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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

Part two continues here.  Smile


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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

All information I have! Big grin

http://i32.tinypic.com/334khdy.png

Makfax it's down!
At least it was when I tried...
http://www.makfax.com.mk/

Fatmir



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User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5834 times:
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Quoting Flycro:

Since when did Germanwings fly to remote airports. Silly comment really.

Berlin is a notable exception and is one of the few routes where you have a realistic alternative to OU (an irony, given Germanwings' LH roots). But Cologne is not a major tourist trap for people from these parts, but more of a transit station if going toward Frankfurt, Hamburg, Dusseldorf or other places if the price is right. So it does qualify as an airport remote from major places of interest.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2741 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5822 times:
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How often will they operate the flights to SKP? What are the time and the price for the flight?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27231 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5818 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 3):
How often will they operate the flights to SKP? What are the time and the price for the flight?

01OCT ...4.67 TGD SKP 1800 1845 YM 390 100
22SEP 27SEP ...4.67 TGD SKP 1800 1845 YM 390 100
19SEP 19SEP .....6. TGD SKP 1800 1845 YM 390 100
20SEP 20SEP ......7 TGD SKP 1800 1845 YM 390 100
21SEP 21SEP 1...... TGD SKP 1800 1845 YM 390 100
29SEP .2..... TGD SKP 1915 2000 YM 390 100

20SEP 1.3.... SKP TGD 0650 0730 YM 391 100
28SEP 1.3.... SKP TGD 0650 0730 YM 391 100
21SEP 21SEP 1...... SKP TGD 0650 0730 YM 391 100
19SEP ....5.. SKP TGD 0755 0840 YM 391 100
18SEP ....5.. SKP TGD 0755 0840 YM 391 100
22SEP 22SEP .2..... SKP TGD 0830 0920 YM 391 100
21SEP ......7 SKP TGD 0955 1040 YM 391 100
20SEP 20SEP ......7 SKP TGD 0955 1040 YM 391 100


They have a Promo fare at the moment for €9 plus taxes of €78.50 TTL. €87.50 Return.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2741 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5813 times:
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Wow so they really want to compete with the other airlines for the pax...
I really wonder what' going to happen in the end!


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5806 times:

The link works now.
http://www.makfax.com.mk/en-Us/Details.aspx?itemID=9030

YM is following the same strategy as they did with PRN.



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User currently offlineTk747 From Australia, joined Sep 2009, 341 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

WOW thats a really cheap ticket to SKP. I was thinking why wouldn't people just catch the bus but with that price of fare I can definitely see people flying.

User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5693 times:

Pristina Airport reports €7.6 mln net profit for January - August period.

The link it's available only in Albanian!
http://bit.ly/ivui1

[Edited 2009-09-18 16:38:30]


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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5586 times:

ZAG new projects.
http://bit.ly/17Oi5C

Happy Eid to all Muslims.  Smile

Fatmir



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User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5573 times:
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Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 9):
ZAG new projects.

About two-three years ago, I've talked about this with the man who designed most of modern ZAG and was involved in some aspects of the Master Plan (he was a professor at my university). He told me that the second runway was rather unrealistic, for not only would you have to level a lot of ground and buildings, but you'd also have a major problem with the runway of the nearby ZTZ Mx facility, as well as Buševec airfield a little further away (which would then end up right in the ZAG CTR). Apart from these problems, the approach to the hypothetical RWY 05R would be made right above the center of the town of Velika Gorica at very low altitude, which wouldn't be very popular with the health and safety people...

EDIT: despite the fact that the 05R/23L would be offset to the northeast by about a kilometer or so.

[Edited 2009-09-20 06:24:33]

EDIT 2: here're some visuals to illustrate the problem. I'm not entirely sure of the exact offset of the second runway to the northeast (this is from memory, I'm trying to find the textbook in which I have that plan), but it's round about 2-3 km.

Big version: Width: 1280 Height: 1024 File size: 382kb


[Edited 2009-09-20 06:56:05]


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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5553 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 1):

Nice to see more internal ex-Yu flights!

Now Skopje has flights to all ex Yu republics.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2741 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5538 times:
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How far is ZAG from the city?
Well it's a question if any of this will come true, we are talking about the Balkans here. They are all big on words and well small on actions...


User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5515 times:
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Quoting JU068 (Reply 12):
How far is ZAG from the city?

From the strict city center it's about 10-11 km as the crow flies. The outlying places considered to be in "the city of Zagreb" start at less than a kilometer or so away.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 12):
Well it's a question if any of this will come true, we are talking about the Balkans here. They are all big on words and well small on actions...

There is that element to be true... but hopefully the "threat" of other growing airports in the vicinity such as BEG and LJU will accelerate things a bit.



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User currently offlinePutnik From Brazil, joined Aug 2007, 229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5481 times:



Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 13):
but hopefully the "threat" of other growing airports in the vicinity such as BEG and LJU will accelerate things a bit

I was wondering about ZAG future prospects for a while now. I was under impression that every passenger connecting in ZAG (or LJU for that matter) is in a way "stolen" from VIE or MUC. In addition to that, both OU and JP are Star Alliance members and even though that may be good for connectivity on their largest markets, it surely is not helping their respective hubs grow as an independent connecting points. VIE and MUC seem to be just too close.

From what I gather even BUD has issues, being too close to VIE which on the other hand has a fair share of trouble because of the ever growing MUC nearby. Would the market warrant ZAG and/or LJU to grow to anywhere near the size of VIE or even BUD?

LH & Friends are in a brilliant position and cover the region thoroughly, yet the regional airports may be in a slightly different situation.

BEG may end up being in a slightly better position by being further away from the MUC-VIE couple but not significantly and even that relies a lot on future developments in JU.



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User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5456 times:

Let’s forget about a second runway at Zagreb. Even if or when (20 years away) Zagreb handles 10 million passengers annually, this could still be felicitated by just one runway when metrological conditions are not an issue. As far as I know they are not at Zagreb. If Zagreb 'wants to build a second runway then the best solution would be to place it parallel to the existing runway then turn the old runway into its taxi way.

A new terminal is needed! Zagreb will most probably have 5 million passengers in about 10 years annually that is if it continues its current growth trend. The new terminal should be a priority for Zagreb.


Also, the cost of the previous proposed terminal was not as expensive as was made out in the media when compared to simular size projects around the world and also when you consider the new project also included the new ramp, car park shopping complex, hotel, new roads and tunnels connecting all this together.



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User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5432 times:
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Quoting Putnik (Reply 14):
I was wondering about ZAG future prospects for a while now. I was under impression that every passenger connecting in ZAG (or LJU for that matter) is in a way "stolen" from VIE or MUC. In addition to that, both OU and JP are Star Alliance members and even though that may be good for connectivity on their largest markets, it surely is not helping their respective hubs grow as an independent connecting points. VIE and MUC seem to be just too close.

For flights toward Western Europe and other continents, that may not even be an issue. All carriers that operate from ZAG, MUC, VIE and LJU, are under the LH "umbrella" in some way. The main competition is, I believe, BEG, with its services to other, non-Western European destinations. If you look at the route map from ZAG, you'll see a vast void to anywhere NOT in the West, a gap that BEG seems to be covering pretty nicely. ZAG was (at least as far as the media here was concerned) poised to become the hub connecting continental Europe with the south and south east (especially the Balkans), a role now taken up by BEG and BUD - since ZAG management, chosen as is the norm by politics rather than capability, let the opportunity slide.

Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 15):
Let’s forget about a second runway at Zagreb. Even if or when (20 years away) Zagreb handles 10 million passengers annually, this could still be felicitated by just one runway when metrological conditions are not an issue. As far as I know they are not at Zagreb. If Zagreb 'wants to build a second runway then the best solution would be to place it parallel to the existing runway then turn the old runway into its taxi way.

Adding the second runway and turning the old one into a taxiway would just be throwing money away without achieving any gain. The current runway - with its parallel taxiway - is perfectly adequate from a technical standpoint; the second runway was primarily intended to alleviate (predicted) congestion, rather than improve on the existing one.

However, it is not unlikely that the single runway could create operational problems if passenger numbers increase - though this may be the case more with airline planning than runway capacity. Currently the flow of traffic into ZAG is very uneven throughout the day, with peak periods in the early morning (arrivals) and late evening (departures), with aircraft departing or arriving every 5 minutes. At 6 AM you can have up to 20-30 airline movements per hour... but at mid day, this can drop to almost 2-3. If this flow could be streamlined, then the single runway could (probably) cater for the increased traffic... but it's a big if, given that each airline has it's own schedule which does not revolve around ZAG.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2741 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5409 times:
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If BEG or SOF don't need a second runway then why would ZAG need one? I think it's a waste of money, money that could be used on something far more useful!

I don't know how many of you read, but apparently JU is joining SkyTeam. If this is true, I can say that I am proud that they didn't chose Star Alliance as there are too many airlines in the Balkan from that alliance.
JU will then become the first Sky Team airline in the Balkans and second in Eastern Europe, or third if you count Russia as well.
Does this mean we could expect more frequencies to SkyTeam hubs? And how will this affect JU's codeshare with Star Alliance members most importantly LH and OS?


User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5399 times:
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Quoting JU068 (Reply 17):
If BEG or SOF don't need a second runway then why would ZAG need one? I think it's a waste of money, money that could be used on something far more useful!

A much simpler and cheaper solution to increasing capacity at ZAG would be to add a couple of rapid exit taxiways. The sooner an aircraft vacates the runway - at higher speed - the sooner it will be free for the next aircraft on approach (as part of a seminar work at university, I ran this idea - underdeveloped as it could be, given that it was just an enthusiastic student doing it - by that professor I mentioned and he said that these taxiways were actually planned to be one of the first steps in the old Master Plan).



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2741 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5396 times:
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How many do they have now, and how many are needed?
And does it cost a lot? I mean it doesn't seem to me, so they could make it a high priority...
What is the lagest aircraft operating into ZAG and by which airline? A321?


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5393 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 17):
I don't know how many of you read, but apparently JU is joining SkyTeam. If this is true, I can say that I am proud that they didn't chose Star Alliance as there are too many airlines in the Balkan from that alliance.

JU was negotiating with SkyTeam many times in the past few years regarding the possible accession into this alliance, but talks got nowhere. I believe that the entry requirements prescribed were unattainable for JU at that time. I highly doubt they are in a better situation today.

Joining an alliance, from JU's perspective, should happen much later IMHO; they should first get the fleet sorted out, maximize network potential, improve their public image and onboard product, improve their financial strength and standing and thus get themselves into shape for being an attractive partner for any alliance. All this is a lot of hard work away, from today's perspective.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2741 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5386 times:
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If we take what the new CEO has said so far, and let's hope that he is the one to stay, then I think JU will first join an alliance and then purchase new planes.
In my opinion JU should hurry with it's Sky Team membership as let's not forget that RO is also heading that direction and so is OA. So in my opinion the faster the better.
JU does need new planes that is true, but in stead of retiering the old ones they should be introducing new ones to expand their operations, primarily regional jets so as to cover the whole Balkan region. And anyway the B733's JU has, most of them are ok on the inside.
Another very important thing is the customer service on which JU should concentrate and improve it.

Joining SkyTeam is not a bad idea as they are sponsored by AF/KLM, so why not have them help us in the restructuring, and if interested later on, they can purchse JU altogether...


User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5383 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 19):
What is the lagest aircraft operating into ZAG and by which airline? A321?

I've seen 757s there for football charters, but the largest aircraft they get 'regularly' is the A321 from Turkish Airlines and this is only rarely during peak seasons.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2741 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5378 times:
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What about LH and OS? During the busy period we have LH, OS, LX and TK that send their 321. Didn;t LH also send their Airbus 300-600 a few times? That plane was amazing, loved flying it  Sad

User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5377 times:
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Quoting JU068 (Reply 19):
How many do they have now, and how many are needed?
And does it cost a lot? I mean it doesn't seem to me, so they could make it a high priority...
What is the lagest aircraft operating into ZAG and by which airline? A321?

Five standard, perpendicular to the runway (A, B, C, D, E) + the parallel taxiway (F). Given the other options, rapid exit taxiways are the simplest and cheapest and require the least change in the general infrastructure - and I believe two-three would be enough. Why weren't they already made? Good question. Politics, lack of cash, no pressing need just yet? Who knows...

In scheduled operations, I think the largest is the Aeroflot Tu-154, followed by the bulk of the A and B short-haul fleet (A319, A320, B733, B738). Apart from these, we do get some large visitors, mostly an occasional tourist charter (Air China and JAL 747s) and the odd military troop transport (USAF KC-10, CAF CC-150 Polaris, RAF VC-10 and various chartered civil heavies such as the 757 and 767).



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25 Post contains images TripleDelta : The normal TK aircraft used on the (daily?) flight to Istanbul is a 738... probably the most modern thing flying into ZAG . EDIT: Malaysian used to
26 JU068 : Pardon my ignorance but I just got more confused lol What is the difference between the standard and the fast one that you have proposed? Ah I was jus
27 TripleDelta : "Normal" taxiways are perpendicular to the runway, that is at an angle of 90 degrees. Rapid exit taxiways are usually at a smaller angle, say 30-45 d
28 JU068 : Ah I see now, and I fully agree with you! Logically it shouldn't cost that much to adapt or add those ones, so they should start with that. If the pro
29 TripleDelta : BEG has one, third on the right when landing on RWY 12. LJU as well (an even better example), on RWY 31. SOF has two, as does OTP on RWY 8L... and th
30 AlexEU : Deda mraz? What???? Another thing I didn´t knew. When was that??
31 Post contains links and images TripleDelta : Round the end of the 90s ('97). The route was KUL-VIE-ZAG, but I think they stopped it in 2002 or so (not sure of the year, maybe 2003). View Large V
32 JU068 : WoW didn't know BEG had them, I am flying there in two days I will pay attention to it, thanks a lot. It seems to me ZAG is really behind when compare
33 TripleDelta : Precisely the reason ZAG is NOT a regional leader. The only constructive things done in the past 10 years were the new ATC center (and it really is s
34 JU068 : Well what is the main purpose of TK's flights to ZAG? O&D or transit passengers to Asia and other destinations. And ATH, maybe there is no demand, or
35 TripleDelta : Every time I went to Greece, I've flown on a JP charter out of LJU... except for Malta, I don't think I ever took an OU flight south... Things could
36 JU068 : Cool then, let's hope for the best and for some improvment!
37 Mig21UMD : I have a funny feeling things will change here very soon. I regular visit Croatia and the progress being seen from an 'out sider' is very rapid. What
38 TripleDelta : If anything, bureaucracy is on the increase. I've never before had to file and complete so much paperwork to get anything at all done. More and more
39 TripleDelta : Just to further back my post up, a recent study by the WEF saw Croatia drop from 61st to 72nd place in competitiveness, right down to the level of Vi
40 AlexEU : Again strange situation as there is not a demand between Croatia and Malaysia, unless you count transit pax to Australia. Looks like MH is the only l
41 TripleDelta : As far as I know, no. Only expansion toward Western Europe. Bol does have regular flights, I think three times a week to ZAG during the tourist seaso
42 JU068 : What has he done in Dubrovnik? I know in general, but I would like to know in more details. And why do you think he had more success in Dubrovnik? Is
43 Post contains links Mig21umd : Ha ha, I had a feeling you would not agree with me here TripleDelta. The fact the Croatia has dropped in the WEF ranking does not prove or mean Croat
44 Flycro : When part of Yugoslavia did Losinj, Bol, Maribor or Portoroz ever have regular fights from JAT or Adria? What about other small airports like Mostar,
45 JU068 : But the fact that there are more airlines in Dubrovnik could be related to it being a tourist destination...
46 TripleDelta : What else does it mean if not that we're going backwards? If everybody is advancing up and Croatia falling behind, that doesn't really sound very enc
47 Flycro : Was it a Portoroz-Belgrade link? In the old days were places like Skopje and Sarajevo linked with places like London and Frankfurt or was it all chane
48 Mig21UMD : From what I have heard up until now, Zagreb has not been very low cost carrier friendly. Remember Wizz Air had there eye on Zagreb and wanted to use
49 JU068 : When is Croatia going to open it's skies? When did they sign the agreement?
50 TripleDelta : An inept government seeking only personal wealth and pleasing various lobbies and the mafia has been the continuing problem in Croatia long before th
51 AlexEU : You keep writting LOS, which is Lagos Airport! IATA Code for Losinj airport is LSZ. I am not sure 100% about Skopje and Sarajevo, although many fligh
52 Mig21UMD : What about width? I notice the runways in the region are not as wide as other airports which handle larger aircraft on a more regular basis. Could thi
53 Adriaticflight : Considering no airport in the former Yugoslavia recieves 'regular' widebody flights except the Croatian coastal airports (Pula/Split/Dubrovnik) it se
54 FatmirJusufi : Santa Claus? Wow...Great to know that! I think it is. TK has daily flights at PRN as well and during this summer peak season had until 9 flights per
55 TripleDelta : Oooops... I keep thinking of Losinj's LOS NDB . Comes to mind easier than LSZ. Runway width is not really an issue at ZAG. The current one is 45 mete
56 OA260 : Was there not a DBV-JFK with DC-10 ? Or something similar. Sure miss those DC-10's, the good old days.
57 DHR : The planned new runway in ZAG is just that, a future plan that may be realised in about 20 years. All the recent media hype has confused the plan beca
58 Post contains images TripleDelta : So that means 2110   . Getting ambitious there, 4 km and 60 meters... for all the A380s that we're going to be getting soon... EDIT: but then again
59 Post contains links JU068 : Hey there.... Here is the link for the trip report for my flight yesterday from Larnaca to Belgrade. Hopefully you ll enjoy it! Jat Airways JU-095 Lar
60 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Aeromak to launch its flights? MAT Macedonian Airlines has now officially been left without a single aircraft after the Macedonian Civil Aviation Dire
61 OA260 : Loved that report , best JAT report Ive seen. What a mess they made of that. Total disaster case.
62 Kiqaboy : It is very interesting with MAT history, they could have kept the company in very profitable condition, but i do not know were the problem is? They ha
63 FatmirJusufi : Welcome back Kiqa. Yep. They're allowed to fly PRN but as you know the last aircraft has been removed. It is really an unclear situation what is going
64 Mig21UMD : Croatia Airlines offering flights to most of its European destinations, including London, Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Zurich for just 99 euro's. This inc
65 JU068 : Isn't it a bit early to start the prmotion? Does it mean their numbers are going down, or just fighting the competition?
66 OA260 : They have an excellent offer ex LHR also booked in L class for only €82 all in incl taxes.
67 Tk747 : God what a a total mess MAT is and a real shame that Macedonia doesn't have a national airline, I think its the only country in Europe not too?
68 JU068 : @OA260 Damn that is so cheap! I remember last year when JU had a sale, actually two sales, the first time the LCA flight was 107 euros and the second
69 OA260 : Yes certainly is. My neighbour is just back from a really interesting vacation. They flew JAT LHR-BEG then rented a car and drove through Serbia, Bos
70 JU068 : LoL yeah? I think that an average ticket price on the LHR-BEG route is about 250 euros, which is not cheap by any means What did she like about it so
71 OA260 : She just said it was a nice airport which I agree with. Is the Aviation Museum still there with the Caravelle parked?? Its been too long since I was
72 Aleksandar : I'd love to see JAT in any of three major alliances, but I am afraid that at least for two they are late: Star Alliance (already has OU and JP) and S
73 AlexEU : What did she say about FYROM and Albania? if not a secret... Yeah, it´s still there! Museum could have been much better if they used full capacities
74 Aleksandar : Well, actually it would be really a plus for JAT. Big boys want someone to feed their planes....
75 Z3JJ : well Hello, My first post after a long time just being reader. Used to live and work at SKP and from my point of view things are not good there. The p
76 Putnik : I also had an impression that BEG was not that modern. I soon got to realize that BEG terminal actually is totally contemporary. It may not be as mod
77 FatmirJusufi : Well the visa regime is not the main problem at all. Kosovo is one of the most isolated (or even the most isolated) country in the Europe and we're s
78 Kiqaboy : SKP was killed by PRN from the moment PRN started to operate in 1999 after the war, it happend cause all the emigrants before the war flew to SKP, i h
79 FatmirJusufi : I didn't know about Ecuador and Haiti.
80 AlexEU : How do you guys travel to countries where they don´t recognize your passport? If an airline wants to start flying to PRN which authorities should th
81 Post contains images JU068 : The fact that PRN receives so many low-cost is due to it's location, as it's close to SKP and TIA, and also due to a big number of Albanians living ab
82 Kiqaboy : Alex UNMIK is History now, we have our own civil aviation authority caa-ks.org, so here you have all the info about PRN. About the flight museum, do y
83 OA260 : Great pics. Love that Caravelle. There is one parked at SKG too. Would be great if they restored it and you could see inside. Are there seats inside?
84 Aleksandar : Why don't you create account at Photobucket? Unfortunately, condition of that beauty is deteriorating. There is almost no interior at all and some 50
85 Putnik : To clarify... we are not talking about new airport control tower. The building in question is to house the new regional air traffic control center.
86 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Germania suffers a bird strike, performing a flight from DUS to PRN. http://bit.ly/3xrEVg
87 Kiqaboy : WOW that could have ended in a tragedy, hope the crew managed to land the plane safe without no injuries, BTW this pic lock outstanding were these sho
88 FatmirJusufi : Err... maybe! Let me check if someone posted already a pic.
89 AlexEU : No, it´s ok to buy the ticket when you are there, and the prices are not high. I have a free entrance because of my (ex) studies
90 JU068 : Yeah I guess I ll just make it there, much simpler. But I fear I ll have to do it tomorrow as I am pretty much dead Does anyone know anything about th
91 Post contains links Mig21UMD : Breaking News: Jat Tehnika on strike! ALL JATs flights this morning CANCELLED! http://www.airport-belgrade.co.yu/pa...engers/flights/departures.122.ht
92 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : It was already discussed on this previous thread JAT Airplanes Don’t Fly (by Kiqaboy Sep 29 2009 in Civil Aviation) Anyway here's the sources http:
93 Post contains links and images FatmirJusufi : Oops! Looking through the current situation at BEG! I wonder what is going to happen with the PAX?!
94 Mig21UMD : Why does OU not fly to Belgrade! It is times like this when OU could really steel JAT passengers who I'm sure by now have had enough.
95 TripleDelta : Because the governments of both Serbia and Croatia, as well as various ministers within them, can't find a common language. Several abortive attempts
96 TIA : It's not location. And if anything, proximity to other airports would reduce the appeal of airlines to fly to PRN. I'm sure there is some leakage fro
97 OA260 : Isnt the new motorway supposed to reduce time to three hours and cutting 65km off the trip?
98 FatmirJusufi : The new highway has been finished almost 95% on the Albanian part. The other part that is supposed to link Kosovo with that highway is going to start
99 FatmirJusufi : Yeah, TIA is right. Rather we do have pax using PRN instead SKP or TGD than TIA. Personally, I didn't notice any of pax that took a flight to PRN the
100 DHR : They have found a common language and finally signed an air bilateral agreement over the summer period. It's now up to the respective governments to
101 TripleDelta : Hopefully that will finally go through, but I must admit I find myself holding my breath until it happens. Given that various reversals have been see
102 OA260 : Have the recent issues put Albanians off from travelling to FYROM?
103 JoKeR : They have found a common language - a shortsighted, self-centered, non market-oriented language to painfully slowly resolve publicly demanded and nec
104 FatmirJusufi : What do you mean? Putting them off travelling via FYROM as a transit way to Kosovo?! What's the recent news about JU? Is strike still continuing?!
105 Post contains links OA260 : Yes there has been some heated unrest. http://www.airport-belgrade.co.yu/putnici/letovi/dolasci.51.html
106 FatmirJusufi : Has been yet reported any 'turmoil' at BEG caused by pax?
107 Kiwiandrew : I have to admit that I am really confused . Some news reports indicate that it is a strike ie the maintenance workers are refusing to service JU airc
108 OA260 : Dont know but I wouldnt like to be the JAT ground staff dealing with them lol...
109 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : I do think that STRIKE seems to be the right version. Checkout the latest news http://exyuaviation.blogspot.com/
110 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Just seen in blogspot The CEO of Jat Tehnika has announced that the strike will most probably end by this evening after talks were held with the gover
111 JU068 : If Dubrovnik was an issue, how come Pula has been successfully operated untill now? And if JP really does start flights to Belgrade, what would be the
112 DHR : Pula operated on the basis of a Diplomatic Note, so any further expansion of services would only be allowed under a new air bilateral agreement.
113 JU068 : And is the frequency also limited? And I suppose that winter flights are not allowed as well? I read that during the strike, most of the airlines have
114 Post contains links JoKeR : Haha, gotta love this, Wizz gets its back... http://wizzair.com/promo/JAT_Rescue_Plan/
115 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : At least strike of JU technicians ends! Jat Tehnika has ended its 3 day strike which grounded the entire fleet of Jat Airways and caused a lot of ange
116 Vlada : Have you ever been to CDG? Try that for the attitude of customs/border police officers Vlada
117 Post contains images FatmirJusufi : OU announced its winter schedule 09/10. Notice three destinations suspended and some other minor changes.
118 DHR : Tel Aviv was always a seasonal service, but the BCN and GOT services were pretty much short lived. Typical CTN.
119 AlexEU : What about Tel Aviv - Dubrovnik?
120 TripleDelta : At least IB is doing the Barcelona run, during the summer at any rate...
121 FatmirJusufi : What a/c they're flying mostly to ZAG?
122 Putnik : I really don't see the point here. I have experienced CDG border police and some other, even worse. Why should I compare BEG to them? I have witnesse
123 Putnik : JAT 737 on a flight JU420 went off runway in IST. Aircraft is reported to be stuck in mud and has sustained minor damage. Return flight JU421 is label
124 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Source http://bit.ly/3ypI5g What do you think - what caused that? It is said airplane had damages!
125 Vlada : I didn't say that anybody is better because someone else is worse. I just don't think staff at BEG is all that bad and grumpy. BEG is my home airport
126 OA260 : Its been a while since I was in BEG sadly but for a few years I was a regular and have to say I never had bad experiences. The only issue was the bad
127 Vlada : Yes, taxi drivers at BEG are a nightmare in majority of cases, but there seams to be a slight movement forward with taxi assotiations offering on-cal
128 Vlada : Does anyone have any news regarding the overrun incident in Istanbul? Any reasons?
129 FatmirJusufi : It seems it's because due to rainy weather and sloppy rwy. Otherwise we have to wait until an official statement is released.
130 Vlada : I've just read on another forum that there might be some issues with pavement of IST rwy 6/24, since it seams that this is not the first incident of
131 Putnik : I share your point of view at probably greater length than it may be concluded from my words here. Similarly, I never liked people smiling insincerel
132 Vlada : I have had a similar experiance to your's with a "passport stamper"; I've very politely said "excuse me?", and the attitude changed instantly... To m
133 Vlada : From an earlier thread: WING from Turkey wrote: The following is a copy of the a post I placed to thread "Onur 321 Goes Off Runway 24 In IST "26th of
134 TripleDelta : A319 as far as I've been able to dig up. Nothing remotely exotic .
135 FatmirJusufi : It is said another A300 (Ariana Afghan) overrun on this rwy before!
136 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : There it is http://bit.ly/48BAC7
137 DHR : Also seasonal and part of the ZAG services. ZAG services were via DBV in most cases.
138 Vlada : Yes, that was on March 23rd, 2007. Also, a Dniproavia ERJ 145 overrun that same rwy on March 23rd, 2009.
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