.asp



Pancakes are delicious.
User currently offlineB707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11528 times:

No offense to any past EA'erns, but it was no great loss. With the exception of an excellent steak I had in F ATL-LGA once, there service was lousy, facilities icky and overall a so so carrier. Perhaps in the heyday of their stretch DC-8s out of JFK that I used to watch or them momentary time with 747s in the beginning... by the end they were like a defeated team. They and Delta's superior service did them in.

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11470 times:



Quoting Seatback (Reply 17):
Now if we could only get Sun Country to take the Braniff name...how great would that be!

Heck, this ole BN 1 ramprat would be one of the first to buy a ticket!!
safe



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User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11273 times:



Quoting Seatback (Reply 17):
I too would love to see Air Tran take over the Eastern name. I always thought Air Tran was a weak, unimaginative name.

Although I have never flown AirTran, from what I know about them they are a fairly good airline with a good reputation. To take the Eastern name would be a huge mistake IMO.

I had flown Eastern and had no problems with them. Unfortunately they had a bad reputation in their last years.

Now if I had a charter airline (Legacy Airlines - which I think is already taken) operating some 737's I think it would be neat to have paint schemes of EA, PA (If possible), NA (1), BN (1), TW, etc. I say operating 737's only because Airbii would look too out of place IMO. The schemes being like what US has done with PI, AW, AL, PS, unfortunately these schemes are on A319's, but with the 737's on the way out I take what I can get!

However this EA (2) rumor has been around so long, I just do not see it happening. It sounds like the former Captain is like me kinda wanting to relive the past, back when things were much better in the industry overall.

I do disagree about now being a bad time to startup a new airline. When the economy is down, is when the opprtunity is best for a variety of reasons. Aircraft acquisition expense is generally lower, Airport facilities are usually easier to get (of course there are exceptioins at some airports), the competition is not normally as agressive in trying to shut you out, as they are hurting as well, your employee cost are already low being a startup, Airport rents tend to be lower for new entrants as the airports are wanting to recoup some of their lost revenue due to other carriers cutting back, etc. There are other things I am not mentioning here, but all of the above are much higher and work against you in a good economy.

As a new carrier you are more likely to lose money the first year or two or three, so you better have your financing in order, ala JetBlue or Virgin America. You just better do your homework, and have a good plan in place.

Later

MD


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9712 times:

There are airlines that, at one time, had a great image. Pan Am and TWA come to mind. The original Braniff, besides its colorful fleet, had service that was over the top. My father used to pick Braniff over American, when the company was paying for first class in the late 70s, because the food was so much better.

So, to reuse the Pan Am and Braniff brands the first time made some sense.

On the other hand, I know a lot of people who, if given the choice between Eastern and Delta in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, flew Delta. The flights were more likely to be on time. The food was edible. The fight attendants and CSAs were friendlier. The service overall, was better.

My father used to call Eastern the world's largest unscheduled airline, because the flights were so prone to delays.

So, to bring back the Eastern name, either for a new carrier or to rename an existing carrier, just doesn't make sense. Yes, there are many people who have heard of Eastern but don't know of its history, but there are also a lot of people who remember what a poorly-run operation it was.


User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9503 times:
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Quoting Seatback (Reply 2):
It wouldn't be any different than the "re-birth" of the old Pan Am. Same paint job, but very different companies. No relation



Quoting Live2fly83 (Reply 4):
the old Eastern as we knew it is dead

On a related note, There was a "Western Airlines" which operated three years ago with a single leased 737 but it discontinued operations because of a large debt. It was definitely not the old Western Airlines with the "flying W".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_(airline)



Good Day  

Russell

[Edited 2009-09-14 11:23:58]


Things aren't always as they seem
25 MasseyBrown : Another version of this that was popular went "Delta is always late too; but they're SO nice about it." Without question EA's customer service regula
26 GSPSPOT : Those two names have been re-used/beat up so many times after the originals died, that they mean next to nothing now, while EA's hasn't. There's that
27 September11 : Well, well, well ... I'm all for "new" Eastern.
28 PlanesNTrains : Twenty years later, a whole generation has passed that would even remember Eastern, while a new generation has emerged that could care less about them
29 Viscount724 : It's a tossup whether Eastern or US Air were the butt of more jokes in those days. Eastern had a poor service reputation for many years. Also, as a s
30 September11 : America West, Air Florida, Trans World, ... back to topic, has DOT issued a certificate for "new" Eastern?[Edited 2009-09-15 05:26:18]
31 Dispatchguy : I Just looked through the dockets searching on "Eastern Airlines", and the only responses are dockets filed by China Eastern, not even an application
32 Cessna172RG : I thought Frank Lorenzo was gonna restart it out of LaGuardia...
33 Apodino : Don't forget SkyWest or Atlantic Southeast Airlines.
34 MAH4546 : No paperwork required when you just need to buy USA 3000.
35 Aviateur : What's somewhat interesting is that three of those -- Southern, Hughes Airwest, and North Central -- are today part of another compass-point carrier,
36 Ckfred : That's true. IIRC, someone was trying to start an airline called Great Plains Airline a few years ago, based in Oklahoma. Rather than go through all
37 PlaneAdmirer : I flew Eastern once as I was about to graduate college on the NY Shuttle from LGA to DCA and it was during a strike, I think. It was ok considering th
38 DLDTW1962 : I would think the could pick a better place the FLL to have a base. And as far as changing NKs name to EA. That is an insult to EA. Please EA was much
39 Selcalcheckok : These flights talk to the ISP sector at the NY TRACON.
40 EA CO AS : First off, CO never owned EA. CO and EA were both owned by the same holding company, Texas Air Corporation. Second, in Chapter 7 everything - includi
41 MAH4546 : It is now owned by a Miami-based group of investors trying to re-launch the airline.
42 EA CO AS : Wasn't some guy up in Pennsylvania the owner until recently? I seem to recall a private individual ended up owning them for awhile.
43 MAH4546 : Correct. It was sold earlier this year to a Miami investor group.
44 GothamSpotter : There is a Bill Hirsh on the vendor list. I saw him at the show, didn't speak to him though.
45 Lightsaber : In that thread I questioned why. Wow... My only memories of Eastern are with the dirtiest planes in the sky. I also recall their service at the end..
46 PlaneAdmirer : I stand corrected.
47 EA CO AS : Apologies if I came across as harsh, as I wasn't trying to "correct" you - just provide info you may not have known about. Cheers!
48 Braniff : I'd be right behind you! Ya, sorry for the confusion - had it backwards. ISP is north of the NY ARTCC so they would not be dealing with it - only N90
49 Jeffrey1970 : I think that because of the economy a lot of businesses are going to be cutting back on travel for a long time, and that is any airline's bread and b
50 CO767FA : Correct - get them here! Amateurs like us are much more knowledgeable.
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