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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11231 times:

The Bureau of Labor Statistics' National Census of Fatal Occupation Injuries did extensive research. The resulting workplace fatalities job ranking:

1. Fishers and Related Fishing Workers
2. Logging Workers
3. Aircraft Pilots and Flight Engineers
The Job: Operate planes and helicopters.
The Dangers: Testing equipment, emergency response, crashes
The Fatality Rate: 72.4 (per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers)
Total Fatalities in 2008: 90

4. Structural Iron and Steel Workers
5. Farmers and Ranchers

http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/a...liest-jobs.html?mod=insurance-life



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Well probably they are on average better paid, make less hours per year (<1000hrs) and have lower risk of getting wounded then the other 4 jobs, to ease the pain..

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11194 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
3. Aircraft Pilots and Flight Engineers
The Job: Operate planes and helicopters.
The Dangers: Testing equipment, emergency response, crashes
The Fatality Rate: 72.4 (per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers)
Total Fatalities in 2008: 90

I always knew it... That's why my life insurance is rather expensive Big grin

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User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11138 times:



Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Well probably they are on average better paid, make less hours per year (<1000hrs) and have lower risk of getting wounded then the other 4 jobs, to ease the pain..

far from it. In the last decade pilot pay has dropped so low and working conditions have degraded to the point that pilots are not properly compensated for their skill and the risk that they assume on each flight. There are pilots in the United States that qualify for food stamps.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11101 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Well probably they are on average better paid, make less hours per year (<1000hrs) and have lower risk of getting wounded then the other 4 jobs, to ease the pain..

Certainly this is one of those situations where the stats can be twisted to represent just about any point of view..

Would be enlightening to see a breakdown of fatalities by aviation sector. For example it would seem to me that fatalities for CFIs or News Media Pilots would be far higher than for your typical airline pilot.



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User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11080 times:



Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3):
Would be enlightening to see a breakdown of fatalities by aviation sector. For example it would seem to me that fatalities for CFIs or News Media Pilots would be far higher than for your typical airline pilot.

Part 135 operations tends to have a higher fatality rate than part 121.

Other food for thought: Pilots are radiation workers (UV rays) and our chances of getting skin cancer is among the highest in the world.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11070 times:
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Quoting ILUV767 (Reply 4):
Pilots are radiation workers (UV rays) and our chances of getting skin cancer is among the highest in the world.

Don't forget about the problems with the back, sitting all day long. Heart problems due to lack of sleep, different time zones, weird working times etc. And a high rate of alcoholics and suicide and divorce... All not good for the body...

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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4883 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11070 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 1):
I always knew it... That's why my life insurance is rather expensive

Actually mine is cheaper than the average Joe 9-5er!

I think this is more a function of number of pilots as opposed to how dangerous it is. Just twisting the stats around. They used to announce that being an Astronaut was the most dangerous career ... same reason, not a lot around.

Using the same function of stats, its how Concorde can go from the safest airliner on the earth to the most dangerous ... with one accident!



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User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11054 times:

This has been discussed on another site. The stats include all pilots, ie - instructing, fire fighting, crop spraying etc etc. The airline crew figures if separated would be tiny.

User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11038 times:
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Quoting LongHauler (Reply 6):
Actually mine is cheaper than the average Joe 9-5er!

Good. Mine isn't  Sad

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 6):
I think this is more a function of number of pilots as opposed to how dangerous it is. Just twisting the stats around. They used to announce that being an Astronaut was the most dangerous career ... same reason, not a lot around.

THat's always the problem about statistics. They can be seen from different perspectives with different results.
Just like you said with the Concorde...

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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4883 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11013 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 8):
Good. Mine isn't

I am not familiar with what is available in Germany, perhaps you can shop around.

I was quoted 'that because i am an airline pilot" my insurance in less expensive.
Also mentioned was that I drive to work only 3 times a month, instead of 20, and traffic fatalities are high on the list of death causes.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10995 times:
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Quoting LongHauler (Reply 9):
I am not familiar with what is available in Germany, perhaps you can shop around.

I did and I have pretty much the cheapest already (for what I want and need).

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 9):
I was quoted 'that because i am an airline pilot" my insurance in less expensive.
Also mentioned was that I drive to work only 3 times a month, instead of 20, and traffic fatalities are high on the list of death causes.

Maybe because I am commuting by plane as well  And flying to more or less dangerous places... I don't know.

Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 7):
The airline crew figures if separated would be tiny.

Yup, I guess so. There are far less people who die in an airliner than in a small prop plane...

wilco737

[Edited 2009-09-13 08:09:56]


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19297 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10688 times:



Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):

1. Fishers and Related Fishing Workers
2. Logging Workers
3. Aircraft Pilots and Flight Engineers
The Job: Operate planes and helicopters.
The Dangers: Testing equipment, emergency response, crashes
The Fatality Rate: 72.4 (per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers)
Total Fatalities in 2008: 90
4. Structural Iron and Steel Workers
5. Farmers and Ranchers

I think they forgot the #1 most dangerous job in the world: President of the United States. With an almost 10% job-related fatality rate (4 assasinations out of 44 Presidents), it's got to be up there with "Confederate Foot Soldier in the Civil War" and "First guy on the beach in Normandy." Not only that, but EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT SINCE NIXON has had at least one serious attempt except Obama (so far.)

Nobody ever thinks of it as a dangerous job, but it's so dangerous that it requires a multi-billion-dollar Secret Service to keep the President safe.

I know I'm being pedantic, but it is a fun set of statistics to trot out.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21458 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10655 times:

Commercial airline pilot is not even close to one of the top 5 most dangerous jobs in the USA. This list includes test pilots, helo pilots, tour operators, search and rescue pilots, water bomber pilots, etc. etc.

Further, the arguments about being paid more as compensation doesn't hold, as the highest paid pilots are usually at the least risk, and farmers and ranchers are in far more danger, but don't make nearly as much.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 5):
suicide and divorce... All not good for the body...

Suicide is obviously not good for the body, but divorce?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
Nobody ever thinks of it as a dangerous job, but it's so dangerous that it requires a multi-billion-dollar Secret Service to keep the President safe.

And even then, Cobra was able to replace the President with a nano-controlled doppelganger!



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19297 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10635 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):

Suicide is obviously not good for the body, but divorce?

You haven't apparently met WILCO's wife.  Wink  duck 


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3527 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10365 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 5):
suicide and divorce... All not good for the body...


Suicide is obviously not good for the body, but divorce?

One of my staff often quotes "why is divorce expensive ? because its worth it"


User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1458 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9921 times:

Working on an Aircraft Carrier is one of the most dangerous "not deadliest jobs" in the world. You have to keep your head on a swivel especially during flight operations, and shoudn't be anywhere around the flight deck during flight operations unless you need to be there.

http://www.navysite.de/cvn/catcom.htm

Of course the article goes by statistics and for the most part I agree with it.

Mike

[Edited 2009-09-13 14:56:28]

User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9702 times:

I'm sorry, but isn't the military a job? They get paid for it right? And they obviously have the most fatalities. Idk, maybe i'm reading it wrong.


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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1458 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9517 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 16):
I'm sorry, but isn't the military a job? They get paid for it right? And they obviously have the most fatalities. Idk, maybe i'm reading it wrong.

Yes it a job. But this is not about "military or combat" that is for another topic. I was making a statement. My point is simply working around the flight deck while jets are launching and recovering on a Aircraft Carrier is one of the most dangerous not "deadly” jobs in the world in comparison with such jobs as Firefighters etc...

Hope that clears it up.

Mike


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8260 times:

This nonsense again.

They don't bother to specify WHAT KIND of pilot. The rankings lump Alaska bush pilots, etc., in with commercial airline pilots.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7463 times:



Quoting Hotelmode (Reply 7):
This has been discussed on another site. The stats include all pilots, ie - instructing, fire fighting, crop spraying etc etc. The airline crew figures if separated would be tiny.

What about military? If this list goes way back in history, I can see why pilots and flight engineers have topped the list.

Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 17):
Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 16):
I'm sorry, but isn't the military a job? They get paid for it right? And they obviously have the most fatalities. Idk, maybe i'm reading it wrong.

Yes it a job. But this is not about "military or combat" that is for another topic. I was making a statement. My point is simply working around the flight deck while jets are launching and recovering on a Aircraft Carrier is one of the most dangerous not "deadly” jobs in the world in comparison with such jobs as Firefighters etc...

Hope that clears it up.

I don't think FuturePilot16's post was directed at yours, and he was wondering why military did not top the list for "deadliest jobs".


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

Um yeah, like Ikra said, in the past decade very few airline pilots have been killed on the job in the USA. Or abroad on USA metal. Probably fewer than 50 over the decade.. And I wouldn't include the recent cardiac death of a CO pilot. People die; some die while at work, because some people have illnesses. Overall the study is being misrepresented and may be wrong to begin with. Postal workers and police are surely killed more often!

User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7099 times:
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Everyone automatically thinks of the larger airline type jobs.
But do not forget about the air ambulances, oil rig ferries, etc. that have higher casualty rates then the large 121 operators.


User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1458 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6969 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 19):
I don't think FuturePilot16's post was directed at yours, and he was wondering why military did not top the list for "deadliest jobs".

 checkmark  I see what your saying


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6645 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
Suicide is obviously not good for the body, but divorce?

Well, it is not directly causing any harm to you body, but in a psychological way it is for sure not good for the healt. Some divorces are just easy and don't have any fighting, but there are many divorces which are bad and with a lot of fighting...

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
You haven't apparently met WILCO's wife.     

 laughing  I am neither married, nore divorced... Free as a bird Big grin

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User currently offlineMaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1072 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 6361 times:

Just as a point of interest, life insurance rates for airline pilots flying for part 121 carriers is the same as someone working in an office, and have been that way since the late 1960s.

Ridiculous including ALL professional pilot jobs in this ranking.


25 Babybus : Then they should consider moving to Europe where all our pilots are overpaid. You can't expect a prop plane pilot at the local airfield to be paid th
26 Aerofede : Are you sure? I have some friends that end every month with the same wage of a metal worker. And if you take into account what they have spent for tr
27 Post contains links Keesje : I think it's not. It is about the job of flying an aircraft. The job of policemen, fishing workers and prison guard can also vary from very safe to v
28 Shhpanked : In 2008 there were 6 accidents involving external load operations which accounted for 4% of the total accidents during that year. I should note that
29 Luv2cattlecall : This stat is another example of a headline/attention grabber. The fact that you could fire 10% of our nation's pilots and easily find enough pilots t
30 Beechnut : "Pilot" is a very broad term. Let's assume they meant "commercial" pilots. This includes: Agricultural spraying Banner towing Bush flying Low-level pi
31 Shhpanked : Actually accidents involving ENG helicopters are pretty rare. In fact 16 over the last 10 years and not all of them were fatal. A lot of people have
32 Keesje : Interresting. Is this possible with the newest helicopters? I would think that some kind of flight enveloppe protection / fly wire system would preve
33 Shhpanked : We have a governor that makes throttle adjustments for us to keep the rotor rpm constant so we don't worry about it. The helicopter I used to instruc
34 SEPilot : I did a quick check of AirDisaster.com, and came up with 23, which includes commuter flights. I did not include the AA MD-80 that overran in Little R
35 Keesje : Thnx for the explanation, its been a long time since I studied the complexities of Helicopters. My closest call (although not so close) was 20 yrs ag
36 Maxpower1954 : Including all pilots in the most dangerous jobs is like including all sailors from the Alaska crab fisherman in the same group as a captain of a cruis
37 ZKSUJ : You mean GWB and the shoe? hehe
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