Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3591 posts, RR: 5 Posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12806 times:
According to media reports quoting an internal LH newsletter, Lufthansa will accelerate the removal of 45 of its 50 to 70 seat regional aircraft currently operated by subsidiaries Cityline and Eurowings.
The two currently have a combined fleet of 36 CanRJ200s and 22 CanRJ700, so at least some of the fairly new CanRJ700s will face the axe in addition to the CRJ200s that have been slated for removal from the fleet for some time now.
If I have my data correct, it means that only a very small fleet of aircraft with less than 90 seats will remain with the German operation of Lufthansa group: (probably) 15 CRJ700 at Cityline, 10 Q400 at Augsburg Airways and a handful of ATRs with Contactair. Not sure what this will mean for some of Lufthansa's thinner routes from airports such as DUS, HAM and TXL from where the CRJ200s are mainly operated on international routes by-passing the hubs at FRA and MUC. Probably not all will be able to sustain 90seaters. e.g. those from DUS to Eastern European destinations.
No timeline for the removal has been given by Lufthansa other than it will be accelerated and that it is part of the current cost-cutting programme that will be fully implemented in 2009/2010.
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12720 times:
Interesting, but not really surprising. Having been at DUS a couple of time recently, I was surprised by the large number of small jets operated by LH, compared to (for example) AB using the same airport.
I think in many cases, CR2 and CR7 flights can be replaced by larger aircraft operating lower frequencies. To several routes, from DUS, LH operated high frequencies, which are probably not absolutely necessary for O&D traffic. Some examples:
(in addition to that CR2 also operate some of the daily rotations to LEJ, MXP, PRG etc.)
I am not sure if most of those routes will be able to sustain a CR9 with the same frequency or survive a less than daily / non day-return option-style operation - particularly with airberlin /easyJet increasing pressure by adding BIO, KRK, BSL as destinations soon.
Sketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1772 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12115 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 13): I assume that there must be a reason for it operating from DUS rather than FRA or MUC. Is there a large DUS based corporate client that has major business interests in NCL ?
I know Newcastle School of Business works closely with some businesses in DUS but I dont think LH would base their business on this.
Proctor and Gamble have a large workforce in Newcastle so i dont know if they also have factories/offices in or around DUS
Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3591 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12091 times:
It was inherited by Lufthansa from NCL-based Gill Airways and Eurowings. Gill built up the route slowly in the 1990s. At one point Gill co-operated with Eurowings (they also did NCL-HAM for a short time), so it came under the Lufthansa umbrella after Gill went bancrupt and Eurowings aligned itself with Lufthansa and left the KLM/AF group (that had a franchise agreement with Gill).
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10453 posts, RR: 20 Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11747 times:
Quoting Vfw614 (Thread starter): The two currently have a combined fleet of 36 CanRJ200s and 22 CanRJ700, so at least some of the fairly new CanRJ700s will face the axe in addition to the CRJ200s that have been slated for removal from the fleet for some time now.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21465 posts, RR: 24 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8261 times:
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 9): I can't get used to the outdated IATA naming scheme still popular on a.net, which the rest of the world has replaced by ICAOs decades ago, sorry.
Unless you're involved in airliine flight operations or ATC, far more people are familiar with 3-letter IATA codes than 4-letter ICAO codes since IATA codes are used for reservations/ticketing and on baggage tags. Most people never see the ICAO codes.
AMS/NRT/DEL are much easier for most people to identify as being Amsterdam, Tokyo Narita, and Delhi, than if they were to see EHAM/RJAA/VIDP where I would guess at least 95% of A.net users would have to look them up. Three letters is also more concise and easier to remember than four. Far more IATA codes can also be guessed due to their similarity to the city or airport name than the cryptic ICAO codes.
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2079 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7114 times:
Quoting Planemaker (Reply 20): Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 16):
Are the CRJ700s leased, so that LH can simply return them when the lease period is over?
LH bought them... and for a very good price!
Ah, then they might be stuck with them for a while. Well, they can remove a galley and the front lav and add 4 more seats, to make them more economical. 22 aircraft x 4 seats = 88 more revenue seats x all current flights = nice bit of extra revenue