Braniff From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 108 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18114 times:
There have been a few recent threads about the possible rebirth of Eastern Airlines, but all of them seem to be closed and archived.
I want to mention something about the "new" Eastern that I overheard from a former Eastern captain who was a vendor at the Newark Airliner Show today (12 Sept 2009). I wish I had asked his name and taken his business card, but unfortunately I did not.
He confirmed that the project is still moving forward. As stated in the previous threads, the airline will start with A320's, the first of which will be painted in the vintage "Duckhawk" livery that now adorns the restored DC-7B, and subsequent liveries will use the "hockeystick" logo with possibly the same or similar colors and design.
When I asked where the airline will be based, he stated FLL, where previous threads held that it would be based in Miami. I asked if any stops might be in the NYC area, he said that ISP would likely be a destination, with at least two flights a day to FLL. The reason, he stated, was fuel and landing fees there were much cheaper, and that they would not have to deal with NY approach (only NY center) which he said simplifies things.
He claims the new target date for starting operations would be early 2010.
I agree that resurrecting airlines has been a very tricky subject, and many would rather just see it rest in peace, but at the same time the prospect of bringing back Eastern is very intriguing. In any case, I really hope their project "gets off the ground" and wish them the very best. Hope to fly with them someday if the opportunity arises.
Interested to hear if anyone else have any more recent news?
Braniff From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17736 times:
Quoting Aviateur (Reply 1): Look, I don't know how to say this exactly without sounding like a jerk, but.... you shouldn't get your industry insights from vendors at airliner hobby shows.
Normally I'd say you're probably right and I'd agree. But he seemed very involved with this endeavor and seemed very knowledgable about the whole thing. Then again, who knows...I've been known to be gullible.
It might have been Bill Hirsch, but again, I'm not sure. He's based in NY and has been quite involved with the 7B restoration and with Eastern in general and from what I can tell he has been at past Newark shows.
NEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 743 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14257 times:
My only ever flight on an L1011 was with Eastern from JFK to MCO.
What a dose of good luck that was, our original TWA connection had already left due to our TWA flight from LHR being late arriving.
My best guess is that there were about 30 passengers on board, not good for business and, it was announced that we would be getting the famous Eastern midnight supper during the flight. Well, i dont remember too much about that other than it was an apple and some other light hearted attempt at a snack. But i still felt privileged to be there.
That was in November 1986
There isnt really a dark side to the moon, as a matter of fact its all dark!
YXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1040 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13799 times:
only had the chance to fly Eastern back in the early 70's so I remember an airline that had good personal service and fairly clean planes that got me to TPA and RSW to visit family. However the way Eastern went out of business sounds like it would be a hard sell it some of the flying public. However we are talking about an airline the has been dead for how many years now so you are talking about a new group of the general public that has not even heard of Eastern or nay of it ugly past. I wish them good luck!
I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
Jeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1349 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13462 times:
First of all, I don't understand why anyone would want to get into the airline business right now with the economy so bad. Second of all, if you did want to start up your own airline why would you want to name it after a failed airline. We have to remember that there are many people who fly that have bad memories of the old Eastern Airlines. I happened to like them, but I think it is always best to start with a fresh approach to things including a new name.
Airstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13436 times:
Completely agree. It's not just a dumb time to start a new airline (hey how come no one's answering at the Skybus reservations line? Hmmm, maybe I should call Independence Air....oh, hi there, National!!!). It's a dumb time (and there won't ever be a smart one) to try to RESTART a LEGACY airline.
I have distaste for EA as well, based on every time I flew them. Always with the overbooking.
UnitedFA07 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13230 times:
This is off this subject, mainly because I have no clue how to post a forum, but everyone likes to abbreviate things, airports, airlines, cities, etc. Some of the abbreviations don't match up when it's underlined and you move the cursor on it. Is there a glossary or something on here to know what you guys mean by some abbreviations. I'm in the airline industry but doesn't mean I know what they all are. If there is not a "glossary" on this website could the powers at be make one, or is there a website I could use to find out what they are. Thanks.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3274 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13131 times:
Personally, I'd LOVE to see the Eastern name/livery fly again! I flew them a few times as a wide-eyed airline-enthusiast teen, and found them no better or worse than any other airline. But, I loved their concentration of routes in the Carolinas (although I lived in Alabama at the time), and the hockey-stick livery. It's still a modern look that would wear well.
N702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12743 times:
Quoting Seatback (Reply 17): Now if we could only get Sun Country to take the Braniff name...how great would that be!
I don't know if that will ever happen.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the Braniff family purchased the name rights after the third Braniff shut down to prevent it from being used for any additional start-ups.
B707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12446 times:
No offense to any past EA'erns, but it was no great loss. With the exception of an excellent steak I had in F ATL-LGA once, there service was lousy, facilities icky and overall a so so carrier. Perhaps in the heyday of their stretch DC-8s out of JFK that I used to watch or them momentary time with 747s in the beginning... by the end they were like a defeated team. They and Delta's superior service did them in.
MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12191 times:
Quoting Seatback (Reply 17): I too would love to see Air Tran take over the Eastern name. I always thought Air Tran was a weak, unimaginative name.
Although I have never flown AirTran, from what I know about them they are a fairly good airline with a good reputation. To take the Eastern name would be a huge mistake IMO.
I had flown Eastern and had no problems with them. Unfortunately they had a bad reputation in their last years.
Now if I had a charter airline (Legacy Airlines - which I think is already taken) operating some 737's I think it would be neat to have paint schemes of EA, PA (If possible), NA (1), BN (1), TW, etc. I say operating 737's only because Airbii would look too out of place IMO. The schemes being like what US has done with PI, AW, AL, PS, unfortunately these schemes are on A319's, but with the 737's on the way out I take what I can get!
However this EA (2) rumor has been around so long, I just do not see it happening. It sounds like the former Captain is like me kinda wanting to relive the past, back when things were much better in the industry overall.
I do disagree about now being a bad time to startup a new airline. When the economy is down, is when the opprtunity is best for a variety of reasons. Aircraft acquisition expense is generally lower, Airport facilities are usually easier to get (of course there are exceptioins at some airports), the competition is not normally as agressive in trying to shut you out, as they are hurting as well, your employee cost are already low being a startup, Airport rents tend to be lower for new entrants as the airports are wanting to recoup some of their lost revenue due to other carriers cutting back, etc. There are other things I am not mentioning here, but all of the above are much higher and work against you in a good economy.
As a new carrier you are more likely to lose money the first year or two or three, so you better have your financing in order, ala JetBlue or Virgin America. You just better do your homework, and have a good plan in place.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5552 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10630 times:
There are airlines that, at one time, had a great image. Pan Am and TWA come to mind. The original Braniff, besides its colorful fleet, had service that was over the top. My father used to pick Braniff over American, when the company was paying for first class in the late 70s, because the food was so much better.
So, to reuse the Pan Am and Braniff brands the first time made some sense.
On the other hand, I know a lot of people who, if given the choice between Eastern and Delta in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, flew Delta. The flights were more likely to be on time. The food was edible. The fight attendants and CSAs were friendlier. The service overall, was better.
My father used to call Eastern the world's largest unscheduled airline, because the flights were so prone to delays.
So, to bring back the Eastern name, either for a new carrier or to rename an existing carrier, just doesn't make sense. Yes, there are many people who have heard of Eastern but don't know of its history, but there are also a lot of people who remember what a poorly-run operation it was.
On a related note, There was a "Western Airlines" which operated three years ago with a single leased 737 but it discontinued operations because of a large debt. It was definitely not the old Western Airlines with the "flying W".