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DL And The E70  
User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 819 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4183 times:
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Hello all,

I noticed in DL's schedule that our station here at SDF is gaining some E70 service. We currently get an E70 each night from the MEM, MSP and DTW stations. SDF has an E70 maintenance base here.

Starting in October DL seems to be removing the MEM E70, keeping the DTW and MSP E70 but also adding 3 SDF-ATL E70 segments, which I love.

So, my question revolves around how many E70 aircraft DL/NW have and are they currently acquiring more? DId other stations lose their E70 service? Is SDF getting the additional segments because of the maintenance base here?

Thanks,
John

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User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4177 times:



Quoting UPSMD11 (Thread starter):
Starting in October DL seems to be removing the MEM E70, keeping the DTW and MSP E70 but also adding 3 SDF-ATL E70 segments, which I love.

I see you will have 2 E175's in October to ATL, but no E170's.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

The DL fleet has 52 76-seat E-175's.
There are no E-170's, all are 170's

16 are operated by Shuttle America, and several are operated on the DL Shuttle on LGA-DCA
36 are operated by Compass

DL is not getting any more 175's for the time being, they have no more on order, the last ones were the remainder of the NW/Compass order that were delivered last year.

You are seeing two things - rebalancing the combined NW/DL network across the hubs, adjusting capacity to match demand, and it is very typical to see frequency and aircraft changes from month to month.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3878 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
and it is very typical to see frequency and aircraft changes from month to month.

NW has historically been more adept at making aircraft changes month to month than most other carriers, including DL. I expect people will see more of that on legacy DL routes as NW and DL become more integrated.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3461 times:



Quoting UPSMD11 (Thread starter):
So, my question revolves around how many E70 aircraft DL/NW have and are they currently acquiring more?

they have 52. They will not be getting more unless they want them to be at mainline.

Quoting UPSMD11 (Thread starter):
Is SDF getting the additional segments because of the maintenance base here?

Does CP have a MX base in SDF? IIRC S5/RW does but i don't believe CP does. Not sure who does there MX though.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
There are no E-170's, all are 170's

i assume you mean 175s?



yep.
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3407 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):

Does CP have a MX base in SDF? IIRC S5/RW does but i don't believe CP does. Not sure who does there MX though.

Yes, both do.

Compass opened a new facility at SDF in 2007 for the E-175 fleet.

S5/RW took over what was the old TZ maintenance facility in SDF. However I don't know if they work on the 170/175's there or not. I thought most of that was done in IND, CHM, and PIT.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):

i assume you mean 175s?

Ha, yep. I get a little ahead of myself in typing sometimes.

That said, what is the story with the original single-class E-170's that S5 operated for DL. I forgot why they were removed from the fleet since I wasn't exactly paying attention to DL at the time. Anyone with the original E-170 history feel free to chime in. I flew them a few times on DTW-SLC back in 2005.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):

they have 52. They will not be getting more unless they want them to be at mainline.

Nope. Nor do they really need anymore 76-seaters for the time being. They need that 90-100 seater, but that is for another thread.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3399 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
However I don't know if they work on the 170/175's there or not. I thought most of that was done in IND, CHM, and PIT.

When RW had the F9 contract, they were working on the F9 aircraft at SDF (and crewing them through SDF, IIRC).



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3322 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
I forgot why they were removed from the fleet since I wasn't exactly paying attention to DL at the time. Anyone with the original E-170 history feel free to chime in. I flew them a few times on DTW-SLC back in 2005.

Because they got the 75s. IIRC they were going to be moved to UA or F9.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
Yes, both do.

Compass opened a new facility at SDF in 2007 for the E-175 fleet.

Ah ok.....does CP do all the MX on the aircraft or?



yep.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3304 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):
Because they got the 75s. IIRC they were going to be moved to UA or F9.

...but those 170s were two class, weren't they? I flew a 2 class 170 MDW-ATL in 2007.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3299 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
...but those 170s were two class, weren't they? I flew a 2 class 170 MDW-ATL in 2007.

I thought so but i never got to fly one so i couldn't tell you for sure.



yep.
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3271 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9):



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):

http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...raft_types_layout/erj170/index.jsp
seat map says it was 2 class. I believe it was S5 that wanted them pulled because UA(?) who was getting them had all 170s.



yep.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Well... since Delta now owns Northwest and through that Compass Airlines and the fact that Compass has a base in SDF..and those aircraft are currently being repainted into Delta colors you already have E170 service.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):
Ah ok.....does CP do all the MX on the aircraft or?

No they do not....the heavy maintenance is outsourced....and for a while all of the maintenance was outsourced. I think they took the day to day maintenance in-house a few months back.

CZ built its own new hangar in SDF

[Edited 2009-09-18 20:01:50]


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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3232 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
That said, what is the story with the original single-class E-170's that S5 operated for DL. I forgot why they were removed from the fleet since I wasn't exactly paying attention to DL at the time. Anyone with the original E-170 history feel free to chime in. I flew them a few times on DTW-SLC back in 2005.

822MD, It was actually a "loaner" from the Republic certificate. At the time we had no spares. We do now, the "blue tails".



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):
i assume you mean 175s?

There are still two 170s flying in DL colors. Originally those were to be replaced as the 175s came on line. The 170s were then repainted in UA colors. DL agreed to keep two extras flying in exchange for removing the 135s from the CHQ certificate. Those two aircraft leave this month and I have no idea where they're going.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
When RW had the F9 contract, they were working on the F9 aircraft at SDF (and crewing them through SDF, IIRC).

SDF has never been a crew base for Republic. DEN was a base for F9 and flying was done mostly out of that base. When the F9 contract was ended, the DEN base closed.



DMI
User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Since when does Compass have a crew base in SDF. AFAIK they only have MSP,MEM and DTW. At RP we have had SDF for a long time. And the Hangar that we use is a new building.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2596 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 5):
I thought most of that was done in IND, CHM, and PIT.

CMH seems to get their fair share of the 170s/175s for MX.



Let's Kick the Tires & Light the Fires!!
User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2406 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):

Ah ok.....does CP do all the MX on the aircraft or?



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 11):
o they do not....the heavy maintenance is outsourced....and for a while all of the maintenance was outsourced. I think they took the day to day maintenance in-house a few months back.

Compass is now doing the heavy checks in SDF however the hub mx (EG MSP, DTW and MEM) is still outsourced I believe.

They have performed a couple of engine swaps down thier on thier own too. Nice facility, been in it a few times

The DL operation in SDF is a tragic mess at the gate. 7 flights in the morning leaving within 20 minuets of each other with three gates. 4 flights actually leave at the same time last time I was there a month ago.



Long Live Memphis!
User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2325 times:



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 14):

CMH seems to get their fair share of the 170s/175s for MX.

They do, but it's mostly Republic. The bulk of S5's mx is done in IND.



DMI
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2316 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 15):
Compass is now doing the heavy checks in SDF

You might want to re-check your facts...... Embraer Nashville is contracted to perform the heavy checks...



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2268 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 17):
You might want to re-check your facts...... Embraer Nashville is contracted to perform the heavy checks...

Ah yes. You are correct. I knew I was always late from BNA too...

'Its on the way from the hanger'...

I hate to get off topic, but does anyone know how good the dispatch reliability with E175's is compared to the CR9?



Long Live Memphis!
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