747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1779 posts, RR: 11 Posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8391 times:
Latest news, according several Dutch newspapers.
All four (4) 747-400ERF aircraft operated by KLM cargo will be operated by MP.
MP will take over all cargo operations from KLM.
Michael Wisbrun, chief of KLM Cargo will give more details next week.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7763 posts, RR: 26 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8357 times:
The all cargo aircraft of both KL and AF will go to Martinair.
What AFKL does here is nothing else but repeating what LH has done in 1993 with the formation of Lufthansa Cargo AG. I have no information yet if the go all the way and have Martnair also marketing the belly capacities of AFKL, which would be a logical step, The biggest obstacles would be to make it clear that MP is AFKL. Should not be so difficult since cargo is mainly distributed through freight forwarders and not retailed by the airline itself.
This will go together with a drastic reduction in the workforce, alone 1500 jobs will be axed at AF.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1779 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8202 times:
This 747 was already far ahead with integrating MP and AFKL Cargo.
Leased from KL (06 June 2003 until 29 December 2006) and operated by MP, now operated (presently stored) with Southern Air as N748SA.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1779 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6443 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1): I believe that both the KL and the AF 744 freighter fleets will go to Martinair - will try to find the link I saw that mentioned this
LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1880 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 6271 times:
According to the rumors, AF-KLM is currently looking at:
* Establishing Martinair as the cargo branch for AF-KLM, including the cargo planes and routes from AF and KLM.
* Martinair will cease passenger flights from summer season 2010. Those flights will mainly be taken over by KLM and Transavia. Some destinations will be axed.
* There are also rumors to create one commuter branch, so merging AF Regional and KLM Cityhopper into the CityJet brand.
Pellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1845 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6257 times:
I know this is not likely to happen, but it would be nice to see a sweet tri-airline livery (AF/KL/MP) on the 744s. Something like the old Star Alliance livery where they painted sections of what 6-7 airlines on one airframe.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7763 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6225 times:
This move makes only sense when Martinair markets the bellie capacities of both AFKL and as well. Plus, they must merge the GSA actuvities of Skyteam cargo. Lufthansa Cargo and their affiliates offer a doable blueprint for this,
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1779 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6177 times:
Some questions :
- How many cargo aircraft are operating at the moment for AF,KL and MP?
- How many are stored in the desert ?
- How many KL (AF) combi's are actual operating in combi configuration (7 pallet main deck).
- Is the 747-combi concept still valid in the present economic situation, or is it even preferred with low cargo volumes.
Talked about it in a meeting with Martinair execs just a few weeks ago. Can't go into the specifics as it was a meeting between my company and Martinair Cargo.
Also, the plan is at the unions (ondernemingsraad) for advise as it means that staff is to be moved to either KLM, Transavia or out of the company.
Val747 From France, joined Aug 2009, 51 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5665 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1): I believe that both the KL and the AF 744 freighter fleets will go to Martinair - will try to find the link I saw that mentioned this
Hi everyone,
AF is currently using 7 freighter, one beiing in China (Xianmeng) for check and apparently won't come back any time soon. and an other one is going out of the fleet for the winter, so it will only make 5 a/c, 3 744ERF, one two 777F. they will be used for routes with high demand and for west african routes.AF will use mainly pax a/c for the freight from now on.
KL will still use their combi (17 if i'm not mistaken), and the rest will go to MP (7MD11, 2747, plus the 2 KL747).
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 9): I know this is not likely to happen, but it would be nice to see a sweet tri-airline livery (AF/KL/MP) on the 744s.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1779 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5565 times:
According the fleet-listing of http://www.airlinerlist.com I count the following aircraft available for the AF/KL/MP combination.
AF:
5x B747-428ERF active
3x B747-428BCF stored
2x B777-28F active
2x B747-228F stored
KL:
2x B747-406ERF active
17x B747-406M active
MP:
2x B747-406ERF active (leased from KL)
4x B747-412BCF stored
7x MD11F active
Quoting Val747 (Reply 15): AF is currently using 7 freighter, one beiing in China (Xianmeng) for check and apparently won't come back any time soon. and an other one is going out of the fleet for the winter, so it will only make 5 a/c, 3 744ERF, one two 777F. they will be used for routes with high demand and for west african routes.AF will use mainly pax a/c for the freight from now on.
So if I understand correctly : One 747-428ERF will go out of the fleet or are you speaking about the XMN converted BCF-freighters ? Will all go to MP or will some stay with AF?
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9069 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4837 times:
Even though the move of MP turning into an all-cargo airline doesn't sound that far fetched I would like to see a official press release by AF/KL about this before saying it will happen prematurely.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21464 posts, RR: 24 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4514 times:
Quoting Euclid (Reply 22): Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 9):
Something like the old Star Alliance livery where they painted sections of what 6-7 airlines on one airframe.
Any photos of this anywhere? Would love to see that.
413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4510 times:
That is my favorite livery of all time
25 747classic: What will happen with these four (4) 747-412BCF aircraft, on long term lease from Guggenheim Aviation Partners? All (PH-MPP,MPQ,MPR and MPS) are prese
26 A388: Getting the GE-powered 744ERF's from KL Cargo actually "disrupts" the engine commonality as MP Cargo with their fleet currently is all-PW (744BCF's &
27 76er: Day to day ops with the BCF was already done by KLM Maintenance, so changing things over to the GE powered ERF just made things simpler.
28 Euclid: Thanks Viscount. In hindsight, I should probably never have seen that. Does not look good, but that's my humble opinion, of course.
29 76er: Interesting article today in Cargonews Asia: http://www.cargonewsasia.com/secured/article.aspx?id=15&article=20782
30 FCKC: Pretty sure both 777-F28s will not go to MP , and will try fo find a new home elsewhere.
31 413X3: I am sure Fedex would jump all over those 777 freighters. And I wonder if UPS would go for the -400BCFs?
32 747classic: Do you mean the three (3) stored 747-428BCF freighters of AF (CF6 powered), that would make sense. The four (4) 747-412BCF (MP) freighters are PW pow
33 413x3: Doesn't UPS have some PW powered airplanes? I am sure they can train the technicians to service those too
34 FX1816: Yeah they do, some 752's and MD11's, but it might be kind of costly to add just a couple of 744 BCF's to the fleet with PW power. FX1816
35 747classic: It's not just training the technicians, when adding a new airframe engine combination to your existing fleet. You have to update all your documentati
36 413x3: Thanks for that info. it seems UPS grabs all the 747s they can and adds them to the fleet, while all that costs extra maybe they find it worthwhile in
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