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FedEx Or UPS/Which Is Larger?  
User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 18140 times:

I was wondering, as far as air operations go, who has a larger operation, FedEx or UPS? I know of two hubs for each one, FedEx has IND and MEM. UPS has SDF and ANC. Are there any other hubs besides those? Which one has a bigger fleet? Which has more profitable routes or do they kinda mimic each other as far as destinations go?


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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 18131 times:

You can find lists of their numerous hubs in such places as wikipedia. I believe FedEx has a bigger air fleet while UPS has a bigger ground fleet

User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 18122 times:
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UPS has 209 aircraft and FedEx has 357

User currently offlineAS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17923 times:

AFAIK doesn't UPS consider ONT a hub as well? I know it's the only other domestic gateway from ANC besides SDF

User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1647 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17921 times:



Quoting N471WN (Reply 2):
UPS has 209 aircraft and FedEx has 357

Actually FedEx FLEET TOTAL 366
TOTAL A/C
727 80
DC10 5
MD11 58
AIRBUS 136
MD10-30 13
MD10-10 61
757 13

as of 9-14-09



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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17867 times:

Scheduled freight tonne-kilometers flown in 2008.

FX 15,122 (millions)
5X 10,977 (millions)

BTW: FX has over 650 a/c in service.

Hubs:

FX - MEM, IND, EWR, ANC, OAK, AFW, MIA, CDG, & CAN.

I also believe CGN comes online in 2010.

UPS - SDF, ONT, PHL, DFW, RFD, CAE, BDL, MIA, ANC, & CGN.

Opening a HUB in SZX in 2010 for China Ops.



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User currently offlineTofen From Sweden, joined Feb 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17849 times:



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 5):
BTW: FX has over 650 a/c in service.

But isn't half of that Caravans?


User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 87
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17842 times:



Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 4):

We own all the C208s (258 of them). They are included in the fleet; contract out the labor.

We own 23 757s; 14 in service.

ANC AFW EWR LAX OAK GSO IND MIA CGN CAN CDG YYZ are all hubs.


User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17835 times:



Quoting Tofen (Reply 6):
But isn't half of that Caravans?

FedEx Feeder is the branding applied to all FedEx Express propeller aircraft which feed packages to and from airports served by larger jet aircraft.

Doesn't matter still fly's for the FX flag...



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User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 87
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17812 times:

$180 million 1Q profit

Not bad, given the economy.

Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 8):
FedEx Feeder is the branding applied to all FedEx Express propeller aircraft which feed packages to and from airports served by larger jet aircraft.

Exactly; all major market analysts include the feeder operations when ranking airlines by size relative to total frames.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17440 times:

I didn't know FX considered MIA a hub. I just glanced at Flytecomm status for all MIA arrives and it only shows 2 flights for FX at MIA... one from MEM and one from FLL. Grant it, I'm only looking at one day, but I would think if its a hub, there would be more flights then that.

User currently offlineUPS Pilot From United States of America, joined May 1999, 871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16976 times:

UPS will deliver a sustantial amount of air packages thru the ground network, never seeing a plane at all. They do not own any feeder aircraft, they are subcontractors. Overall UPS is a larger company all around and more efficient.

User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 16894 times:



Quoting UPS Pilot (Reply 11):
Overall UPS is a larger company all around and more efficient.

Horses for Courses, maybe in a domestic US scenario but outside US UPS are nowhere close to DHL, TNT or FedEx in terms of size or service.



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User currently offlineTofen From Sweden, joined Feb 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 16749 times:



Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 12):
Horses for Courses, maybe in a domestic US scenario but outside US UPS are nowhere close to DHL, TNT or FedEx in terms of size or service.

I don't think you can say that DHL, TNT and FedEx is bigger than UPS "outside of US" as a general note.
I know we are talking totals now, but the airfreight should at least give an indication. If you look at international scheduled freight tonne-kilometers flown, UPS has over 5000. Sure FedEx is bigger with 6500, but DHL or TNT isn't even in the top 10 airlines (http://www.iata.org/ps/publications/wats-freight-km.htm). I know DHL use many different airlines to move there freight, but I still doubt they would pass UPS if you combine them.

I'm sure they all have markets where they are bigger/smaller than there competitors.
Where I'm form (Scandinavia), I seem to see more UPS trucks than I do FedEx or TNT. But hey, that might just be me.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 16734 times:

Sort of off topic here, I know TNT is huge in Europe, but I have never seen them in the US... who does TNT use in the US to deliver packages?

User currently offlineCaptSkibi From United States of America, joined May 2004, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 16687 times:

I read in a newspaper article a while back, I'm not sure if it was the local paper or USA Today, but 85% of UPS packages are transported wholly by ground, while 85% of FedEx packages are transported by air.

GRR has FX A310s and C208s, but I don't believe we have any UPS planes.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2436 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 16650 times:



Quoting Tofen (Reply 13):
I don't think you can say that DHL, TNT and FedEx is bigger than UPS "outside of US" as a general note.
I know we are talking totals now, but the airfreight should at least give an indication. If you look at international scheduled freight tonne-kilometers flown, UPS has over 5000. Sure FedEx is bigger with 6500, but DHL or TNT isn't even in the top 10 airlines (http://www.iata.org/ps/publications/wats-freight-km.htm). I know DHL use many different airlines to move there freight, but I still doubt they would pass UPS if you combine them.

I know it's sort of an appled to oranges comparison, but FWIW, DHL is is larger than Fed-Ex and UPS combined when it comes to worldwide volumes. But as you say, we have a different busniess model than 5X and FX


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 11143 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 16626 times:



Quoting Fxramper (Reply 7):
ANC AFW EWR LAX OAK GSO IND MIA CGN CAN CDG YYZ are all hubs.

Question: how do the above hubs rank in terms of size (I guess flights/day or tonnes/day, etc.)?

MEM is obviously #1, probably followed by - I'm guessing - IND, GSO ...

Just curious.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 87
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 16578 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 17):
Question: how do the above hubs rank in terms of size (I guess flights/day or tonnes/day, etc.)?

Do you want movements? Weight moved? etc?

MEM IND EWR ANC LAX CAN CDG AFW OAK YYZ MIA GSO

Look for GSO to grow 200% next year despite the economy. AFW and OAK took a terrible hit in movements.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 16556 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 18):
Look for GSO to grow 200% next year despite the economy. AFW and OAK took a terrible hit in movements.

Yeah, what is the deal with AFW... was it supposed to grow? When I look at the flight trackers even during peak season it only seems to have about a dozen flights a day.


User currently offlineDw9115 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 16482 times:

UPS uses larger aircraft typically and then put it on ground equipment don't they and FedEx does smaller multiple planes then puts it on things like the caravans right. I know in FSD UPS brings a 767 in then puts the outlying packages on trucks while FedEx uses several 727's and then puts a lot of the packages on caravans then out to delivery.

User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 16227 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 18):
Look for GSO to grow 200% next year despite the economy.

- Why the growth there (out of curiousity)?

David



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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 16184 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 22):
- Why the growth there (out of curiousity)?

New Hub opened in June this year and I believe FX still claims GSO as a their Mid-Atlantic hub. Hub at full capacity employees 1,500. With economy picking up possible they are going to ramp up ops there. Current employment is right at 200.



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3712 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 16106 times:
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Quoting Tofen (Reply 13):
I know DHL use many different airlines to move there freight, but I still doubt they would pass UPS if you combine them.

If you count only aircraft owned (directly and indirectly), I think DHL ends up far off. If you include all aircraft operating for DHL (not network-neutral services), a few years back, it was well over 400 aircraft. With DHL abandoning the express domestic market in the US, I would guess it is closer to 300 now.

Quoting UPS Pilot (Reply 11):
UPS will deliver a sustantial amount of air packages thru the ground network, never seeing a plane at all.

UPS is a trucking company that flies planes. FedEx is an airline with trucks.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8756 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 16093 times:



Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 12):
Horses for Courses, maybe in a domestic US scenario but outside US UPS are nowhere close to DHL, TNT or FedEx in terms of size or service

you should see their operations at CGN, quite impressive, plus they have an extensive road network in Germany, at least here they are much bigger than FX

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 24):
UPS is a trucking company that flies planes. FedEx is an airline with trucks.

I could not have phrased it better.



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25 MSYtristar : By no means a hub for FX, MSY nonetheless has been seeing a vast increase in shipments month over month, and they dominate UPS at the airport. Year to
26 PanHAM : you should verify those numbers and put the comma where it belongs.
27 UPS Pilot : Numbers do not reflect actuals. Outbound shipments from MSY can be reached next day via truck to the rest of the state, MS, and parts of AL. 2 Day vi
28 Swissy : Even if you remove above, DHL would still be bigger than Fedex & UPS.... worldwide, in regard of why DHL never made it in the US.... well I guess you
29 Hondah35 : Both carriers have to use small feeder aircraft in certain geographies since that is the only way to reach a good portion of the country on a next-da
30 Hondah35 : Pricing is zone-based. It is impossible for a route to be "profitable". And yes, since they both offer nationwide service, they both serve the exact
31 413x3 : I disagree with this completely. You can't call them better run companies just because UPS and Fedex have been in the business in the states for so l
32 Skyway1 : I work on the DGO side for FX and IMO our biggest disadvantage currently is the separate operations of our Ground and Express segments. I'm strictly
33 Flighty : Great saying. They are better optimized for United States operations. DHL might be equally smart (or maybe not), but either way, they would not succe
34 Skyway1 : Oh I agree intigration will never happen. Just from a customer standpoint it's a bit confusing at times. I have to identify myself as Express all eve
35 FXramper : AFW took a pounding, right after OAK did. OAK still has the ANC and Asia/Pac deal. AFW saw some 20 managers get displaced along with multiple flights
36 Syncmaster : That is correct, UPS has a focus city if you will in LAN and feed packages via air or gorund accordingly to the surrounding sort facilities. FedEx do
37 Rfields5421 : Nope - 650+ aircraft for FDX is mainline jets. The Caravans, the ATR's and F-27's would come close to doubling that number if all are in operation. W
38 Browntailwhale : My paycheck DWARFS a same longevity FedEx pilots paycheck. That's what really matters! 4a2b.
39 Mls515 : UPS also has a little hub in DSM. Flights from CID, SDF, GEG, MHR, BUR, & EWR. Flights to CID, SDF, GEG, MHR, BUR, & PHL. All widebody except Sacrame
40 Browntailwhale : UPS' systemwide average revenue per pound is $10/lb.
41 777STL : I'm not sure if that's supposed to a be a slam on UPS or not, but delivering packages by ground while still maintaining service levels is incredibly
42 PanHAM : They are both integrators, not airlines. Their business is primarily to move letters and small parcels door-to.door. Internationally, free space on sc
43 Justloveplanes : On rechecking overall revenue information from hoovers.com (Dun and Bradstreet operation), the figures come in for total sales as: 1) DHL $76 Billion
44 MSYtristar : I did. I took those from the MSY July stats page.
45 PanHAM : I specifically said that these are the rankings of FX and US Air. Source Air Transport World, July 2009, World Airline report 2008. Your figures for
46 Boeingfever777 : FX started as an airline for shipping therefore its an airline with trucks. In 1970, Smith purchased the controlling interest in an aircraft maintena
47 B777LRF : DHL owns, wholly or partially, more than 15 airlines, has controlling interests in another 2 and is in a 50/50 JV with LCAG for yet another airline. O
48 PanHAM : I work in the logistics business, in our circles we call that an integrator. That stands for the fact that FX picks up the shipments (with trucks) fl
49 BlueFlyer : It's a slam if you consider that a trucking company is intrinsically worth less than an airline. Personally, I don't, I think it just reflects the di
50 PanHAM : happens daily, ask BNSF, UPS trains are the hottest on the line. We are takin about the airlines here and it has shown that the airline portions of U
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