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Bin Laden Charter Jet From Sudan (?)  
User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11307 times:

According to wikipedia, when Osama bin Laden was expelled from Sudan in 1996, he took a chartered jet to Afghanistan.

I don't trust wikipedia, so does anybody know about this event? What sort of aircraft was involved, who operated the charter if it was a charter, and so on?

Just curious.

Please keep discussion limited strictly to the aviation aspect of the event, and away from politics. If this is not the right forum, please move it as appropriate.

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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6311 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11251 times:

I guess I would imagine it would be a private biz jet. He was always a very rich man thanks to his father. Unfortunately, I know nothing more than that.

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10625 times:

In the book "The Looming Tower" by Lawrence Wright it is described as an "old soviet Tupolev transport plane" chartered by the Sudanese government. (End of chapter 12, page 279 in the German version of the book.)

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10344 times:

A simple Google search shows this document to still be online by a not too dubious source:

Private planes owned by rich princes in the Gulf fly frequently between Quetta and the Emirates, often on luxurious "hunting trips" in territories sympathetic to Bin Laden. Other sources confirm that these hunting trips have provided opportunities for Saudi contacts with the Taliban and terrorists, since they first began in 1994.


from
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/01/afghanistan.terrorism


User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10095 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 2):
In the book "The Looming Tower" by Lawrence Wright it is described as an "old soviet Tupolev transport plane" chartered by the Sudanese government. (End of chapter 12, page 279 in the German version of the book.)

I'll take that as the answer. Thank you.

As to SW733, I also assumed he was rich enough to have had a private jet. If he did, I wonder what's come of it.


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10007 times:

According to this.....

http://www.historycommons.org/contex...jsp?item=a051896sudan#a051896sudan

May 18, 1996: Sudan Expels Bin Laden; US Fails to Stop His Flight to Afghanistan

After pressure from the US (see March-May 1996), the Sudanese government asks bin Laden to leave the country. He decides to go to Afghanistan. He departs along with many other al-Qaeda members, plus much money and resources. Bin Laden flies to Afghanistan in a C-130 transport plane with an entourage of about 150 men, women, and children, stopping in Doha, Qatar, to refuel, where governmental officials greet him warmly. [Los Angeles Times, 9/1/2002; Coll, 2004, pp. 325]


So someone's C-130... could you get 150 people on a C130? The specs say 92 pax.



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9883 times:



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 4):
I'll take that as the answer. Thank you.

As to SW733, I also assumed he was rich enough to have had a private jet. If he did, I wonder what's come of it.



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 5):

The more I think about it - what is a Tupolev transport plane? Did they ever produce a freighter? Sounds more like an IL-76. Or a maybe a Tupolev 134?

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 5):
stopping in Doha, Qatar

Some sources say it was a UAE city, not Doha.


User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9824 times:

Hmm. so not resolved yet. Thank you to those who are helping - I've found that googling things related to bin Laden tends to bring up a lot of junk web pages.

I wonder if the 9/11 commission report has anything. Though even something like that could well get the plane wrong, as they don't really care exactly what plane he took.


User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9693 times:

it was an American plane

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5123 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9678 times:



Quoting 413x3 (Reply 8):
it was an American plane

Source please???



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6311 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9600 times:



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 4):
As to SW733, I also assumed he was rich enough to have had a private jet. If he did, I wonder what's come of it.

Maybe not have, but charter at least.


User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

I once had to photograph a Lear 35 down in Amarillo Texas that was one of the Bin Ladens aircraft. So they apparently have some birds of their own at least under the Corporate Bin Laden name whatever that may be...j

User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6748 times:



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 11):
I once had to photograph a Lear 35 down in Amarillo Texas that was one of the Bin Ladens aircraft. So they apparently have some birds of their own at least under the Corporate Bin Laden name whatever that may be...j

You are referring to the jets of the Bin Laden family. But I doubt he was allowed to use one of them in the year 1996.

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User currently offlineSAAB900 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6612 times:



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 4):
I also assumed he was rich enough to have had a private jet.

Osama's oldest brother Salem had BAe125/800A HZ-BL2 c/n 258126/NA0419 which was registered to Sheikh Bin Laden! Its now registered N818WM.

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I believe they have now got a newer Hawker900XP HZ-BIN c/n HA-0023 although this is registered without the infamous name to Salem Aviation Jeddah. They also have Citation CJ1 HZ-BL1 c/n 525-0371.

Dave(SAAB900).


User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4130 times:



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 11):

Thats correct...Think it was called Bin Laden Holdings here in the USA, the lear had US registration...j


User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

well, we've turned up pics of his sibling's aircraft - interesting stuff, guys.

i do feel bad for his family members who honestly don't have any connection to him- must be rather awkward to have that family name now.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25106 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3608 times:

Quoting Tharanga (Reply 15):
i do feel bad for his family members who honestly don't have any connection to him- must be rather awkward to have that family name now.

Yeslam, one of Osama's older (by 6 years) half-brothers (same father, different mother -- his father had over 50 children by about 25 wives) has lived in GVA for about 25 years and is very westernized. He also studied in the U.S. He is a pilot and used to fly his own Learjet. Not sure if he still has it. There was an article about him 2 or 3 years ago in a GVA newspaper showing him flying the Learjet on a business trip in Europe..

The U.S. NBC network did a a lengthy interview of him a few years ago in GVA (2004 I think) where he comments on the problems the name has caused him. He spells his last name "Binladin".
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5403841

The video is in two parts. The link to the second part is about half way down the first page which I think is a transcript of all or most of the interview.

[Edited 2009-09-18 15:15:17]

User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3558 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
He spells his last name "Binladin".

Bin Ladin is also the name of their business empire.

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 5):
So someone's C-130... could you get 150 people on a C130? The specs say 92 pax.

If there were many lap children... maybe. Israelis have once stuffed B747 with 1122 people during Operation Solomon... But who's C-130 would it have been?


User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

American C-130 as a courtesy to their Saudi oil friends

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Surprising that the CIA did not give him and his entourage a nicer ride...


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

attracts too much attention

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