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Concorde Preservation - A Great Example...  
User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 10947 times:
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Hello all...

I am now safely in Australia, pretty much settled in after a week of sun, sea and sand. However, before I came to the land down under, I went to visit my grandparents in Cheshire and took my grandad to the AVP at Manchester Airport. This was the first time I'd been since Alpha Charlie had been put inside the hangar and I have to say I was very impressed.

I took the liberty of asking if it would be ok to take a few pics in the hangar, not necessarily to go on board and was initially declined until my Grandad suddenly out of nowhere discovered the gift of the gab that had never before appeared in my 23 years on this planet and told the gentleman that I'd helped out a few times with the restoration of G-BBDG at Brooklands with Gordon Roxburgh and the gang in 2006, at which point we were given a full private tour of Alpha Charlie. So as well as passing my thanks again to the Brooklands crew for the opportunity back in 2006 to help out, I must take this opportunity to give a MASSIVE thank you to Paul Heslop, Head of Tours of the Concorde At Manchester experience.

Paul was extremely informative, and extremely helpful and Paul, if you frequent these forums, please know that my Grandad will be coming with a thank you gift next time he comes to the AVP to see you.

I enclose a few pics from Manchester, and once again thanks to Paul Heslop. Extremely grateful.

1) Boarding
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/AWalkin.jpg


2) Looking forward at the windows... great to have daylight on the Great White Bird
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/BWalkin.jpg


3) My Grandfather and I in the cabin
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/Ccabin.jpg


4) The lovely interior... seatbelts removed to avoid damage.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/Dcabin.jpg


5) Machmeter in the cabin
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/ECabin.jpg


6) Me in the FO's seat
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/FCockpit.jpg


7) The Flight Deck.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/GCockpit.jpg


8) AC in daylight
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/HHangar.jpg


9) The rear of AC inside
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/HHangar2.jpg


10) Looking from the outside in...
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/HHangar3.jpg


11) My attempt at an arty-farty pic... AC Looks out on the world
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj8/EGTESkyGod/HHangar4.jpg


Hope you like these pictures. It was an absolute pleasure to see that Alpha Charlie is properly looked after and is now preserved in an environment that will be best for the long term future of the aircraft. It feels as though one more goal has been achieved with the BA Concordes, with G-BOAA inside at Edinburgh, G-BBDG fully restored at Brooklands, G-BOAE opened last year in Barbados, the Concorde SIM taking shape at Brooklands, the G-CONC model at Brooklands and now G-BOAC inside at Manchester. I am thinking that the next goal should be to ensure G-BOAF gets her purpose built housing at Filton, as well as G-BOAB's future anywhere being secured. I would still like to see her on the T5 roundabout, but that's another debate.


Charlie.


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User currently offlineCALRAMPER From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10913 times:

Very nice report. Great to see places that allow those of us unable to fly on the Concorde to experience it firsthand instead of from the pages of books.


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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10867 times:

It is amazing how Manchester are so proud of their Concorde and here in London we're trying to our best to get rid of it. Well done to Manchester in leading the way.

I don't know if it's me but don't you think Concorde looks a bit sad? I often think that every time I look at a Concorde head on photo.


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10843 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 2):
I don't know if it's me but don't you think Concorde looks a bit sad? I often think that every time I look at a Concorde head on photo

She's only sad that her Olympus engines are no longer able to roar.  Wink

Really happy with seeing it inside. Good on them for looking after so well.


User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10815 times:
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Quoting Babybus (Reply 2):
I don't know if it's me but don't you think Concorde looks a bit sad? I often think that every time I look at a Concorde head on photo.

It is almost as though she is longing to get out and fly again, which I guess some would see as being sad. One of the pleasing things about this exhibit, having visited Manchester several times when she was outside, is there is still daylight on the aircraft and some natural light for photography.

If the same kind of thinking is used for G-BOAF at Filton that would be fantastic. For those of you who have never been to Manchester AVP, have a look at a weekend for the tours they do of Concorde. G-BOAC is the only Concorde exhibit that allows access to the flight deck as part of the tour.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10937 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10535 times:

Thank you for posting your pictures report of your visit.

Congratulations to Manchester for building this beautiful house for Concorde AC.

Such "housing" should have been made mandatory for all the places chosen by British Airways to host their aircrafts.

I understand Scotland has also done a lot of good work to protect their Concorde AA. This is very good of them.

http://www.nms.ac.uk/our_museums/mus.../concorde/concorde_exhibition.aspx

Think of s small island nation like Barbados and look at the wonderful work they have done and how they take such wonderful care of their Concorde AE and promote it to all the tour and ship operators to the tourists coming to the island.

http://www.barbadosconcorde.com/

http://www.barbadosconcorde.com/overview.php

I like to see them sitting inside among other aircrafts, the Dulles Airport Air and Space Museum have done such a wonderful job preserving and displaying Concorde FA she is in such good hands there. I always manage a few hours layover and visit each time I go through IAD.

http://collections.nasm.si.edu/code/...le=single&quicksearch=A20030139000

This is how I like to see her each time among all her other airplane friends



I only wish poor G-BOAD would get similar treatment not far up the road from there in Manhattan.

Although they are sitting in tight space, the museum at Le Bourget and the team of caretakers are also really doing all they can preserving their two aircrafts, the old Sud Aviation prototype F-WTSS and neighbour F-BTSD.

I hope Filton will soon build a shelter for AF. She greatly deserves it.

I have no recent news of AG at the Museum of Flight in Seattle. I hope they will build her a house there too.

http://www.museumofflight.org/concorde



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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10523 times:

Dont forget the BGI Concorde, that is one of the best displays I have seen. They really do love her over there

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10937 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10520 times:

[quote=LHR380,reply=6]

I certainly did not forget! Just read my post...  



At the BGI Museum the day before they opened.
Picture taken by: Mike Bannister

[Edited 2009-09-16 04:14:08]


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4360 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10419 times:



Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 4):
G-BOAC is the only Concorde exhibit that allows access to the flight deck as part of the tour.

The Filton Concorde's cockpit is also accessible during the tour although I was being barked at by the staff when I wanted to sit in the captains seat.



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User currently offlineValleyspotter From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10011 times:

Having done a transatlantic flight to IAD in AC, it's great to see that she is being looked after in her forced retirement.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9732 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Think of s small island nation like Barbados and look at the wonderful work they have done and how they take such wonderful care of their Concorde AE and promote it to all the tour and ship operators to the tourists coming to the island.

Aren't all the ex-BA Concordes still owned by BA and only on loan to the various museums/airports where they are now on display?


User currently offlineHOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9545 times:

Amazing access, and thanks for the photos. She is beautiful, inside and out. I am jealous....


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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9291 times:

Concorde is certainly a beautiful plane and it is great to see the preservation of some of the airframes. It is very important in my opinion that the Concorde be remembered physically since it is a symbol of flight, most importantly supersonic flight which is something not very well experienced by most people.


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User currently offlineUnitedFA07 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8755 times:

So G-BOAD is the Concorde you see when landing at JFK? Always wondered "who" it was, and wanted to get out there and see it when I was based there. Didn't realize there was a museum there.

Is that the interior of all BA Concordes? Looks very plain for such an amazing plane. I'm guess for space and the years in use that is what they had to work with? I'd never seen inside one before. Now that I'm here in DC I need to get to the Air & Space Museum.

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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7686 times:
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Quoting UnitedFA07 (Reply 13):
Is that the interior of all BA Concordes? Looks very plain for such an amazing plane. I'm guess for space and the years in use that is what they had to work with? I'd never seen inside one before. Now that I'm here in DC I need to get to the Air & Space Museum.

The BA Concordes that received the Return To Service upgrades in 2001 at a cost of millions of pounds will have these seats in. If you are ever in the UK, I recommend you go to Brooklands musuem in Weybridge, Surrey and take a look at G-BBDG. She has an example of all seating used by BA on their fleet from 1976, into the 1980's and 1990's, and then some examples of the final upgrade.

Air France have their own interior, however as far as I'm aware you can't go inside F-BVFA at Dulles. It is my aim to see all Concordes in their museums at some point, I only have G-BOAA at Edinburgh and G-BOAB at Heathrow (not in a museum or exhibited yet) left of the UK models before I do the overseas ones.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Aren't all the ex-BA Concordes still owned by BA and only on loan to the various museums/airports where they are now on display?

Yes, British Airways retains ownership on ALL of their Concordes and each of the museums has them under their own loan agreement.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31440 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7618 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
I have no recent news of AG at the Museum of Flight in Seattle. I hope they will build her a house there too.

There at least was a plan to enclose the Air Park in a hangar for all of the planes on display there, but I'm not sure how that program is progressing (since it would be powered by donations).

[Edited 2009-09-16 18:10:37]

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 5374 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7575 times:



Quoting UnitedFA07 (Reply 13):
Now that I'm here in DC I need to get to the Air & Space Museum.

Yes you do. The Udvar-Hazy center is absolutely amazing (as is the original museum on the Mall for the matter). To be a be able to see a Concorde, the dash 80, an SR-71, a space shuttle, a Connie, etc., etc. all in one place is breathtaking.



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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6763 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
There at least was a plan to enclose the Air Park in a hangar for all of the planes on display there, but I'm not sure how that program is progressing (since it would be powered by donations).

Good to hear... Hope G-BOAG gets a nice new home too and follows the example of G-BOAC.



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User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6623 times:



Quoting UnitedFA07 (Reply 13):
Is that the interior of all BA Concordes? Looks very plain for such an amazing plane.

- I'm not sure what picture you are talking about - but, in reality (as of Jan 2002), it was far from plain - at least, for 2-2 narrowbody...


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31440 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6589 times:
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Quoting UnitedFA07 (Reply 13):
Is that the interior of all BA Concordes? Looks very plain for such an amazing plane.



Quoting RIX (Reply 18):
- I'm not sure what picture you are talking about - but, in reality (as of Jan 2002), it was far from plain - at least, for 2-2 narrowbody...

Concorde always reminded me of a really long RJ.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13254 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

Very nice pics, great account of an obviously memorable visit.

MAN and AVP got there in the end, as did BGI, as will Seattle and NYC.
It's in the contract folks.

I last saw G-BOAC at MAN in October 2004, when still outside as part of a concordesst.com visit.
Full access, I had to try and remember all the flight deck and general info that we did for visitors at BA when still operational.
I enjoyed it, but with a slight tinge of melancholy, as I privately realized the last time I was on this aircraft was almost exactly a year before, at LHR, with some colleagues doing the standard (non reheated) engine runs to check for any leaks after changing some filters.

The juxtaposition between the superbly maintained, but dead cockpit, with the live, powered up one a year before, was palpable for me.

Then came the 2005-2007 period when in different circumstances, with no 9/11, perhaps no AF crash either, the fleet would have been retired anyway.
Then any melancholic feelings pretty much dissipated.

On a side note, one of the BA flight crew who retired recently, was Barbara Harmer, who in 1992 became the first female Concorde pilot, until 2000.
(Later AF would have one too).


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6128 times:
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Quoting Cpd (Reply 3):

She's only sad that her Olympus engines are no longer able to roar.

Trued words have never been spoken! Shame there is no potential for taxi runs and the sort.

Quoting UnitedFA07 (Reply 13):
So G-BOAD is the Concorde you see when landing at JFK? Always wondered "who" it was, and wanted to get out there and see it when I was based there.

Not sure what you mean. G-BOAD is in NY, at the Intrepid Museum. But it is not at the airport and therefore not seen when landing in NY.

The only way you can see it if landing at JFK or EWR or LGA for that matter, is if you route takes you south over the Hudson river and you are sitting in the portside of the aircraft. is that what you mean?

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Such "housing" should have been made mandatory for all the places chosen by British Airways to host their aircrafts.

I totally agree. You know, some years ago, there was a really great moment on the internet, where total strangers, all passionate about Concorde, made great strides to have an individual fulfill his dream of flying on Concorde. They all raised money for him to fly on Concorde.

In the same respect, I do not know nor understand the reluctance at the Intrepid museum for them NOT to have BOAD under a roof of sorts. Complete bubble cover. We here in NY are quite proud and protective of her. Her nose was broken off in a freak accident. Within moments of his occurrence, emails were sent around the world to alert Concorde lovers about this.
And it was beautifully restored.

All said, I wonder if, in the same way, we could coordinate an effort to see that BOAD gets in internal housing. What if we could raise the money to see it happen in the same way we raised $$ to get that user to ride Concorde.

Money is always an object but it you have 100,000 passionate users pledge only $10, its a start.

Just a thought.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6106 times:

My only issue with Concorde at the Intrepid is that the Intrepid is a military aviation/ Sea Power Musuem. Fleet Week, Veteran's Day clebrations are hosted at the Intrepid. Having Concorde there just doesn't jive with the rest of the displays or themes, I know it's an extreme comparison but it would be like berthing the QM2 or QE2 at Pearl Harbor.

For all the history in the New York region surrounding aviation I think a separate museum dedicated to civilian aviation would be a great idea, fundiing and where to place it would be the big hurdle. Obviously there's no room in Manhattan.

I envision someplace where a Pan Am 707 and 747 would be displayed next to the Concorde etc..



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13254 posts, RR: 77
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6003 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 22):
For all the history in the New York region surrounding aviation I think a separate museum dedicated to civilian aviation would be a great idea, fundiing and where to place it would be the big hurdle. Obviously there's no room in Manhattan.

All fair comment, BA were always going to have one in NYC, for sound reasons for both the history of the aircraft and for BA.
Let's just say Interpid was not so much the preferred choice, more it was the only viable one in the area, at that time.
Other interested parties in and around NYC did make offers, but could not meet various criteria such as funds, public access, a viable business plan, any real expertise in aircraft preservation or long term commitment.

It was always going to be difficult there, it would be just the same for centeral London.

I visited Interpid in 2002, I have been to NY since the Concorde retirement, but not to see G-BOAD, since when I visited the museum Alpha Delta was the one that I flew out on!
But I probably will go see it one day.


User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5700 times:
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Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 21):
Not sure what you mean. G-BOAD is in NY, at the Intrepid Museum. But it is not at the airport and therefore not seen when landing in NY.

The only way you can see it if landing at JFK or EWR or LGA for that matter, is if you route takes you south over the Hudson river and you are sitting in the portside of the aircraft. is that what you mean?

G-BOAD was temporarily moved to Floyd Bennett Field while the Intrepid went under a revamp, so aircraft flying over Jamaica Bay would have been able to see her



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25 Mirrodie : Very true but I interpreted his post as meaning that BOAD was actually @ JFK. It was never actually at JFK. And to clarify, the only way you could se
26 EGTESkyGod : Could people sat on the left of an aircraft see her as they came in to land on 04L, for example? Maybe not close up, but close enough to know it was
27 Crownvic : Does anyone know what will become of G-BOAD?? I know they moved her finally but only after sitting exposed and deteriorating away with the sea air and
28 Post contains links and images Mirrodie : Might be tough. Just perused a few pics on anet to show. This is a pic shown departing 22R/04L, looking right down 31L. Doubt he may see Concorde from
29 EGTESkyGod : Oh, totally agree... I just wondered if any other departure or approch may offer a sight of G-BOAD. Not sure really... she is back on board her barge
30 EGTESkyGod : Not quite... Floyd Bennett is further around the bay than that, on Barren Island.
31 Mirrodie : Yes. Which segues us back to my original thought. It we can raised funds to send a Jetinder to fly on Concorde, perhaps we can raise funds to cover a
32 EGTESkyGod : Jet was among friends on ConcordeSST.com and that was incredibly kind. To this day, Jet still goes on about it! He actually flew on G-BOAD so he sees
33 Mirrodie : He sure does! Love his TR but too bad some of the latter pages fail to load. There is a lovely museum but its an hour away from JFK and NYC, so it do
34 EGTESkyGod : Deal. Should have been over 3 weeks ago when I took the pictures above... I am now in Sydney, Australia and not a Concorde in sight!
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