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DL Mainline On All JFK-BOS Flights.  
User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 953 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

I just looked on Delta.com and saw that all Delta flights from JFK to BOS are mainline with a mix of MD-88s and 737s. When did this happen? I remember when it was mostly DL Connection flights and one MD-88 every now and then. I didn't think DL would be doing this especially with DL Shuttle flights on the M80 from LGA.

I'm not complaining as I prefer DL mainline over DL Connection, but I am surprised.


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5867 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Thread starter):
I didn't think DL would be doing this especially with DL Shuttle flights on the M80 from LGA.

Although some 88s were either returned or retired, a good chunk were returned to the system when they were replaced by 175s earlier in the year. Along with the 757s, they are the backbone of the fleet and there will be more capacity to toss around as things slow down for the winter. Let's see how things look in a few months as the travel season picks up again.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

I believe this is DL's Delta shuttle from BOS-LGA-and Washington Reagan National.

User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5836 times:

Putting that many seats into the market is going to make it hard on B6. The 190's will have to fill up with cheap fares, because DL can throw more seats in. They can offer 100 U seats on the plane, and then fill up on higher fares. B6 will be stuck with 100 cheap seats....

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5810 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Thread starter):
I just looked on Delta.com and saw that all Delta flights from JFK to BOS are mainline with a mix of MD-88s and 737s.

What dates are you looking at? I don't see this. Are you confusing it with the shuttle?


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

Well, looking at the JFK-BOS sked in November, it looks like there's 1X daily 737-800 and 1X daily MD-88....the other three flights are CR-9s.

October shows 4 CR-9s and one MD-88.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5678 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
I believe this is DL's Delta shuttle from BOS-LGA-and Washington Reagan National.

We're talking about JFK-BOS. Clearly this service is there to feed international flights, and DL does have some connecting opportunities over JFK.

My guess is these 5 flights are to take advantage of summer Europe travel demand.

NS


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5430 times:

If you look at today's flight schedule, September 15, it shows 3x M80 and 2x 738, it goes for a few days too. I am positive I looked at JFK-BOS. LGA-BOS definitely has more than five flights.


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

Hmm very odd. At the same time, JFK-DCA is all RJs now. For a while earlier this year, Delta had one or sometimes two mainline flights a day on it...I loved those flights, but alas they are gone now!

User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3868 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5015 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 3):
They can offer 100 U seats on the plane, and then fill up on higher fares. B6 will be stuck with 100 cheap seats....

But Delta has a higher cost structure than B6, so that might not be as much of an issue for them.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

In march I flew DL JFK-BOS on a M88 with CVG based flight crew...


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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4893 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Thread starter):
I didn't think DL would be doing this especially with DL Shuttle flights on the M80 from LGA.

Problem was, the Connection RJs were always overbooked and reliability wasn't up to par. Lots of pax missing international connections at JFK gets expensive.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4833 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 3):
Putting that many seats into the market is going to make it hard on B6. The 190's will have to fill up with cheap fares, because DL can throw more seats in. They can offer 100 U seats on the plane, and then fill up on higher fares. B6 will be stuck with 100 cheap seats....

B6 could always put 320s on the route.

-Mir



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User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2972 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4779 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 3):
Putting that many seats into the market is going to make it hard on B6. The 190's will have to fill up with cheap fares, because DL can throw more seats in. They can offer 100 U seats on the plane, and then fill up on higher fares. B6 will be stuck with 100 cheap seats....

3 of the 8 daily flights that B6 flies on JFK-BOS are operated by the A320. During the busy season, an even higher proportion are flown by the A320, and there are more frequencies as well (up to 12x).

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User currently offlineNyc77k From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4517 times:

I flew the 2:30 JFK-BOS in mid June, was a 738. I noticed there were over a dozen DL crew commuting home to BOS after trips from Europe, was sitting next a crew who had just worked the EDI flight. Working crew was SLC based.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11466 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4470 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 3):
Putting that many seats into the market is going to make it hard on B6.

Hardly. JetBlue not only has an incredibly strong local franchise in both Boston and New York, but they also have a hub at JFK, and lower costs than Delta - a very critical factor.

Quoting Toltommy (Reply 3):
The 190's will have to fill up with cheap fares, because DL can throw more seats in. They can offer 100 U seats on the plane, and then fill up on higher fares. B6 will be stuck with 100 cheap seats....

Again, though - one critical point to remember: while Delta adding more seats into the market will of course tend to lower the local fares, JetBlue's costs are lower than Delta's and thus they are better able to succeed at those depressed, over-capacity fares. In addition, I suspect that Delta's focus with these mainline flights BOS-JFK is much more about feeding capacity into JFK than about the local BOS-JFK market itself.


User currently offlineRafflesking From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4226 times:



Quoting Nyc77k (Reply 14):
I noticed there were over a dozen DL crew commuting home to BOS after trips from Europe

I've flown JFK-BOS 3 times in the last month and it really feels like an employee charter! On labor day, all 13 of the 14 surrounding seats on the MD-88 were DL FAs returning from Europe!


User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4107 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
B6 could always put 320s on the route.

We already do  wink . Usually the first flight in either direction is a 320, as is the last flight. On certain days, they'll throw a 320 in there mid-morning/afternoon. Sometimes they are repo flights, however, continuing westward from either JFK or BOS.



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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3930 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 7):
f you look at today's flight schedule, September 15, it shows 3x M80 and 2x 738, it goes for a few days too. I am positive I looked at JFK-BOS. LGA-BOS definitely has more than five flights.

You are correct, there are many days when it's all mainline, but if you notice it jumps around a lot. There have been days when the 767 has operated one of those legs. I fly this route very frequently and those 73's and MD's are always full on this route, lots of international connections.


User currently offlineEWRkid1990 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

When I flew DL last february from JFK-BOS 60% of the flights on that route were on mainline, with 737-800's and MD-88's. The rest were a mix of CRJ-100's and CRJ-900's. My flight was a 737 and it was booked full. Not an empty seat in the house, according to DL's website, every single other flight that day was booked too. How will AA and B6 compete? Both of these airlines flying ERJ 135/45 and ERJ 190s. Delta wins the capacity game on this segment.

User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3750 times:



Quoting EWRkid1990 (Reply 19):
How will AA and B6 compete? Both of these airlines flying ERJ 135/45 and ERJ 190s. Delta wins the capacity game on this segment.

That depends; how many daily flights does DL have between JFK and BOS compared with AA and B6? I can't speak for AA, but last I checked, B6 was running 7 daily flights, 3 of which are 320s. This schedule is for September, and I'm pretty sure that when the winter rolls around, the frequencies are increased.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1860 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3226 times:



Quoting Rjpieces (Reply 8):

They had 2 mainline DCA flights the AM flight would regularly leave with only 50 pax.



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