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AMR: Major Fleet/Route Announcement  
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 12320 posts, RR: 62
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36392 times:



- Secured financing for remaining 737 deliveries through 2011
- Selected GE engines for new 787s
- 22 more CRJ700s being ordered
- Eagle CRJ700s getting First Class


- ORD (+57 new flights): new mainline-HNL/ANC/YVR, new Eagle-YYC/ABE/AVP/CRW/DAY/FAR/SUX/JAX/LEX/MDT/RAP
- JFK (+6 new flights): new mainline-MAD/MAN/SJO/AUS, new Eagle-CMH/STL
- LGA (+2 new flights)
- DFW (+17 new flights): new mainline-SAL
- LAX (+2 new flights)
- MIA (+23 new flights): new Eagle-BHM/CHS/PNS/TYS
- STL (-46 flights)
- RDU (-9 flights)
- JFK is now called a "hub" officially

[Edited 2009-09-17 05:00:15]

272 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8686 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36384 times:
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interesting (but not surprising) that there is a further pullback from STL

...At St. Louis, they will reduce daily departures by 46 and discontinue service to 20 destinations. After the reductions, American and Eagle will provide 36 departures per day to nine destinations. ....

It doesnt say which destinations but I would guess that most of them will be AA hubs

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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1386 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36346 times:

St. Louis

"As a result of the Company's network strategy, American and its regional affiliates plan to reduce operations at St. Louis and Raleigh/Durham. At St. Louis, they will reduce daily departures by 46 and discontinue service to 20 destinations. After the reductions, American and Eagle will provide 36 departures per day to nine destinations."
I guess the fat lady in STL must be warming up...  Big grin

No surprise there, certainly expected for some time. Suppose all Connection flying is cut, leaving a few select Eagle routes including the new JFK service.

Wow, 36 departures a day.. what a joke

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 12320 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36333 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
It doesnt say which destinations but I would guess that most of them will be AA hubs

My guess:


[Edited 2009-09-17 05:05:23]

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8686 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36251 times:
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interesting also that in the same release they advise the selection of engines for the not yet ordered 787s

...American also announced it has selected GE Aviation as the provider of engines for its expected order of Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners...

IIRC AA once before announced engine orders before airframe orders - many years ago they said that they were not yet ready to decide between the ( IIRC ) MD-XX and the 757 but that whatever they order it would be powered by PW2000s .... ...they even took out ads in a number of publications showing the aircraft as dotted outlines but with PW engines hanging off the wings ....then of course they went on to order RR powered 757s

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User currently offlineAajfksjubklyn From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36214 times:

This is amazing news!!!!!!!! Go forth AA and change your image! Now we are talking.......

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1705 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36186 times:

This is a long time coming. I think it's interesting that AA is starting mainline on JFK-AUS. How long until MIA-AUS comes along? DFW-SAL, will it be daily and on a 752?

"Things change, friends leave, life doesn't stop for anybody." -- EAT'EM UP EAT'EM UP KSU!!
User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36179 times:

I bet one route cut out of STL will be MKE, with YX starting service in March.

User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1386 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36158 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
It doesnt say which destinations but I would guess that most of them will be AA hubs

My guess:


I concur.. with somewhere in the neighborhood of:

DFW/ORD 10 each
LGA/DCA 4 each
SFO/SEA/JFK 1 each

While this is a very sad day for STL I like what I'm seeing here from AA, focusing on their strengths. Especially the commitment to the ORD operation..

User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1077 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36135 times:

Also confirmed is the start of ORD-PEK in Spring 2010.

Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1705 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36102 times:

When are these changes going to take effect?

"Things change, friends leave, life doesn't stop for anybody." -- EAT'EM UP EAT'EM UP KSU!!
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7971 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 36007 times:

Welcome back DFW-SAL!

I wonder if DFW-PTY will be increased in frequency as well.

Im also glad that AA is bringing back YYC/YVR-ORD. It underscores that AA is doing well at those stations.

Will ORD-ANC be seasonal or year round?

Finally AA is on the move after years of sitting on their asses!

Next flights: DFW-DOH-JNB/KGL-DOH-DFW on QR
User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 35951 times:

I'm glad to hear about the 737's. They need to retire those MadDogs as soon as they can.

I'm not glad to hear about more cuts at STL. I keep wishing some other airline would move in and restore STL to a major hub. I know, keep wishing.

Flying Colors Forever!
User currently offlineFCO110 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 35902 times:

Finally YVR is back. That ended as seasonal in the past - will it be year round?

User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 35818 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
My guess:


STL loses the following service:

(Atlanta), (Austin), (Cedar Rapids), (Charlotte), (Des Moines), (Indianapolis), (Jacksonville), (Las Vegas), (Madison), (Milwaukee), (Minneapolis/St. Paul), (Nashville), (Newark), (New Orleans), (Norfolk), (Northwest Regional Arkansas), (Oklahoma City), (Orlando), (Philadelphia), (Raleigh/Durham), (Richmond), (San Antonio), (San Diego), (San Francisco), (Springfield), (Tulsa), (Washington/Dulles), (Wichita).

STL-New York/JFK is added.

BOS loses the following service:

(Columbus), (San Diego)

RDU loses the following service:

(Hartford), (Columbus), (St. Louis)

United's B747-400. "She's a a cruel lover."
User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1386 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 35633 times:

Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 14):
STL loses the following service:

(San Francisco)

I'm shocked.. Yet BOS survives...

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3925 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 35508 times:

Any news about the L gates at ORD?

"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offline777STL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 35479 times:

Yeah, I heard this on the STL news this morning. I guess this signals the official dehubbing of STL as it is still technically a hub, in name if not in function.

User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 35478 times:

Maybe DL will now want to convert EV, OH, & OO's CRJ-700's with First Class also? Nice to see new orders for the CR7's!

"To fly or not to fly there is no question!"
User currently offlineIlliniCMI From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 35338 times:

Wow. Sad to see STL essentially "go away", guess I'll have to deal with ORD more often now if I want a direct flight out. I can see this actually having a positive impact on some of the smaller regional airports in the area, might as well connect out of them instead of STL, since now we'll be connecting pretty much everywhere anyway.

That said, I too like most of these changes. Glad AA is shaking things up and moving forward.

User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2047 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 35155 times:

Quoting Commavia (Thread starter):
- ORD (+57 new flights): new mainline-HNL/ANC/YVR, new Eagle-YYC/ABE/AVP/CRW/DAY/FAR/SUX/JAX/LEX/MDT/RAP

A lot of these are resumptions of what they hacked out a while ago right? I am assuming we will see more flights also added to a few select currently served cities? I would love to see TOL-ORD back to 4x daily.

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 35071 times:

Quoting Contrails (Reply 12):
I'm glad to hear about the 737's. They need to retire those MadDogs as soon as they can.

The Mad Dogs are still young. They will serve for another few years at least, if not until the early 2020's. I read somewhere (can't recall where, probably Wikipedia) that American has leases on the MD-80's expiring as late as 2024, is it true? Otherwise, I'm pretty confident that American will still have a bunch of MD-80's well into the mid 2010's. It looks like the last one will be retired in the early 2020's. By that time the 738 retirement will begin.

Whenever I fly domestic I look for a Super 80, those are pleasant to fly on. I prefer them over the 737's. If the global economy improves, American may slow down the retirement of the 80's and keep those longer.

Ben Soriano

Ben Soriano
User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2143 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 35077 times:

Quoting Commavia (Thread starter):
ORD (+57 new flights): new mainline-HNL/ANC/YVR, new Eagle-YYC/ABE/AVP/CRW/DAY/FAR/SUX/JAX/LEX/MDT/RAP

Do we have any visibility into the 57 new flights? Obviously at least half of them are the new service listed above. Do we know where AA will be adding back frequencies? Some of the cuts they made last spring ran really deep - Pittsburgh, for example, got cut from five flights a day to a measly three. Will we see some mid-morning and late-evening departures return on selected routes that lost them earlier this year?

I'm also guessing the "redeployment" of "most" CR7 aircraft into the Chicago market - as stated in the press release - means that we'll probably a few more mainline routes convert over to Eagle. ABQ, IND and DTW are already going all-Eagle (if they haven't already) and some other routes like MSY and ATL are operating in mixed mode. I'm willing to bet with this announcement we might see the end of mainline service from Chicago to ELP and maybe even MCI as well.

If American is in fact taking over Delta's vacated gates on Concourse L, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more gates on H converted over to Eagle. Back in 2004 we saw most of the former Fokker gates (H1-H4) switch to Eagle. I could see H5 and possibly K1-K2 converting as well, but I'm just guessing here...

All in all I'm happy to have more choices on AA here in Chicago (the last year I think they cut a bit too deeply) but it's naive to think that it won't come without some mainline service reductions. The addition of first class on the CR7s is huge, however, and long overdue.

Just my two cents...

User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 34991 times:

Quoting Commavia (Thread starter):
- Selected GE engines for new 787s

Now THAT is a surprise. I thought AA would only order GE engines when pigs flew, as it seemed that they preferred RR. Well, since they've been taking delivery of 738s with CFMs (as it's the sole engine supplier), GE must have given them a sweet deal on both the GENx and the CFM. Anyway, this is exciting news! Congrats to AA & GE!

Quoting Commavia (Thread starter):
STL (-46 flights)

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 2):
Wow, 36 departures a day.. what a joke

Well, 36 departures is no hub, nor is it really a focus city. IMO, STL should just have flights to AA's hubs. AA really has no need for a STL hub, anyway; it's too close to ORD. I think what they've got now is a good balance: JFK, MIA, ORD, DFW. This allows them to allocate their resources more effectively.

Quoting Contrails (Reply 12):
I'm glad to hear about the 737's. They need to retire those MadDogs as soon as they can.

So am I. The M80s need to go!

Another thing I want to add is that I think they should add PTVs with LiveTV in the 738s, for business reasons. If they are going to have a major hub at JFK, they need something to compete with B6 and with CO (from EWR). If they want to charge for it, that's their prerogative, but IMO, they should have the option available so they can match B6 and CO. An advantage to this is that they can refit their existing 738s and have the new ones factory-delivered from Boeing with them installed.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 9):
Also confirmed is the start of ORD-PEK in Spring 2010.

They also need to start ORD-HKG. Hong Kong is a major Chinese city that AA does not serve. UA has a monopoly on the route and is reaping a goldmine. Competition on that route would be a great thing! Plus, it would allow AA passengers to connect with CX flights.

User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 34991 times:

From the AA press release:

"Dallas/Fort Worth

The Company remains committed to its largest hub and will add 19 daily departures for a total of 780. The increase will consist of 17 mainline jet departures. In addition, service to San Salvador, El Salvador will be re-instated after a two-year hiatus, bringing total non-stop destinations from DFW to 160."

I assume the specific additions for DFW have yet to be announced, as this says there will be 19 total additional daily departures, 17 of which are mainline. And are the two additional flights for Eagle at DFW a new destination yet to be announced?

25 Mdavies06 : Glad to know AA is expanding in Europe. JFK-MAD/MAN are great news for them and for travelers.
26 Miaami : Great to hear Miami is getting 23 new flights. Any word on the break down of those flights? I know we will be getting new flights to BHM, PNS, TYS, CH
27 JBAirwaysFan : Maybe this is a delayed response to JetBlue's JFK-AUS Service? Today's schedule for B6 is 3x daily JFK-AUS which two are 320s
28 DFWEagle : JFK-MAN will be a seasonal flight, operated between 16th May 2010 and 30th September 2010 using international configured Boeing 757-200 aircraft. JFK-
29 Justplanenutz : Don't they need APA's blessing to fly the additional CR7's?
30 FWAERJ : Don't forget DL's 73G's, 738s, and domestic 763s out of JFK... There's rumors that CX will launch ORD-HKG in mid-2010, and will codeshare with AA at
31 DFWEagle : No, the current scope contract already allows for an additional 23 (or 25?) 70-seat aircraft to be flown by Eagle.
32 JBAirwaysFan : Though probably darn near impossible, it would be nice to have DAB-DFW like we had in 2003. I think the reason why DL dropped it was because they clos
33 DFWEagle : ORD-PIT will have three daily flights added, bringing it up to six daily.
34 Flyinryan99 : Do you know of the cities that are increasing frequencies? Just wondering...
35 CMB320 : I'm interested to see how they will replace the CRJ flights out of DFW.
36 FWAERJ : What about FWA? We were cut from 4x daily to 3x daily (except Saturdays where it's 2x) on ORD-FWA and 3x daily to 2x daily on FWA-DFW (all Eagle flig
37 PlaneAdmirer : Per the WSJ article, it is GE that is providing the financing: "American turned to General Electric Co. with a $1.6 billion of aircraft sale-leasebac
38 LAXdude1023 : Anyone know if ORD-ANC/HNL are seasonal or year round. Also will ORD-HNL be daily?
39 Moman : The final end of the STL hub. I hope they keep the Admirals' Club.
40 DFWEagle : Sorry, I don’t know about any frequency changes to specific cities yet apart from Chicago-Pittsburgh. Some emerging details about the frequencies o
41 Tinpusher007 : They have a lot of catching up to do with the likes of CO and DL. But credit where credit is due!
42 Seatback : News like this is playing offense rather than defense. Nice to see that AA is protecting its turf especially in NYC. Watch out Delta. I also like the
43 LAXdude1023 : Add one or two more Asian destinations from DFW to Asia and that completes my list.
44 C767P : Is SAN not a seasonal route? It is still listed on the schedule to return 4/6/10. When they announced the restart of BOS-SAN for this April it was li
45 Airbazar : Won't this route be a bit of a stretch for these 757's, with MAD at 2,000ft elevation and Summer temperatures often above 100F for a mid-day departur
46 Ikramerica : This explains why I got an email that AMR was up over 20% today.
47 Brilondon : I thought she has been singing for quite a while she just has not gotten to the end of the song yet. There goes TWA completely then if it has not alr
48 MasseyBrown : That probably reflects AMR's securing $2.9 billion in new debt facilities as much as the route announcement.
49 MSYtristar : Any other changes for MSY besides losing the four Eagle flight to STL? That really sucks. Hopefully another ORD or DFW will be added in its place, but
50 Boeingfever777 : Not to sound like a moron... How are they selecting engines when they have not firmed up their order?
51 MasseyBrown : GECAS is giving them a huge loan immediately.
52 Cubsrule : I'm surprised too, actually. All of the public numbers for SEA and SFO are quite similar. SFO is a tad smaller but a tad higher yielding, and also pr
53 Buddys747 : I often wondered if AA/AE would return to MDT. The signs are still up at gate C1 , the ticket counter, and some de-icing equipment remained. October o
54 Boeingfever777 : A loan for what, to buy planes from Boeing direct?
55 Post contains links MasseyBrown : http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas.../2009/09/14/daily38.html?ana=yfcpc Among other things.
56 AEroc : Anyone know what (if any) changes in frequency might be on routes that lost flights back in fall 2008? Im curious in ORD-BUF/ROC/SYR that all are at 3
57 Steex : This is essentially what they've done, though there is no need to throw away the high O&D markets from STL where they've done a lot of legwork to mai
58 Lfutia : It would also be nice if they returned to Nassau from Chicago for the summer or something along the lines of that. As an employee at Chicago O'Hare wo
59 Cubsrule : Along with MSY, I think AUS is actually one of the most likely candidates for new WN service. I like AUS, SAT, MSY, BNA, and IND; I don't see SAN, bu
60 LAXdude1023 : Im so glad DFW-SAL is coming back. The Dallas area has the 5th largest Salvadoran community in the US after LA, Washingon DC, New York, and Houston.[E
61 GustyOrange : Any word on the proposed ORD-Europe routes anyone? BHX and GLA were rumoured a while ago.
62 MAH4546 : Awesome news! And I told you guys MIA-PNS/BHM were next. This is great. And, finally, first class on the CRJs! Any new Miami routes to Europe and Sout
63 Post contains links FlyCMH : Wow, this is definitely a huge announcement from AMR Corp. The outlined fleet and network plan for the next several quarters sounds good. It's dishear
64 Miaami : CMH-JFK will operate twice daily according to employee website.
65 Steex : I agree with your thoughts as well, and I wondered the same about SAN. It is a route where I can't really envision anyone other than WN flying it rig
66 Longhornmaniac : This is really exciting news for AA!! I'm really surprised by the AUS-JFK announcement, but no AUS-MIA. I'm sure AA has seen the goldmine that B6 has
67 MAH4546 : I'm curious too. CR7 would make things a lot easier on these runs, and also open up the possibility of flying MIA-ROC/SYR/BUF/YOW/MKE, all of which c
68 FlyCMH : Thanks for the (very) quick response. So, barring any other changes, there will be no change in frequency total from CMH, just the loss of 2 destinat
69 Miaami : I am also suprised that they are starting MIA-BHM/PNS with 2 nonstops each. Maybe we will see additional frequencies on MIA-IND/CVG/CMH/PIT.
70 MAH4546 : It is possible. AA is adding 23 daily flights to MIA in addition to the 15 already announced. The current schedule is 271 daily flights, and that inc
71 Ikramerica : The entire announcement today. I never said it was due to route announcements specifically.
72 BNinMSY : MSY .. with four flights to STL potentially going away .. I'm certain WN will step up to the plate with nonstop service and potentially a MSY-LIT-STL.
73 Longhornmaniac : MSY-STL and MSY-LIT-STL are both possible, but keep dreaming about the SHV service. Not gonna happen in the near future. Market is WAY too small. Che
74 ERJ170 : Well, I think the RDU focus is officially dead. I don't know who I could see backfilling anything. There just isn't that momentum to really backfill t
75 Raggi : If you consider AA's fleet, they have a rather substantial fleet of GE powered 767s, and of course operated the M11 and D10 with GE power. Sure, the
76 Jfk777 : 787-9's with GE reminds me of 20 years ago when they ordered all teh MD-11's, A300 and 763ER's with GE's, why they ordered 777 with RR was all beyond
77 BHMNONREV : Indeed sir, we have been talking about this here for the past 2-3 years and it will finally happen. The missus will be tickled about being able to av
78 Crosswinds21 : Wow this is really big news, especially with the new destinations out of ORD. The reductions from STL aren't really a surprise as just about everyone
79 Timberwolf24 : I'm glad to see AA growing again at ORD. I would have like to have seen a couple of new long haul routes added too. I think this rumor has been around
80 Flyinryan99 : Do you think they would bump the E145s out of MIA or compliment them? If they were to compliment them and maybe upgrade them on existing routes, do y
81 Ripcordd : I wonder if this opens the door for 777LR with the deal from GE >? All in all great news esp for ORD
82 Cubsrule : Some ER4 routes - like CLT and JAX - work pretty well on the ER4.
83 AirRyan : Probably got a great deal on those CRJ-700's, Bombardier is hurting right now. Good deal on the GEnx's, let's get that puppy in the air! What's the wo
84 TAN FLYR : well as a former resident of FWA, I sure would like to see mainline return, but that probably will not happen until a new 100 seater comes along (ass
85 Miaskies : WOW..it's not every day you read expansion of routes across the board, upgrading fleet from AMR! Right On! Hmm I am dying to know what the new 23 depa
86 DeltaL1011man : good luck getting AA's pilots to agree to any of this. BTW The day AA does LAX-SYD is the day i become CEO of Delta. No way would AA go after QF. No
87 777STL : Why would it? AA doesn't need the 777LR.
88 GSP psgr : Gosh, American doesn't seem to like GSP much-no return of ORD and no new MIA service either....on the other hand, they are now adding some additional
89 Manfredj : I'm confused here. Exactly what needs to be changed image wise? I'm quite happy with their product and somewhat planted seat they have in the US mark
90 HNL-Jack : the resumption of HNL/ORD service is great news.
91 PVD757 : Great news for AA, their hubs, and the many new destinations and market pairs. I like the MIA additions most. Too bad PVD didn't make the list of dots
92 Cubsrule : Does anyone know the date of these schedule changes? "2010" is as close as I've been able to find.
93 Mdavies06 : Actually CX just had news out yesterday (the HAECO announcement) and as part of the announcement they stated that they are not looking at cancelling
94 Jfk777 : AA could get 777-300ER's and 777LR's with those 787-9's. By then the first 777 AA got could belong in tooth.
95 BigGSFO : Great news! So correct me if I am wrong, but Portland and Sacramento are the two largest US cities lacking AA nonstops to ORD. No surprise that STL wa
96 Flyby519 : Anyone know what will happen to the 15 E140s CHQ was flying out of STL under the AX banner? I assume 1-2 of them will be used for the CHQ AX ORD flyin
97 OzarkD9S : Well I predicted this (STL cuts) about a month or so ago based on AA CSR scuttlebutt @ STL, they were thinking this fall so they were right, but a few
98 USAirALB : I woner if AA will be back to ALB/PVD....I doubt it though. UA and WN through a party when they left.
99 44k : Great news! Few questions: - Anyone know the equipment for ORD-HNL. Hopefully 763. - Seating configuration for CR7's after F/C installation (how many
100 A342 : I wonder why they haven't snapped up the ~20 CRJ700s QX is getting rid of?
101 Cubsrule : FWIW, 2 left the contract a few months ago, leaving only 13. I imagine many of them will wind up in YX colors...
102 Expressjet_erj : A few months back CHQ signed an extension with AA it downsized the operation to 13 planes. These planes will move to ORD in April.
103 B6flyboy : I think this all great for the future of AA, I look forward to it! Here is my question...there is no mention of the SJU hub and bringing back much of
104 Flyby519 : Happen to know how long the extension was? Does it expire in 2013?
105 Ripcordd : Well I think the 777LR could be used for DFW/SYD ORD/BOM I'm sure there is some more they could think of
106 BigBadBoo : Chicago is the best hub for Europeans connecting on AA...very good news to see it growing. ORD is kind of a bellwether I think, when times are bad it
107 Ripcordd : Also they are adding CR-7 which right they are at the scope clause limit on them based on seat count. When they F class seats they are going to drop d
108 LACA773 : What new flights are going to be started at LAX?
109 DFWEagle : AA/Eagle will add only three daily flights to SJU, bringing the combined total up to 67 daily flights for summer 2010. STL will no longer be classifi
110 Ckfred : When AA bought TWA, getting the STL made sense. The summer of 2000 was miserable at ORD, between Chicago having one of the stormiest summers in years
111 Surfandsnow : Very, very, very interesting developments! AA is all too often criticized on here for playing very conservatively while its rivals like CO, DL, and US
112 Flyby519 : According to our company memo all AE CRJs will have 2 class configs. Existing CRJs in the fleet (25) will start getting upgraded Spring 2010. The oth
113 DFWEagle : BOS will remain unchanged overall at 66 daily flights, while SJU will have three daily flights added to bring it up to 67.
114 Panam330 : Any news on BUF/ROC/SYR? Frequency additions to ORD, restoration of DFW and/or a CR7 to MIA? Please!
115 BOStonsox : So what is the gate situation at STL? Now that they are down to 37 flights/day with no plans to add any much more, why doesn't AA give their gates to
116 Jetlanta : In all fairness, AA has always had historic strength in the major core U.S. markets. CO, DL and US are much more the amalgamation of smaller regional
117 Tommy767 : Seems that EWR will also be getting the shaft after they loose their 4x daily STL flights...now it will be down to 5x ORD, 6x DFW, 1x LAX, 3x MIA. No
118 Cubsrule : STL has had more gates than it knows what to do with for some time. AFAIK, none of the current AA gates can handle both RJs and mainline, so they'll
119 AEroc : Im wondering the same thing Panam. I will try to get some more info from they guys here to see if they have heard anything. If ROC gets just one more
120 ERJ170 : So will RDU get upgraded on some of their flights? Namely ORD (3 MD80, 2 CRJ) and DFW (5 MD80)? So this will leave RDU with ORD, MIA, DFW, BOS, LGA, J
121 LAXdude1023 : Interestingly enough, RDU is now a bigger station than STL for AA.
122 Cubsrule : I'm relatively certain, though, that STL will have more domestic seats and ASMs.
123 ERJ170 : WHAT??? That's impossible! That must mean RDU is going to get further cuts in the near future. Is STL still considered a hub after the cuts? Regardle
124 LAXdude1023 : Well, according to the article STL will have 36 departures and 9 destinations. RDU will have 44 departures to 8 destinations.
125 BOStonsox : There is a post earlier that mentioned that BOS-CMH and BOS-SAN were being dropped. I wonder where they are adding flights. AA has 66 flights? I'm su
126 FlyAA757 : Any chance these will actually be CRJ-705's and not 700s? Seems kind of strange to add 700s at this point. The CR7 backlog is zero for a reason...
127 ERJ170 : Interesting.. I wonder if any RDU flights will get upgraded? 44 flights 1x LHR (763) 3x MIA (738) 8x DCA (ERJ) 5x DFW (will this upgrade to 738s?) 11x
128 LambertMan : Perhaps the news isn't great for everyone. This is quite simply very sad for the city of St. Louis. I've often said that its ridiculous people whine
129 Commavia : I can definitely think of a few routes that, down the road maybe five years from now, could definitely work, but wouldn't be feasible (or would be pr
130 Jetlanta : With all due respect Com, AA has about a 13% combined domestic/international revenue share of the LAX O&D market. UA is about the same. WN and DL are
131 Commavia : Let me re-phrase. I was not meaning that other airlines were not also huge at LAX. AA is one of the dominant players at LAX, and is particularly a do
132 Us330 : AA might be a little slow, but they are finally getting it. Now, if they want to aid their image rebuidling at NYC, maybe they should spend some money
133 FCO110 : With regional jets getting a first class cabin is there ANY chance AA will ever offer some type of premium economy? There have got to be some roues th
134 Jetlanta : Much better! They have moved very conservatively, but I agree that this is a good sign for them. There is no need to remodel LGA as the PANYNJ is goi
135 MtnWest1979 : Any bets on how long they stay in FAR, SUX, etc ?
136 Dynkrisolo : Good memory, but I don't recall MDC had any serious design to challenge the 757 at the time when AA ordered the PW2000 around 1980. Eventually, AA or
137 KLASM83 : Can't say much about SUX, but I can guess that they will be in FAR for at least 6 months to see how the loads to develop and then AA can evaluate wha
138 Nomorerjs : The AAnouncement wAAs finAAlly mAAde! Regarding ORD to MCI going to RJs, they would have to increase flights. Everytime I'm in KC, the ORD and DFW fli
139 CrAAzy : Well if AA does start a CR7 MKE-MIA non-stop route with F seats I think I'd breakdown and cry with joy. Although it could really put a hurt on my ban
140 Belizexp : Why would DL need to do this when DL has the CRJ 900 with F/C
141 ABQ747 : Why is ABQ being downgraded to Eagle? ORD-ABQ has always been flown with MD-80s.
142 Wedgetail737 : Is AE buying all of their CRJ-700's from Bombardier? Could this be the new home for all of those QX CR7's that they have been trying to sell? Is it po
143 Iowaman : SUX is a very small market, I don't see this lasting.
144 Post contains links MIASkies : I am assuming AA/AE will receive the new Next Gen CRJ-700 frames? what are some of the differences that passengers will see between the "Old CR7" with
145 BigBadBoo : awww, so sad. Sorry! But, it is always darkest before dawn and while AA may never come back in force (never an ideal fit anyway), to my way of thinki
146 NoMoreRJs : SUX is Sioux Falls, IA. FSD is Sioux Falls, SD. This should be FSD, not SUX. Also, FSD has quite a bit of banking business with many connections to LG
147 Crosswinds21 : I don't know why everyone is saying SUX. AA is not going going to be serving SUX (which is Sioux City, IA). They will be serving FSD (Sioux Falls, SD
148 WESTERN737800 : My guess for FAR, FSD, RAP would be 1 year tops. I'm not sure about FAR, but AA flew F100s ORD-FSD for approx 2 years during the early 90s. Eagle res
149 KcrwFlyer : Its great to see AA investing in CRW. I think the response to their LGA service played a big part in their decision to add ORD. Its also great to see
150 N7371f : I would not have been shocked at AA announced ORD-GEG on CR7's. GEG has a large concentration of AS frequent fliers and could pull on that marketing d
151 STT757 : The Port Authority has in their capital plans a $1.2 Billion Dollar rebuilding of the Central Terminal Building at LGA, it's in the planning stages a
152 WorldTraveler : Congrats to AA and its supporters... There is a pulse in the strategy group over there. AA is clearly expecting some recovery of business in order to
153 MSYtristar : Leave it to WT to bring the "every airline pails in comparison to DL" viewpoint into the mix. Let AA have its day w/o going down that road. These wer
154 Usafret : Just got home and read all this. Disappointed in the service cuts for STL, guess I'll be doing more changing of flights in ORD and DFW. C Concourse is
155 USAirALB : Personally, I think AA is lacking in the 90 seat market..With this you could see ALB/PVD return as well as ALB/PVD/ROC/BUF-MIA/DFW. But until that day
156 Commavia : AA's been that same "distant #3" for decades, and they seem to be surviving somehow. Well, obviously AA doesn't need to be "aggressive" on the MAD ru
157 AVLAirlineFreq : Any ideas when the specifics not announced as part of this news, such as who gets the additional AA and Eagle flights to DFW, will be revealed?
158 Commavia : I suspect they'll be tricking out in schedule loadings (every week on Sunday) over the next 4-6 weeks. My guess is that, definitely, by the time we g
159 AusA380 : A couple of writers have suggested AA fly DFW or LAX to SYD. They tried that many years ago, and with their very close relationship with QF and the nu
160 Commavia : It has never been tried nonstop. Previously, AA flew DFW-HNL-SYD (and DFW-HNL-AKL) almost twenty years ago. That was with more expensive DC10s, and t
161 Milesrich : SUX is SIOUX CITY, Iowa, not Sioux Falls, IA. SUX is the site of the 1989 crash of UA 232, a DC-10 enroute from DEN to ORD.
162 Iowaman : Alright, that makes much more sense. FAR and FSD are pretty limited markets too though. I wouldn't hold your breath. WN would start GEG-MDW before AA
163 Nomorerjs : SUX is Sioux City, IA, not Sioux Falls, IA. I apologize for this error as I had my head up my posterior when I typed that. I think AA would start ORD-
164 Buddys747 : Shows how much I payed attention, I didn't even see AVP! That's a bit surprising, but I guess UA only does 2x daily now, maybe they see some potentia
165 Phelpsie87 : I was thinking the same. UA's ORD service has been inconsistent at best out of FAR, as I have seen it first hand. Its a roller coasted ride. We all k
166 Flighty : As a big fan of the CRJ-700, I congratulate AA on their order!
167 MAH4546 : BOS-SAN is ending permanently, again. You mean how AA's pilots fly ORD-DEL with no issue? If AA wanted to fly to Australia, they could easily do so a
168 JA : FSD has a grant that AA was targeted for. It is possible that they may be using this grant to offset service startup there.
169 Airbusaddict : I think that the grant was only targeted for service to DFW on AA, or DEN on F9. I doubt that they used the grant for this service. If they did, it w
170 CIDFlyer : Sad to see STL finally get the plug, but I guess the writing was on the wall once they went down to below 100 flights. I always liked using it as an a
171 Tiger119 : Loses service totally or loses a frequency? If it goes away completely (I believe) that will leave WN as the sole provider of a IND-STL flight. David
172 BHMNONREV : Loses all service, in fact it will eliminate all NS service to IND period as WN has not served the market in several years, IIRC..
173 UAL747DEN : I guess STL is dead! You cant really call it anything other than a regular station with only 35 departures per day. Here in DEN we see 22ish a day and
174 LipeGIG : Good news, AA is trying to get the advantages of the markets where it's already a strong player to build up even more. At the same time, downsize wher
175 FutureUScapt : Can't speak for the other routes, but it looks as if ORD-PEK will begin on May 1, 2010. AA has applied for a short extension to its dormancy waiver fo
176 Avek00 : I think some folks here have it bass ackwards -- AA's moves are, at best, a lukewarm response to the Delta merger and CO/UA partnership. If I was Delt
177 Transpac787 : By what scale do you measure success?? AA's international RASM and yields are always higher than DL - quarter after quarter, year after year. It seem
178 SANFan : Ahhh, and the good news for SAN from our friends at AA just keeps on coming... (I'm breathlessly waiting to hear about all these new routes out of MI
179 Ckfred : But the Embrears will all coach. Other than the TWA planes, the last time AA bought a large amount of planes from another carrier was back in the 80s
180 Lfutia : I talked to one of the gate supervisors on the employee bus today and she said that AA isnt taking over the L side and that AA said that they can do
181 SANFan : Cockpit announcement soon to be heard on a VX A-320?: "Ladies and gentlemen, we will be landing at O'Hare airport soon..." bb
182 Lono : ORD-ANC year round service???
183 LDVAviation : Launching USA-Africa services is innovative? What's innovative about sending a plane to another destination? Indeed, from a certain point of view, it
184 MAH4546 : Always one to have a grudge against AA. Was your AA flight delayed a few hours once? Remember that AA remains the only U.S. airline to offer a lie-fl
185 CRJ900 : I assume that the existing AE CR7s can have the NG cabin put in when the aircraft go in for a D-check and the interiors are ripped out anyway, then a
186 Avek00 : Of course it is innovative! And the kicker is, AA's network -- in particular, the MIA hub -- would give certain Africa flying a stronger O&D base tha
187 Us330 : The one flight people shouldn't go crazy over is ORD-HNL--it was only ended in January of 2009, so it is more of a resumption of service than actually
188 Commavia : You got the two choices wrong. It's not incompetence - some of the guys running AA are actually incredibly smart - and it's not naive. It's conservat
189 Fleet Service : How does one go through life looking at the world through Delta tinged lenses? It always amazes me how many people that don't work in the business lat
190 Ckfred : That makes sense, but then, why are AC/UA flying RJs, considering that YYC is a large hub for AC? What will be interesting, come winter is Eagle havi
191 FWAERJ : Or it could be JetBlue, "Jetting To More Places From O'Hare"...
192 WorldTraveler : yes, they have. but NW did not have the network mass that DL does.... AA and DL compete for the same types of corporate contracts; NW wasn't in that
193 DocLightning : That's interesting. They went RR for their 777's. Wouldn't that give them better commonality? wait, help me out. Suppose I live in...say...FAR. I nee
194 ItalianFlyer : Does AAnyone know the fate of the handful of STL based F/A's? I assume that the base will be closed...anything offical?
195 PVD757 : Do you think there is any chance at all for MIA-PVD? PVD has plenty of ethnic diversity to feed the MIA southbound network.
196 Ckfred : It would be interesting to know how much of the route and fleet adjustment is due to actions being taken by other carriers, and how much this is desig
197 Cubsrule : St Louis media has reported that the crew base will remain open. I'm not sure why that would upset ORD pilots; I've had MIA and NYC pilots and f/as o
198 Post contains links Flyinryan99 : Well...Eagle pilots are already pissed off they are getting "screwed" by Chautauqua coming in and adding more flights. I guess they want their cake a
199 Cubsrule : Connection flying is down dramatically (close to 50%) year over year.
200 Commavia : Uh, this allegedly vaunted Delta network in the Upper Midwest is entirely Northwest. Delta had even less presence in the Upper Midwest before the mer
201 Ckfred : AA has been letting STL pilots bid on ORD trips, that start and end at ORD. A friend of mine was a 757/767 F/O out of ORD, and he was flying with STL
202 Cubsrule : It sounds like AA needs to build its trips differently, then. Certainly, there are all kinds of non-STL pilots flying trips involving STL...
203 LMP737 : My jaw hit the floor when I read that. Up until now when AA has had a choice of engines they went with RR. They must have gotten one heck of a deal.
204 Ckfred : That would appear to be the easy solution. I think the problem was with the 757/767 lines, and not the MD-80s. Between STL and ORD, they had the righ
205 Cubsrule : With an increased need to route STL passengers over ORD and DTW, that might change.
206 LAXdude1023 : I assume you mean DFW not DTW. Unless AA aquired DTW and I missed the memo.
207 Cubsrule : Freudian slip...
208 Geg2rap : On our local newspaper site, several people have said AA used to serve RAP years ago, I don't think this is true, but wanted to ask the experts first,
209 Avek00 : It's also gotten/getting them: 1. A declining presence, on a market share basis, in the NYC market as more aggressive competitors expand or fortify t
210 Jetlanta : It's still moving forward. I spoke a to partner at ARUP, the firm managing the DL JFK project last week. The same firm is doing the CTB. Incidentally
211 Cubsrule : Let me get this argument straight... 1) ATL's O&D numbers to Africa have increased and will increase with nonstop service 2) MIA lacks nonstop servic
212 Lono : Bummer I think the fact that AA has a state of the art new terminal in JFK is a response that DL and their 1960's terminal can't match. We always hea
213 FilLPA : Wow!!!! Is there so much demand for MAD-NYC ???? At some point of the year there are a lot of flights!! EWR x 2 Daily (CO) JFK x 2 Daily (IB) JFK x 1
214 Jetlanta : ATL-Africa O&D numbers were better to start with and have only gotten better. First-mover advantage applies here as well. If MIA-Africa were an open
215 Cubsrule : Yeah, I do know how hubs work. But let's imagine that all the demand to Africa comes from Chicago and New York (obviously, that's false). If that wer
216 Jetlanta : Perhaps, but that is where the first mover advantage comes into play. And these markets a rarely big enough for multiple carriers. So AA would have t
217 Tommy767 : The thing about Africa and the MIA hub is it won't happen anytime soon. AA is a super conservative airline and is maxing out their 763/777 on the car
218 DeltaL1011man : I agree AA could/should/may fly all of these but IMO the 787-9 would be better for them. And this is why i see no need for the 77L in AAs fleet. Aren
219 MAH4546 : I think we will see AA in South Africa with the 787s, but nothing more. Albeit they could probably make a killing flying to Lagos. True. But MIA will
220 Cubsrule : MIA-South Africa isn't much riskier (if any riskier) now than was ATL-South Africa when Delta started it. No. All CR7 (and CR9) windows are "higher"
221 MAH4546 : MIA-South Africa isn't risky at all, but with a 772ER its a lost cause. The plane isn't equipped to handle the route properly, and AA needs to be at
222 KcrwFlyer : DL's connecting network from ATL dwarfs AA in MIA...period.
223 MAH4546 : Irrelevant for connecting to many niche international markets. MIA and ATL have service to all the necessary markets.
224 Yellowtail : Yeah CPT is working really well.....
225 Jetlanta : It is. Simply because a U.S. carrier is now well-established in the market. Delta did not face that. Not risky "at all"? Come on, there is certainly
226 Airbazar : I have to believe that the market is a lot bigger than you think. Just look at the number of daily non-stops from Europe to SA vs. the number of dail
227 OA412 : And that proves what exactly? Are you saying that because CPT was pulled that the remaining ATL-Africa routes are not working well? What purpose does
228 SESGDL : I don't think listing one market shows that they're not doing well in Africa. Jeremy
229 OA412 : Why can't demand possibly be that lopsided? Europe is closer to Africa and there are plenty of historical ties between Europe and South Africa. Addit
230 SATexan : First of all, Great News for AA ! This is definately a step in the right direction. Launching flights into a region known for political instability, e
231 MAH4546 : Well beyond that, AA is the only U.S. carrier with a uniform business product. US Airways new Envoy product looks really, really nice. But is it of a
232 OA412 : Would you, in all honesty, be saying the same thing if the situation were reversed and it was AA that moved first into Africa? Regardless, laugh all
233 Jetlanta : Call it what you will. It's significantly more profitable, on average, than the rest of the more "established" markets. Well that is positive thinkin
234 AirNz : You've certainly a strange viewpoint if you're trying to tell me these are the only major airline markets in the world! Indeed, other than being the
235 MAH4546 : Do you really think AA would bother with an F product if it was mainly upgrades? Whatever the figure is, the fact is that the number of paid F seats
236 LAXdude1023 : Well it is the 4th largest Metopolitan area in the United States, the Fastest growing metropolitan area in the United States, a major center for the
237 Jetlanta : I'd bet you that right now AA is thinking they'd be better off without the F cabin. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they've taken a hard look at
238 AA1818 : I understand what you're saying but at the same time, you cannot compare the US-based carriers premium offering to the European or Asian carriers. In
239 MAH4546 : In this market, yes, I agree they'd be better off without it. But in 2012 or 2013? No, I don't agree, I think F will pick up strong. Though surely AA
240 TAN FLYR : I took a quick look in June/july 2010...no extra 4x week FAT-DFW flight as we had this last summer...While it was sort of added at the last minuite t
241 MAH4546 : I have no idea if that flight is returning, but the schedules have not been uploaded to reflect any changes, and won't be for a few weeks.
242 SATexan : I absolutely have no problem in DL launching any route. My only problem is when DL fans start holding those routes as benchmarks of innovation. The r
243 CrAAzy : Don't forget HAV too
244 Sflaflight : Argh! All this expansion and still no MIA-MXP/BCN bread winner. What is going on AA???? Where are they? You'll loose these to the competition soon!
245 MAH4546 : Why on earth would either route launch during the summer?
246 Sflaflight : Cause I read in the OPs article that the changes were effective end of 2009 which would be winter. I know, I know, I'm STILL wishful thinking. Still f
247 STT757 : Yes they do, the entire 737-700, 737-800, 737-900, 737-900ER and 757-300 fleet is getting Live Tv. That's in conjunction with the AVOD in their 757-2
248 MAH4546 : Not part of the announcement, but also coming in the summer will be a lot of shifting of mainline and Eagle routes. Eagle will takeover some mainline
249 USAirALB : Yes..but I can't see AA only flying to MIA from ALB..they would have to restart ORD first. I know for a fact that AA WILL return to ALB. The question
250 RB211 : I wish they would bring back the ORD flights to MOB & PNS. However I'm looking forward to April when PNS gets the two Eagle flights to MIA. Hopefully
251 USAirALB : The problem is AAs lack of 80 seater aircraft and that stupid pilot clause. With it...AA could not only restart ALB/PVD-ORD but also start ALB/PVD/BU
252 BigGSFO : BDL-LAX in an 80 seater? That'll be one long flight. Bring back ORD-PDX please.
253 MAH4546 : The 2-class CR7s are fine for those routes. 22 more CR7s will start arriving in June 2010, and these are new aircraft for expansion, not replacement.
254 BigGSFO : With expansion they'll need to recall pilots, attendants etc. How many Eagle crew are on furlough ?
255 USAirALB : Sure...AC does YYZ-SEA on a 190 You think ALB and PVD will come back?
256 Post contains links Jambrain : re AA 787 selects GEnx As PM predicted way back in 2006 in AA, Delta, And United's Engine Choice (by 1337Delta764 Sep 24 2006 in Civil Aviation) Money
257 DeltaL1011man : ah ok. Not to change the subject here but this "stupid" clause is what keeps jobs for mainline pilots so they don't all end up like YX. A virtual air
258 Commavia : Well, as you said, not to get too off topic, but it's not really that simple. It's not as straightforward as AA just being able to add them if they w
259 CrAAzy : Just throwing a few possible routes out there for your thoughts. I would imgine some of those reconfigured CR7s would be used on the following: 1. key
260 DeltaL1011man : I'm not sure what AA pilots are asking for. Do they have a 100 seater in there contract? I disagree. DL,US and CO all have 100 seaters. (DL DC9, US E
261 Post contains links Commavia : Been there, tried that. The CEO of the company worked without pay for several years - not just one - after 9/11 and it got them nowhere. Not like we
262 DeltaL1011man : I would have to find it again because i would hate to put out bad info but IIRc the CA rates where 125/hr on the E90. (for Delta) treu Didn't know th
263 CrAAzy : While I'd love to see AA bring a 100-120 seat aircraft into the mix, it seems that AA doesn't want to buy them until enough pilots retire and/or AA i
264 Jfk777 : IF Miami were such a great hub for Africa Royal Air Maroc, EgyptAir or Nigeria Airways would ahve flown to Miami in teh last 30 years. SAA was and is
265 AEroc : Maybe this was already asked but I could not find it.....does anyone know when these will be loaded? Im interested in ORD-ANC, specifically the times
266 Jetlanta : So well that they moved it to the unproven ATL route. Yep...what a goldmine that was.
267 LAXdude1023 : Ohh...dont play dumb Jetlanta. You know why they moved it to Atlanta. It wasnt because MIA was such a bad route, but rather because they had a partne
268 MAH4546 : Actually, it was a goldmine. After the service moved to Atlanta due to switching codeshare partners from AA to DL, there was so much uproar among the
269 Flyboy1108 : CO runs EWR-MAD-EWR with RR 757's every day...this wont be an issue. Sounds like AA has become to STL what US is to PIT...I used to live out near PIT
270 Jetlanta : Actually, it wasn't a goldmine. SAA wanted to switch the codeshare from AA to DL precisely because MIA and the AA partnership were not working for th
271 MAH4546 : It clearly worked well enough to go from 1 flight a week to daily in a very short time, and it had such a strong local component that the Cape Town-A
272 Post contains links ManuCH : This thread has gathered a lot of replies and is now being locked. Please continue discussion here: AMR: Major Fleet/Route Announcement - Part 2 (by M
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