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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16952 times:

The Tenere region of Niger, deep in the Sahara Desert, is one of the most remote and inhospitable areas on earth -- not the kind of place where you'd expect people to trudge hundreds of miles to construct a memorial.

The families and loved ones of the victims of UTA flight 772 did exactly that however. UTA 772, discussed in this column last week, was the DC-10 brought down by a Libyan suitcase bomb in September, 1989, about eight months after the similar downing of Pan Am 103. The memorial was constructed in 2007, at the spot where the wreckage fell, using some of the $170 million compensation fund provided by the Libyan government. I had no idea it was there until a reader sent along pictures and a description.

I always felt that the most expressive and evocative air crash memorial was the one placed on a hillside above Tenerife, in the Canary Islands, marking the 1977 collision between two 747s that took 583 lives -- history's worst-ever air disaster. But the UTA memorial is even more stirring. Built mostly by hand, it uses dark stones to create a 200-foot diameter circle, inside of which is a life-size silhouette of the DC-10. Surrounding the circle are 170 broken mirrors -- one for each victim. At the northern point, a section of the plane's starboard wing has been set upright into the sand and affixed with a plaque.

The remoteness of the crash site makes it all but inaccessible, but that's what Google Earth is for...

http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archi...ial_to_uta_flight_772_visible.html

Even before the memorial, the UTA crash was an incident steeped in striking imagery. One of the more haunting images you'll ever see is the news photograph, circulated shortly after the crash, showing the DC-10's crushed forward fuselage sitting in the desert. Something about that blue and white paint, so stark against the dun-colored emptiness....

www.airdisaster.com/photos/uta772/photo.shtml

As if there weren't enough disturbing connections between the UTA and Pan Am 103 bombings, that picture is eerily reminiscent of the iconic photo of flight 103's shattered cockpit lying in the grass near a Lockerbie churchyard. Blue and white, again...

http://plane-truth.com/Aoude/geocities/panam.jpg

Meanwhile, would it strike you as morbid, or even obscene, if I told you that I harbor a secret desire to travel around the world visiting various air crash memorials? We aerophiles are weird like that.

What I appreciate most about the tribute on Tenerife, viewable here, http://www.herdenking-tenerife.org/ is that it was built in the shape of a helix. "A symbol of infinity.” says the foundation’s website. Maybe, but let's not forget the more obvious physical symbolism: early model 747s, including both of those involved in the collision, were well known for the set of spiral stairs connecting their main and upper decks. In the minds of millions of international travelers, that stairway is an icon of civil aviation...

http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices...lery/images/commercial/747-07.html

We have one here in Boston now, too. At Logan airport, from which two of the hijacked Boeings departed on September 11th, 2001, a memorial was unveiled in 2008, dedicated to the crew and passengers. It's not in the most accessible spot, on a knoll sandwiched between the central parking garage and Hilton hotel, but tastefully done. (Not to suggest anything, but has anybody noted its resemblence to a glass Qibla?)...

http://www.massport.com/logan/photoLarge.asp?name=c_911_12_lg

Also at Logan, look for the American flag atop the jetway at gate B-32. This is the spot from which American 11 pushed back. There's a similar flag over at Terminal C, where United 175 departed.


Patrick Smith


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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8994 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16940 times:
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I know that there is a memorial for the SR111 which crashed... I always wanted to visit there...

http://travelblogs.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=871069:Photo:66

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User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16932 times:

Wow, that UTA memorial is really something special. Very well done, and big credit to the families for going to that remote sandy place to build it. It is nicely designed, has the right tone, and actually meaningful and touching symbolism, instead of the overly PR-firmed symbolism you sometimes see imagery. Thank you for posting it.

I didn't realise that Logan had that memorial until I took a very random walk one day.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 16887 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 1):
I know that there is a memorial for the SR111 which crashed... I always wanted to visit there...

http://travelblogs.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=871069:Photo:66

wilco737

There was another recent thread (2 months ago) on the subject of crash memorials with numerous photos, including several of the SR111 memorial. Also several of the UTA memorial in Reply 16 (believe they're the same photos as in the original posting in this thread)..
Plane Crash Sites (by Qantas767 Jul 17 2009 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16762 times:

Thanks for posting this Patrick.

I've been working on a spreadsheet of air crash memorials and recently spent a weekend afternoon researching UTA 772. I too share your belief that the UTA 772 memorial is one of the most moving ever constructed, and I hope to visit it someday.

It still amazes me that here we are 8 years later and we STILL don't have a permanent memorial built to honor the victims of 9-11. What a sad disgrace.

Slightly off topic, but does anyone know what ORD gate AA191 departed from? Was it somewhere on the K Concourse?


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16714 times:

This is one of the most interesting threads I've read in a long time.

It is hard to imagine that such an apt and beautiful memorial to the UTA victims exists in such a remote spot. I think actually having a wing part there makes it even more moving.


User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16633 times:

KE 801 has a marble obelisk memorial right on the crash site at Nimitz Hill. The memorial has a commanding view of the airport 3 miles away. Every year the relatives of victims fly over and hold memorials for that horrific crash.


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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16566 times:

There is a memorial for Slovak Air Force An-24 crash of January 19th 06 in the village of Hejce, in vicinity of which the crash happened. 42 fatalities and only one survivor was left, when the plane made a CFIT on approach to Kosice airport - their destination.

Big version: Width: 1066 Height: 1600 File size: 618kb


Second plane flying, an An-26 landed safely soon after.

Original plans were to build a stone tail on-site, as tail was portrayed intact on crash site photos.

Big version: Width: 400 Height: 272 File size: 33kb



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16487 times:

Here is the memorial to the crash of the A330 F-WWKH at Toulouse on June 30th 1994. Seven perished:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/christo...18155739/in/set-72157608805672390/
And the memorial to the 39 crew and passengers (including 34 schoolboys) of the Vickers 610 Viking 3B G-AHPM of Eagle Aw. which crashed close to Stavanger Norway on August 9th 1961:
http://www.ryfylke.com/no/Produkt/?TLp=34160
Not listed in the previous thread.
If you intend to visit them all, you are off for a long, long, long journey.


User currently onlineBA84 From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 418 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16426 times:
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Here is a link to a one minute video of the UTA 772 memorial:

Scroll down the page to the video.

The DVD is 52 minutes at a cost of 15€.

In French, but haunting images:

http://www.dc10-uta.org/index.htm

BA84


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16387 times:
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Here's a link to the memorial on Mauritius dedicated to the passengers and crew of SA295 which crashed into the Indian Ocean on 28 November 1987 with the loss of all on board.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/2686982



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User currently offlineGolftango From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16344 times:

Quoting BA84 (Reply 9):
In French, but haunting images:

http://www.dc10-uta.org/index.htm

Had no idea that they left so much wreckage, but I guess it's almost impossible to remove it all. The images of the cockpit section, row of seats, etc. are moving. They appear as the crash happened yesterday, hence the reason they store ac in the desert.






[Edited 2009-09-17 10:29:43]

User currently offlineGolftango From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 16203 times:

And also check out these photos from the UTA772 crash site, amazing!

http://picasaweb.google.fr/FamillesDC10uta/2SITEDC10#

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_B--bnGD10cI/Se-gjurfoKI/AAAAAAAAAhY/7kOGo25Jm4Y/s800/JIGP0505.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_B--bnGD10cI/Se-gZ3yaC7I/AAAAAAAAAfo/O-Sxd8dRmHw/s800/JIGP0485.JPG

[Edited 2009-09-17 16:38:52]

User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 16066 times:

With respect to the September 11th memorial at BOS, I wrote "Qibla" when I meant to write "Kaaba." It resembles a glass Kaaba.


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15975 times:

If you want a memorial, there is a small park and monument near Tell City Indiana, just a mile or so north of the Ohio river. Google map had it south of river but Google is wrong.

The crash was a NW Electra March 17, 1960. Whirl mode was the cause, as the wing snapped off in flight.
The monument is very nice and the park with walkway is keep up very nicely.

Its on the net. Seek and you shall fine.
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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15936 times:



Quoting DL747400 (Reply 4):
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know what ORD gate AA191 departed from? Was it somewhere on the K Concourse?

I am not sure what gate it departed from so I do apologize for that.

On the topic of AA 191 at ORD, if you drive east on Touhy Road, you'll come to a rock and stone/cement company on the right hand side. There is a little turnoff on your left that leads to a set of gates that are probably 20-30 feet off the road. It's here, and there is typically a US Flag or something on the gates, that AA 191 crashed. You can feel the souls when you are there. You can't get on the other side of the gate because that is part of a water plant for that part of town so it's strictly off limits, but you definatly know you are on hallow ground. It was the most humbling experience I have ever felt first hand while standing there with my wife and friends just a couple weeks ago.

There is a push among the survivors family members to have a memorial put on that land for the public to see and visit. But the fact that it's all part of a municipal water source has really made it hard for anything to happen. I, for one, think they should put one up! But I don't have a dog in this fight. Still, I think it would be very nice and very appropriate considering the signifigance this crash had on the aviation world and on Chicago in general. My wife snapped some shots of it and i'll try to post them on my "Flickr" page at some point. If you want the "Flickr" page address, just instant message me and i'll give it to you.

Michael



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User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1965 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15754 times:

With this search, you will find many more:
http://images.google.com/images?q=cr...+memorial&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=2&start=0



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User currently offlineULMFlyer From Brazil, joined Sep 2006, 475 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15732 times:

I suppose if there's ever a memorial for AF 447, there would be no place better suited than the Air France Beach in Fernando de Noronha.

See this link for a pic:

http://carolwieser.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/fn1_12.jpg



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User currently offlinePaulinbna From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15671 times:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ft...rial_for_Arrow_Air_Flight_1285.jpg

This is at Ft. Campbell it is for this crash seen here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_Air_Flight_1285



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26442 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15669 times:

The memorial for AS 261, rather close to my parent's house.




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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15573 times:
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They did a respectable job with the TWA 800 memorial located in Smith County Park, on Long Island.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/s...t-800-remembered-1.1318503?image=4

Sorry but I didnt see a dedicated website to it. So I have to resort to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Point_County_Park



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15548 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Thread starter):
Also at Logan, look for the American flag atop the jetway at gate B-32. This is the spot from which American 11 pushed back. There's a similar flag over at Terminal C, where United 175 departed.

At EWR an American flag also flies from the gate from which United flight # 93 departed, for a few years after the 9/11 attacks HP had a very nice wall of tribute to the passengers and crew of UA flight 93 next to the HP ticket counter in Terminal A. I always thought it was wierd that HP had this really nice wall of rememberance for UA flight #93, while a couple positions down at EWR Terminal A the UA areas had no acknowledgement what so ever.

A few days after the 9/11 attacks I was walking around Battery Park City near the Winter Garden and World Financial Center trying to get a close look at Ground Zero which still had fires burning, somewhere near the Irish famine memorial I came across a beautiful memorial someone had built in honor of the AA and UA flight crews who had perished. It had personal photos and it was decorated with items from various airline employees, standing in front of this moving memorial were several AA and UA pilots and flight attendatns in full uniforms crying and hugging. My eyes are welling up right now just thinking back to that moving sight, that memorial was removed in the months that followed but I think it would be nice if AA and UA could see fit to pitch in to fund a permnamnent memorial in the area to honor their employess lost that tragic day.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15436 times:

Valujet has one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vjmem.jpg

But I recall seeing some other memorial for another crash which is in a hard to access area which has crosses, I might be mixing it up. Eastern 401?



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User currently offlineHangarRat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15368 times:

I've been told there is a memorial to Pan Am 214, which was struck by lightning in 1963 and crashed outside Elkton, Md. The site is supposed to be a couple of blocks from my sister-in-law's house, but I've never found the time during a visit to take a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_214

http://wikimapia.org/9749716/Crash-Site-Of-Pan-Am-214-12-08-1963



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User currently offlineMmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15322 times:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jag9889/3895919959/

There is the AA 587 Memorial in the Rockaways...i've been there once or twice..

[Edited 2009-09-19 20:58:56]


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25 F9Animal : Your not kidding about the feeling of souls. I went to the crash site of DL 191, and felt the empty, butterfly feeling. Not just there, but Gettysbur
26 Post contains links Isitsafenow : I was there in 1965 at the intersection and I remember everything back then looked normal. There may be one now. Please look at www.midair-collision-
27 Post contains links DL747400 : It wasn't EA401, because at this time there is no official or permanent memorial to honor the victims of this crash. But there is a group called '401
28 Post contains links DL747400 : Yes, here is the memorial to PAN AM 214. Scroll about halfway down the page and there is a good closeup of the marker: http://www.oldwilmington.net/o
29 Post contains links and images FlySSC : Here is the memorial to the victims of the Turkish Airlines DC10 TC-JAV flight TK981 that crashed in the Ermenonville forest, some 50 km north east of
30 Post contains links Standby87 : Hey, just to say big THANK YOU to Aviateur (Patrick) for a really interesting thread. I had forgotten it was the Libyans who were responsible for UTA.
31 Aviateur : I second that. After all, AA191 remains the worst-ever airline crash on U.S. soil. Few people realize that. PS
32 WA707atMSP : I believe there is a memorial at the hospital where Steve Baltz passed away, the day after the collision. His grief stricken father asked that the co
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