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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Hello!

I'm currently in the process of building a 20 year full history of scheduled airline service into Boise, Idaho and would greatly greatly appreciate all the help I can get. Since there are so many minor schedule changes, it's virtually impossible to get everything, but I do have a couple quick questions for anyone in the know:

1) Has Boise ever seen any scheduled passenger 757 flights besides charters and diversions? Having closely followed the schedules, I don't seem to remember a time when any airline brought in 757s, but statistics in the Master Plan seem to state otherwise. The only thing I can think of was that short BOI-OGG stint back in 2002-2003 with Hawaiian Vacations or something like that.

2) At what point in time did AS/QX have their peak number of daily flights and/or total seats out of Boise?

3) Does anyone have any photos of pre-extension (before 1995 I believe) Concourse B? I used to go through there many many times but I can only vaguely remember it, and am trying to get all the information I can. What airlines used which gates?

Any help in the issue is GREATLY appreciated...seriously, if there's something I can do in return, I'd be happy to!  

[Edited 2009-09-16 22:25:49]

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User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

I want to say "yes" on the 757, but I can't remember if Delta or United or Northwest ever brought one in. There were charters to Hawaii a few years back. And of course UPS and FedEx use 757s. UPS has an A-300 operating there now.

Horizon/Alaska...peak departures would have likely been back in the day when Boise was a hub (1995ish). Idaho Falls, Pocatello, Sun Valley, Twin Falls, Lewiston, Pullman, Seattle, Portland, Spokane and Alaska to Seattle and LA (many moons ago). Peak seats would likely be today as the smallest plane is now a 70 seat CR7. When Boise was a hub, many flights were Metros and Baby Dashes.


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2470 times:
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Quoting Airport (Thread starter):
1) Has Boise ever seen any scheduled passenger 757 flights besides charters and diversions? Having closely followed the schedules, I don't seem to remember a time when any airline brought in 757s, but statistics in the Master Plan seem to state otherwise. The only thing I can think of was that short BOI-OGG stint back in 2002-2003 with Hawaiian Vacations or something like that.

2) At what point in time did AS/QX have their peak number of daily flights and/or total seats out of Boise?

3) Does anyone have any photos of pre-extension (before 1995 I believe) Concourse B? I used to go through there many many times but I can only vaguely remember it, and am trying to get all the information I can. What airlines used which gates?

Here are your answers:
1- No 757 pax service has ever been scheduled into BOI.
2- http://www.departedflights.com/QXBOIhub.html
3- Gate 10,11 UA JK used 11 every once in awhile
12 VB PS WN QX (early F28 flights) JK KN
14 AS WC FL(Frontier 1) F9 WA NW DL CO HP
15 (stairwell) UA Express
And some gate movement when resurfacing apron areas.
Having lived here since 1970 and following airlines here since 1979, I even have handmade chart of start and stop dates of airlines here. How geeky is that? lol

Having had worked for WN since 4/95 til 7/09, it was nic e to see variety of planes. Especially for football games and bowl games. Only 757s pax wise were Pace, Ryan Intl, ATA, charters, aformentioned FedEx and UPS, and a few UA subs. and DL diverts.

[Edited 2009-09-17 20:35:27]


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User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5603 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

On at least 2 occasions, and maybe as many as 3, QX op'd flights to SAN. The most recent time was summer of 2007 thru the end of that year; I would assume they also flew BOI-SAN during the "hub" years of the late 90s.

Sorry, that's about all I can add to your project.

bb


User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Over the years, BOI has seen pretty much the following,,,,

Trans Magic Airlines (later renamed Air Idaho) they operated Navajos & Riley TurboLiner Dehavilland Herons- 1970's

Hughes AirWest dc9's and F27's (short term Republic DC9's)

United Airlines 727's, 737's, DC8's, CRJ's (at one time they had727's to Pendleton OR from BOI) thru ZW 146's. A320's

Sun Valley Key Airlines (Later Key Airlines) Navajos, Twin Otters, Britten Norman Islanders, CVR580's

Cascade Airways C99's, Metros, HS748's, Badierantes, BAC111's

Mountain West Airlines Bandierantes Navajos

SkyWest EMB120's Metros, Crj's

Gem State metros & Convair 580's

Air Oregon Metros

Transwestern C99's Twin Otters metros

Alaska 727's 737's MD80's

PSA Md80's

America West 737's (mesa crj's) US 737's 320's

SunWorld DC9's

Wien Air 737's 727's

Continental DC9's MD80's

Golden Gate Metros occasionally Dash7's

American (eagle only 145's)

Express jet 145's

Pacific Express BAC 111's

Morris 737's (charter DC8's, 727's,)

NPA-United Express J31's

Frontier(1) 737's Frontier (2) 737's, A318-19, Lynx Q400's

Empire F27's Metros

Big Sky Handley Page jetstreams, Metros, Beech 1900's

Horizon Metros, F27's, CVR580's, Dc9' Dash's & Q400's F28's CRJ's

Delta 737's, 727's Crj's (express jet 145's)

Western 737's 727's

Northwest A319-20s

southwest 737's

There may be a few commuter operators that I have missed that were shortlived in the market.... I think MTNWEST79 can correct those I've missed.

[Edited 2009-09-18 03:39:49]

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2330 times:



Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 4):
Over the years, BOI has seen pretty much the following,,,,

Excellent list. I think you pretty much hit everything. Thank you so much!

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 2):
QX (early F28 flights)

Hah! I knew it! I had a vague memory of seeing my father depart on a QX F-28 out of Concourse B a long long time ago, but that didn't seem to make sense to me, so I just disregarded it.

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 2):
Having lived here since 1970 and following airlines here since 1979, I even have handmade chart of start and stop dates of airlines here. How geeky is that? lol

Not geeky at all...okay well it might be, but I've done just about the same exact thing! Big grin

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 2):
Having had worked for WN since 4/95 til 7/09, it was nic e to see variety of planes. Especially for football games and bowl games. Only 757s pax wise were Pace, Ryan Intl, ATA, charters, aformentioned FedEx and UPS, and a few UA subs. and DL diverts.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as I don't ever remember 757s making a scheduled appearance here in Boise (sans once back in November of 2004 or 2005 when the airport was closed for a few days due to fog...there were some interesting subs, from 2-3 UA 757s to an AS 737-900 and I want to say several other unique subs). Hey thank you so much for the reply, it's helped a lot.  Smile

Thank you again everyone for your replies, it has helped tremendously. If any of you ever want an absurd wealth of useless knowledge about the Boise Airport and its service history within the last 10 years, feel free to PM me.  wave 


User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2267 times:

Wasn't the COEX service to IAH the first ever red-eye on a CRJ/ERJ?

User currently offlineTUSAA From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2257 times:



Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 4):
American (eagle only 145's)

American Eagle flew DFW-BOI with the CRJ-700. No E-145's ever flew that route.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2240 times:

Pretty sure TW flew STL-BOI with DC9s.... and I believe OZ did before that.


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2218 times:
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Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 4):
Sun Valley Key Airlines (Later Key Airlines) Navajos, Twin Otters, Britten Norman Islanders, CVR580's

Their CVRs were 440s. I dont think they upgraded them to 580s.

Cascade Airways C99's, Metros, HS748's, Badierantes, BAC111's

And Beech 1900s.

Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 4):
Air Oregon Metros

Also Navajos during their first stint in BOI until 1979.

Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 4):
PSA Md80's


Also DC-9-30s and 146s on off occasions.

Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 4):
SunWorld DC9's

Also ex Royal West 146s near the end.

Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 4):
NPA-United Express J31's

After WestAir folded NPA under WestAir name, they flew EMB 120s,also.

Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 4):
Frontier(1) 737's

Also DC-9-80. First scheduled DC-9-80 flight was FL on a DEN-SLC-BOI-SLC-DEN routing.

Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 4):
Empire F27's Metros

Cessnna 441s too when they started sched ops.

Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 4):
Northwest A319-20s

Plus DC-9-30s and 727-200s.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 8):
Pretty sure TW flew STL-BOI with DC9s.... and I believe OZ did before that.

Neither TW or OZ ever served BOI with sched service.

Minuteman Aviation flew to Chgallis and Missoula with 402s for short time.
Air Northwest had a Navajo BOI-Elko-Battle Mtn-Winnemucca-Reno 3x week.
Pacific Cal Air op BOI-RNO with SWM from June 82 until Oct 82 or so.
Eagle Air op Navajo BOI-TWF very short time in '84. Used original Skywest counter after they left.
Guess have to include Salmon and McCall Air's foray into limited sched service.



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User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2194 times:



Quoting TUSAA (Reply 7):
American Eagle flew DFW-BOI with the CRJ-700. No E-145's ever flew that route.

my bad.... you are correct on that, I even flew that one, and it was LONG

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 9):
Eagle Air op Navajo BOI-TWF very short time in '84. Used original Skywest counter after they left.

I had forgotten about their existance. When I worked for (VB) Pacific Express as Route Developer, Eagle Air was attempting to get the EAS contract at that time for TWF-BOI, which we at VB were also trying to get. In the end, as was Cascade and Transwestern. In the end, none of us got it. The ended the subsidy for TWF-BOI.


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2143 times:
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Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 10):
When I worked for (VB) Pacific Express as Route Developer, Eagle Air was attempting to get the EAS contract at that time for TWF-BOI, which we at VB were also trying to get. In the end, as was Cascade and Transwestern. In the end, none of us got it. The ended the subsidy for TWF-BOI.

LOL, I remember reading a newspaper article talking about that. IIRC, VB wanted like just over $800,000/yr and the others were a lot less, obviously due to eqiupment. I

I had a nice brochure that Pacific Express had put together and on the back was a map showing current cities and proposed cities at the time. I remember it showed Pasco,WA and can't recollect any others.

Ah the memories of old days lol.



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User currently offlineSlcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Who currently has the most seats in/out of BOI?

Is it horizon, delta, or southwest?


User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2102 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 11):
had a nice brochure that Pacific Express had put together and on the back was a map showing current cities and proposed cities at the time. I remember it showed Pasco,WA and can't recollect any others.

Ah the memories of old days lol.

when operations ceased it was BFL, BOI, CIC, FAT, LMT, LAS, LAX, MFR, MOD, MRY, OAK, PSP, PDX, RDD, SCK, SMF, SFO, SJC, SBA, GEG. A few months previous we had dropped STS. When the order was placed for the 146's BAe gave VB unheard of lease arrangements on the BAC111's that included almost free maintenance on them. They were so noisy, and left a huge trail of black smoke everywhere they went.

AFter we were to recieve the 146's, and recieved more of them we were for sure going to add TVL, SNA, LGB, PSC, EUG, SEA, SLC, RNO. SNA
We also looked strongly at IDA, PIH, TWF, GJT, COS, FCA, TUS & PHX.

One of the biggest drawbacks to VB was that the CEO went A$$ over tea kettle on expansion, and leased those 737's from AQ. He underestimated the power that UA had intra-california at that time.

We did however form the first "real" and actual Express Partnership carrying another airlines flight numbers, and actually operating the flight with their number rather than an interchange, or
simple interline agreement. We did this with Pan Am, and became known as PanAm Pacific Express. All our ticket stock changed over to PanAms.

Ya, the good ol days, and seeing all those commuter airlines lined up at the BOI airport was quite a site.


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2050 times:
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Seems the number one problem is over expansion. Seen it time and time again. So many examples.


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User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2031 times:



Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 12):
Who currently has the most seats in/out of BOI?

Is it horizon, delta, or southwest?

It is actually Southwest. 59,000 to 41,000 per month.

While the CRJ-700 was a hike to Dallas, the ERJ-145 that ExpressJet flew to Houston was much more of a hike.


User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1913 times:



Quoting SuperDash (Reply 15):
the ERJ-145 that ExpressJet flew to Houston was much more of a hike.

at one time I believe that was the longest flight for that type of aircraft


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