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Condé Nast Traveller: World's Best Airlines  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3942 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13650 times:

Condé Nast Traveller has published their rankings of world's best airlines:


Best airlines - short haul leasure:

1. BMI
2. Swiss International Air Lines
3. British Airways
4. KLM
5. Lufthansa
6. Aer Lingus
7. Qatar Airways
8. SAS
9. Air Berlin
10. Air France


Best airlines long haul leasure:

1. Virgin Atlantic
2. Air New Zealand
3. Qantas
4. British Airways
5. Kingfisher Airlines
6. Singapore Airlines
7. Emirates
8. Etihad Airways
9. Thai Airways
10. Cathay Pacific


Best airlines in business market:

1. British Airways
2. Etihad Airways
3. Emirates
4. Cathay Pacific
5. Virgin Atlantic
6. Singapore Airlines
7. BMI
8. Lufthansa
9. United Airlines
10. Qatar Airways


Best airlines - low cost:

1. EasyJet
2. Flybe
3. BMIbaby
4. Jet2
5. Ryanair


From Norwegian article:

http://www.aftenposten.no/reise/nyheter/article3272091.ece

44 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13576 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Best airlines in business market:

1. British Airways
2. Etihad Airways
3. Emirates
4. Cathay Pacific
5. Virgin Atlantic
6. Singapore Airlines
7. BMI
8. Lufthansa
9. United Airlines
10. Qatar Airways

I assume that UA scores so highly because of their new Business Class seat. However, in terms of a combination of soft and hard Business Class offerings, I am still surprised they beat out NZ, QF and NH amongst others.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27005 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13529 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Swiss International Air Lines

Totally agree with that LX are great for intra EU.

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Flybe

They are pretty decent these days and deserve an award.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9651 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13513 times:

It is pretty obvious that the survey is based in Europe.


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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25367 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13425 times:



Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 3):
It is pretty obvious that the survey is based in Europe.

Those magazine "best of" surveys for airlines and hotels etc. are generally worse than meaningless. Results depend on where most of the participants live and which carriers they are most likely to fly. For example, a survey done by a magazine based in Europe will usually produce very different results than one done by a publication with more U.S.


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13410 times:



Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 3):
It is pretty obvious that the survey is based in Europe.

Agreed. Exhibit A:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Best airlines - low cost:

1. EasyJet
2. Flybe
3. BMIbaby
4. Jet2
5. Ryanair

What on earth is Ryanair doing on there and Southwest, jetBlue, and Frontier nowhere on that list?!



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User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 13334 times:



Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 3):
It is pretty obvious that the survey is based in Europe.

- they could base it on Mars, the results would be hardly different  Smile...

So, as "bad" and "wrong" and "not being able to compete anymore" BA is - somehow they are still the best overall  Wink... Good!


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 13172 times:

Yawn, a 'world' ranking without a regional break down is meaningless. Will a take Emirates if I need to go from LAX to JFK? What about GRU-SLC? Short haul leisure? I'll remember to take Easyjet on my next visit to SJD or CUN, lol.

User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 12959 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Best airlines - low cost:
1. EasyJet
2. Flybe
3. BMIbaby
4. Jet2
5. Ryanair

Let's ignore WN

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Best airlines in business market:
9. United Airlines

I find it hard to believe UA represents the USA here

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):

Best airlines long haul leasure:
1. Virgin Atlantic
2. Air New Zealand
3. Qantas
4. British Airways
5. Kingfisher Airlines
6. Singapore Airlines
7. Emirates
8. Etihad Airways
9. Thai Airways
10. Cathay Pacific

I saw leisure then I calmed down



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User currently offlineTimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 12812 times:

Where is OZ? The usually make these lists, usually top 5? They offer the best leisure product I have ever flown, well, them and MH. Certainly better than Thai leisure.

Very Euro-centric survey. Jet Blue? Anyone?


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12670 times:



Quoting RIX (Reply 6):
So, as "bad" and "wrong" and "not being able to compete anymore" BA is - somehow they are still the best overall

That's about as wrong as BMI even being able to make these lists.

Viscount put it quite nicely:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
Those magazine "best of" surveys for airlines and hotels etc. are generally worse than meaningless.



User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12635 times:

A quick search would have revealed that this list is from Conde Nast Traveller UK magazine. Conde Nast Traveler USA magazine publishes its own list.


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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12607 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Reply 11):
UK

That's what I thought. Pretty much explains the whole list.


User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11113 times:

Kind of surprised to see BD up there, but I guess these things happen

User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10973 times:

VS???... Are they on drugs?? Their Y product between the US (florida) and the UK is absolutely abismal!!!!

User currently onlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1651 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10674 times:

Really, folks, best is WN.

What did they mean, best advertiser?


User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1691 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10648 times:

Qatar: SHORT-haul ?

Most flights between Europe and DOH are 6-7 hours !!!



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10621 times:
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Quoting MH017 (Reply 16):
Most flights between Europe and DOH are 6-7 hours !!!

it is all a matter of opinion ( much like the survey ) - from my point of view 6-7 hours is shorthaul  Wink



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10476 times:

And who exactly decided these were the best in category?

I'm afraid Conde Nast is not a bible for travel and I would take their opinions with an extra dollop of salt.


User currently offline777law From Monaco, joined Jul 2006, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9180 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 18):
And who exactly decided these were the best in category?

Conde Nast Traveller readers. It's the annual readers survey results.



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User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3265 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8774 times:



Quoting SKORD (Reply 14):

NO IT'S NOT !!!, . . . . it's worse than that.  Wink



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User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8229 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 10):
That's about as wrong as BMI even being able to make these lists.

- don't care about BMI, but, as "meaningless or worse" these surveys are, they are far more informative than opinion of couple of members of some forum.


User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8082 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
1. BMI
2. Swiss International Air Lines
3. British Airways
4. KLM
5. Lufthansa
6. Aer Lingus
7. Qatar Airways
8. SAS
9. Air Berlin
10. Air France

BMI? Is this some sort of joke? I wouldn't have even put them in the top 50..

Aer Lingus at number 6? I'm astonished that someone actually thinks their product is even half decent at the moment - and they should probably be moved to the low cost poll!

Quoting MH017 (Reply 16):
Qatar: SHORT-haul ?

Most flights between Europe and DOH are 6-7 hours !!!

Yeah QR surely don't even operate more than a dozen (?) routes less than 4 hours? And most of those are on widebodies (which is probably why they scored well)

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Best airlines - low cost:

1. EasyJet
2. Flybe
3. BMIbaby
4. Jet2
5. Ryanair

How do Ryanair get on the list for being best at anything? I can only think of their route network being a favourable point.



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User currently offlineAerlingusa330 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8028 times:



Quoting LX138 (Reply 22):
Aer Lingus at number 6? I'm astonished that someone actually thinks their product is even half decent at the moment -

 checkmark  Agreed. Conde Nast lost some credibility by putting them so high up at number 6.

EI leaves lots to be desired.



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User currently offlineRb211tristar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8028 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 8):

I find it hard to believe UA represents the USA here

I don't. I've had wonderful experiences on long haul United flights lately. I'm actually happy for them to have made the European list.

PS: I hope I didn't just jinx myself for my upcoming trips.


25 Babybus : I think this shows us how easy to please Conde Nast travellers are. I bet they like Spar own brand stuff as well. Each to their own. BMI would only ma
26 NQYGuy : Yep, but thats only a tiny percentage of their network compared to their Heathrow product, which is very competitive indeed! In my books they are the
27 Murchmo : Moderators why isn't this thread changed. Its very misleading when it states "worlds best airlines" when its just UK based. I always think its funny w
28 Mortyman : I'm happy to see Air New Zealand on the list. Great airline !
29 SKORD : I know... i was being polite!! We should be friends!!
30 VV701 : QR have a mixed fleet of 21 Airbus single-aisle short-haul aircraft. They operate three of the four types, namely A319s, A320s and A321s. QR fly from
31 Readytotaxi : going to MCO next week, BUT with BA CLUB.
32 AirNz : Nothing 'wrong' about it. The opinion of people who put them there is as every bit as valid as your own. You thus can equally be considered as wrong.
33 Huaiwei : This list reads more like a "airlines most travelled on by UK travellers" survey. I don't think people are comparing this to "a.net wisdom", but gene
34 VC10er : No surprise at all for UA for a USA airline. Both their budiness and first are unmatched by any other USA airline. The new premium product, p.s. Servi
35 EBGflyer : I agree. I have flown Asiana both in business and economy lately and have been very impressed with their service. Attentiveness and perfectionism com
36 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus should really be in the low cost poll, they've been a low fares airline for nearly seven years now so to see them still compared with the l
37 Shamrock604 : I dont think EI leave anything to be desired on Short haul FOR LEISURE which is exactly what was being surveyed. Its reasonably civilized, assigned s
38 777STL : I agree. It seems the list is somewhat skewed towards a European demographic.
39 SNCntry32 : Northwest was on this list in the magazine for best business class trans Atlantic FYI.
40 EUROBUS : Wow! Quite amazing to see three airlines from the Gulf amongst the top 10. Very good!!
41 SandroZRH : You obviously seem to be plagued with the same problem. There is a difference to having an own opinion and a UK travel magazine making up random list
42 Jacobcal : OUCH! No CO on the list. Hopefully with the introduction of BusinessFirst 2.0 they will make it back into the ranks. Congrats to all that made it on t
43 Post contains links OA260 : BMI have a bad J class intra EU product but their Premium Y is second to none. BMI A330 Premium Economy 24 Hours In TLV Lots Pics (by OA260 Sep 20 20
44 ZKEOJ : I am surprised, too! I flew the new UA business class seat last year (EZE-IAD) and the NZ business class seat (AKL-PEK, LHR-HKG-AKL) this year. The N
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