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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3478 times:
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Some time ago there was a lot of talk about the future of MA. Now, I couldn't find pretty much anything besides their order for the 30 sukhoi planes. Is the deal still valid?
How did they survive the summer season, and what are they plans for the coming winter period? And how did the crisis that struck Hungary affect them and other carriers at BUD.
I know their flights from LCA to BUD are usually full, and operated by 736 and sometimes the 737, but then again that is only one route.

Thanks in advance

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User currently offlineNormie999 From United Kingdom, joined May 2009, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

Well things don't seem to be looking great for Malev right now - currently talk of a new business plan "restoring profitability within three years", but also talk of the Hungarian state buying back a chunk of it previous;y sold to private investors (including Russian ones).

Russian backers may be behind the selection of the Sukhoi Superjet - here is some editorialising on the subject. Also, news of new routes here.

If the Russians are bought out it will be interesting to see if the Superjet deal survives.


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Simple answer...no real plans, no real owner, no real strategy, no nothing...

MA was the victim of a Russian economy criminal and a corrupt government that went along with the game. The company has been parted out into profitable and non profitable sections (of course the profitable sections have been sold out) and the money pledged in the privatization contract never arrived. I think this is the only country within the EU where criminals can get away with such violation of signed contracts...

So the picture is: Mr Abramovich never did what he promised, his gang never lived up to the privatization contract and never invested any money into MA, on the contrary sold every valuable out and when they finally screwed everything up even at home, finally MA was taken over by the Vnyesekonombank of Russia. I don't even want to go into a long writeup on all the scandals and the conflict of interest since this bank is also controlling owner of SU a Skyteam member and how much more important for them is to route every passenger thrue OK or SU flights, etc, etc, etc...
Important routes like MUC have been abonded (no one can explain that) Long Haul has been stopped 767s a wasted away, all operations seriously down sized, and the new website is a joke, a kid could make a better one. The Duna Club FF program is a joke, web services are a joke... All MA fans are only having tears in our eyes, and the only hope MA might have is after next years elections. The privatization contract should be terminated the scums involved should be jailed, MA either brought under strict management or sold to a real investor (who where excluded from earlier privatization rounds to play the company into Mr.Abramovich's hands)
MA needs a real management, rationalization of operations, downsizing where needed and most importantly start working on marketing, on-line services, FF program, etc.

As for the SSJ order, it is only a LOI yet, and I hope will never go thrue... As an aviation enthusiast I am happy for the SSJ program, but that contract was signed under pressure from Russian state owned bank and Russian owners of a competing airline...(of course publicly it was stated that MA management was not under influence, but never believe press releases)

I can go on and on, but at the end of the day my opinion is that either the current MA must be rescued from the hands of current management or let it go bust, and give the chance to restart from scratch... MA is still my fav airline, I will be flying them to FRA and AMS next week and they still provide the friendliest service in the region, the crew is great...but it is the 25th hour of the day in MA's life and someone needs to shake the owners up quickly or face the end...  Sad



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3227 times:
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WoW... So things are looking really bad for Malev! It's a shame, they are such a cool airline, and have one of the nicest liveries around.
I remember about 8-10 years ago we would fly MA LCA-BUD and then take a bus to Belgrade. Back then their service was exceptional, I remember they served hot meals (gulash) on a 2h20min flight. My sister took them some time ago from LCA-BUD-DUB and said that all they got was a sandwich, a very bad one...

As far as the SSJ planes go, why would they replace the existing Boeing fleet, those planes are a few years old!!! That just shows how bad their managment is!
Would the European comission allow the Hungarian government to buy back the shares, and nationalize the airline?
So is there going to be a tender for MA to be sold after the elections?

What is happening in BUD? How are the numbers there?
I heard that MA is also cutting their Balkan flights to ZAG and Podgorica. Any idea why?


User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

I understand PEET7G's emotions.
But Abramovich (we all know it's another one, not Roman flying on greatly painted 767-300 and residing in London) is a notorious figure here in Russia too.
I still believed there were real plans while AirUnion had been established and MA stake aquired.
But it didn't work out.
And it affected tens of thousands of people here in Russia.
All AirUnion companies are grounded, bancrupted.
And it is happening at the hard time for airline industry.

For more expanded investigation we would better have facts and agreements.
I guess that MA stake, owned by Vnesheconombank, isi available for buying.

Well, we should not be childish and think that MA merger with AF-KLM or LH would be a sweet deal.
Many comments sound so naive when this "We would have better merged with _____"
Not that simple.


User currently offlineLuckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

I just flew Malev on the AMS-BUD sector. The service was fine for a sector of that length, though honestly all I wanted to do was get off the damn plane and go to sleep after a LONG ATL-AMS.
Anecdote aside, Malev, if you ask me, is suffering the same problem as other "Eastern Block" carriers no matter how good a service they and their home facilities provide. They are simply at the moment too small a market. As such, they have a very difficult time reaching critical mass. At the same time big brother Lufthansa and big sister Air France are gargantuan and offer one stop service to most of the planet. Aiding this difficulty is geography. Budapest is a relatively short distance from two other long haul airports--Vienna and then Prague--as well as being less than two hours flying time from four other MAJOR European hubs. It just adds up to an unpleasant situation.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3024 times:
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How much are they profiting from the One World membership?
They are the only airline from Eastern Europe and even central europe, so shouldn't they use that as an advantage?
Maybe a change in alliance would be better? SkyTeam perhaps?


User currently offlineF1eddie From Ireland, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

I dont see it mentioned here but they are dropping DUB. Not sure when but its soon enough. Its going from daily to non at all...


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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2975 times:
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It doesn't make sense to cut a route from daily to none! Wouldn't it make more sense if it went to 4x week or something?
Does EI fly yo BUD?


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2958 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 8):
Does EI fly yo BUD?

Yes.

I am curious - on May 1, 2004 when all those eastern European countries joined the EU, there was lots of immigration to Ireland...in fact, I swear, I can ride the LUAS, especially outside of city centre, and I hear more Polish than English! Now, 5+ years after, has that immigration slowed down, and with it the need for connections between Ireland and eastern Europe?


User currently offlineF1eddie From Ireland, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Not only slowed down but has probably reversed. They all came here for the building boom, which has now completely gone out the window and crashed with a big bang... We actually have Irish people beginning to work again in McDonald's (which was a no no for Irish in the boom).

EI do fly the route and so does FR. So not only did they have good competition, they also had less and less customers, eventually leading to their withdrawal from Ireland. Pity. We have had a lot of airlines leaving Ireland because of this recession. Sky Europe also had quite an impressive amount of routes to here in 07. We have also lost LOT due to these factors.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2759 times:
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Does FR fly into BUD or some obscure secondary airport?

User currently offlineF1eddie From Ireland, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Surprisingly they fly into BUD from DUB. So stiff competition there


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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2658 times:
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WoW... Have either EI or FR been cutting down on the frequencies? How often do they fly?
It's going to be interesting to see if they are going to incerase the flights now...


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

For this Summer I can tell you they milked the BUD-BEY route like no other!

There were usually 2 red-eye overnight round-trips per day within minutes of one another.

Of course nothing was organized to cope with the amount of traffic (a B777 to a B747 full) spread between two B738s having similar flight numbers and similarly confused passengers not knowing which gate to go to in an airport that usually doesn't see that kind of operation.

We flew them several times back and forth to Lebanon this year and are glad cola is back on board, but they are not in our immediate and already booked plans.

Hope they stick around though.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2482 times:
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Sorry but are you saying that MA operated two flights a night on the BUD-BEY flight?
How come there is such a demand on that route, and how on earth did MA manage to achieve that?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2467 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 11):
Does FR fly into BUD or some obscure secondary airport?



Quoting JU068 (Reply 11):
Surprisingly they fly into BUD from DUB. So stiff competition there

Ironically, FR (and U2 and several other low-cost carriers) use T1 at BUD which was the the old original terminal before T2 was built. T1 is a few km closer to the city centre than T2. If you take public transport (metro/bus) to the airport, the bus stops at T1 first and it takes another 15 minutes or so to T2.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2353 times:
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WoW how come the two terminals are so far apart?
Is there some circular road going around the airport or...?


Does someone know what are other airlines preparing for the winter season for their BUD operations?


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2145 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 6):
How much are they profiting from the One World membership?

Almost to zero... mainly thanks to the zero contact they have with other OW members, of course they synchronized operations to London with BA, and they have some code sharing with AA flights (the only way to JFK since MA stopped all LH services), but since neither JL nor CX nor AA has any flights into BUD the very few code shares are the max. ( you can't even book a flight to BUD on CX or JL sites)
Of course this is not surprising OW, to my opinion it is the laziest and slowest working alliance of the big 3, and BA is the worst owner of all  Sad

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 12):
Surprisingly they fly into BUD from DUB. So stiff competition there

It is the reason behind MA dumping DUB, however an other bad move, because there is a significant Hungarian population in Ireland, and that route is being milked by FR and EI, but MA simply refuses to enter into a price war, so they withdraw instead.

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 14):
For this Summer I can tell you they milked the BUD-BEY route like no other!

MA has a strong brand in Lebanon, and I myself use this flight several times to and from BEY, and have lots of friends in Lebanon who use MA service to and from not just BUD, but the region...

Quoting JU068 (Reply 15):
Sorry but are you saying that MA operated two flights a night on the BUD-BEY flight?

Yes it was very common, since the 738 is the biggest they now operate, this was the only solution... taking the 767 out of storage was not worth it.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 17):
WoW how come the two terminals are so far apart?
Is there some circular road going around the airport or...?

Simple, the 2 Terminals serve 2 different purpose. T1 is only for budget carriers and LCC, while T2 is for main line carriers. There is a bus service running between the 2 terminals. T2 Currently a big construction site as the new terminal is well under construction...Managed and done by Germans, it is going ahead as planned  Wink
more here on BUD future program: http://www.bud.hu/english/bud_future



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2124 times:
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Oh wow! How come MA managed to position it's self like that in BEY? Surely it helps it a lot that there aren't many Eastern European airlines there...no?
What other Middle Eastern airlines does MA operate to and how are they doing?


Sine OneWorld is so bad for them, why not leave it and try to join another one? Like SkyTeam even tough I am sure OK wouldn't be too happy about that


User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1881 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 19):
Oh wow! How come MA managed to position it's self like that in BEY? Surely it helps it a lot that there aren't many Eastern European airlines there...no?

On some nights.early mornings, they had three departues out of BEY:

4:00 AM
4:10 AM
4:20 AM

insane.......but I was surpsied too!!!! My gyess is that most everybody was connecting to other points in Europe. We were considering flying them on our way from LHR to BEY, but we opted for the non-stop on BMI


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1782 times:
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WoW so they operated like that the whole time during the summer season...
Don't they have some 762's stored somewhere?
And why not lease a larger plane for such an operation?


User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1711 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 21):
WoW so they operated like that the whole time during the summer season...
Don't they have some 762's stored somewhere?
And why not lease a larger plane for such an operation?

I think one or two nights a week....Otherwsie, it was just daily departure. My guess is that the additional frequencies only operated during the last two weeks of August


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