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SkyWest: No Personal Items In Seat Pocket  
User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8838 times:

On several recent SkyWest flights, One from BOI-DEN, one from SLC-GTF, one from BIS-SLC, I noticed that the flight attendandt(s) in their pre-flight announcements stated that FAA regulations prohibit any personal items being placed in the Seatback pocket. I have not heard this on other airlines, but recently read the following article concerning this, and I guess it is an FAA regulation--at least for SkyWest, and beleive me they do enforce it, as I watched the flight attendants acost quite a few passengers on each of the flights.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/08/business/08road.html

[Edited 2009-09-20 07:03:50]

[Edited 2009-09-20 07:11:44]

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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

I heard that too, but on only one flight. I wonder why it's a SkyWest regulation and not an other carriers'?


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

ExpressJet will seemingly randomly (I can think of 3 flights out of a few dozen in the past couple years) announce that "You are no longer permitted to store laptop computers in the seatback pocket. Laptop computers must be stowed under the seat infront of you or in an overhead bin" -- which has made sense to me; seat pockets aren't really designed for storing anything of mass and if there was an incident it could get ugly if, for example, a laptop came flying out of the pocket and whacked someone in the head.

Other items mildly annoy me but I don't see the harm in, say, reading glasses.

Lincoln



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User currently offline146Crew From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

It's FAA guidance. Since seat back pockets are not placarded with weight limitations and not considered to an approved stowage location (i.e. Overhead bins, Underneath seat) personal items can not be stowed in them for taxi, takeoff and landing. Only company material such as magazine, safety card, sick bag can be placed in them. I have heard a lot of announcements on various airlines regarding the placement of laptop computers not being allowed to placed in there.

Some passengers place laptops and purses in them and the seat pocket is not rated for those items. If they are having passengers remove the magazines they brought on board, I think that is being a little nit picky. A safety issue exists when heavy items and bags are placed in them especially laptops for take-off and landing. Good judgment should always prevail.



Cross check complete.
User currently offline146Crew From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8754 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 2):
if there was an incident it could get ugly if, for example, a laptop came flying out of the pocket and whacked someone in the head.

Exactly. Under emergency landing loads it could present negative implications.



Cross check complete.
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8590 times:

Quoting 146Crew (Reply 3):

There was an article about this in the New York Times by the same author of the article in the thread starter about a month ago:

Seatbacks in Position and Empty, Please

I can definitely agree about folks overstuffing the seatback pockets with personal items, but to limit things to airline issued items is a bit much. Is putting a copy of a newspaper or the latest issue of People or Time really that much of an issue? I can understand if someone was putting the latest issue of one of those catalog-sized bridal or fashion magazines (Those things are a bit heavy.) or their portable DVD player, iPod/MP3 player or laptop/netbook. The only things I normally put in the pocket are my headphones, maybe a book or magazine, or the pack of snack mix I bought on the flight.

Considering how the seat pitch is on some flights, you end up pulling your personal bag from under your seat with your feet. This can be a pain at times, so this is why folks tend to put the stuff they're most likely to need during the flight in that seatback pocket.

From the way it sounds, this guidance is more or less going to be followed on the flights of the various Express/Connection carriers than on the mainline flights, as from the above linked article:

Quote:
Several major carriers said that they knew nothing about this and had no immediate plans to enforce it.

“The seatbacks are absolutely there to be used for personal items,” said Robin Urbanski, a spokeswoman for United Airlines — which was the airline of record for the flight I took, though it was operated by SkyWest, and the ticket was purchased on US Airways.

The a/c typically operated by airlines like SkyWest do not have the amount of overhead and underseat storage space as the a/c operated by their mainline partners/parents. This is why folks have to check their carry-on bags planeside, and in some cases, personal items may be limited onboard as well.

You almost begin to wonder if airlines will start doing like Ryanair does and do away with the seatback pockets entirely and put the relevant safety info onto the back of the seat. On these regional a/c, that may not be a bad idea.

[Edited 2009-09-20 08:08:19]

User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

Got it on Southwest in August - I still snuck my iPod in there. I guess I am supposed to just hold it in my hands as the seatbelt sign is on when they announce no electronics typically.

On the last trip (September) no mention. In fact the guy in the aisle put his laptop in the seatback pocket.


User currently offlineKLM672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2433 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8485 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 2):
ExpressJet will seemingly randomly (I can think of 3 flights out of a few dozen in the past couple years) announce that "You are no longer permitted to store laptop computers in the seatback pocket. Laptop computers must be stowed under the seat infront of you or in an overhead bin" -- which has made sense to me; seat pockets aren't really designed for storing anything of mass and if there was an incident it could get ugly if, for example, a laptop came flying out of the pocket and whacked someone in the head.

I few ExpressJet a lot in 2007-2008 and I heard that a few times but not often.


User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5419 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8396 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
I normally put in the pocket are my headphones, maybe a book or magazine, or the pack of snack mix I bought on the flight.

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My routine is to remove all the airline's crap from the seat pocket except for the safety placard and put my magazine and/or book, headphones and ipod, and cell phone there. That way it doesn't become overstuffed and, though I never intended it to be for this purpose, any attendant can't tell is has more than normal in it. I do it purely for the reason to allow space for my knees.

Tugg



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User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8196 times:

This has happened to me on OO before also, I just stay clear of all UAX because they enforce different polices than UA, which should be the same.

This is a little off subject but on a Mesa flight from COS-ORD the F/A tried to tell me that 'Airplane Mode' on my phone does not work on Mesa Airplanes, this is just another thing where they have the authority and you can not go against them with out it being a felony



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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8138 times:

Knowing the situation a little more, the issues is that the FAA issued the regulation several years ago and SkyWest in a inspection recently was issued a notice that they need to follow the regulation or be fined by the SLC FAA office. The problem with other airlines is that they report to other offices that haven't issued such strict reading of the regulation and in some cases acknowledge the regulation but clearly ignore it or refuse to issues the same warning as the SLC office. This is the problem with the way the FAA is currently setup.

User currently offlineOzark1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

This doesn't surprise me in the least. There is no consistency within the FAA. Zip zilch zero. They torment some airlines and are lax to others. Makes no sense. Pure governmental mumbo jumbo.

User currently offlineULMFlyer From Brazil, joined Sep 2006, 475 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7445 times:

This happened to me for the first time a few months ago on an ExpressJet ERJ145. But I assumed it was because I was on the exit row (12A). I thought about arguing that my Macbook Air was as thick as a magazine, but considering the difference in weight, I decided to let it go and follow the advice of storing it under the seat in front of me for takeoff and landing. The only problem is that I had then to step on it during landing, otherwise it'd end up under a seat a few rows in front of me.

Another first for me on this same flight was that when the F/A saw that I had my Bose headphones around my neck for takeoff, so I could use them when the 10 kft chime came on, she told me I wasn't allowed to wear headphones on an exit row at all, not even in cruise. Is there any reg behind this request or did she just make it up?



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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7288 times:



Quoting ULMFlyer (Reply 13):
Another first for me on this same flight was that when the F/A saw that I had my Bose headphones around my neck for takeoff, so I could use them when the 10 kft chime came on, she told me I wasn't allowed to wear headphones on an exit row at all, not even in cruise. Is there any reg behind this request or did she just make it up?

No FAR that I'm aware of, but it may be an XE policy, I doubt it though. CO mainline doesn't have this policy, and we now allow LiveTV gate-to-gate, so headphones are allowed at anytime.


User currently offlinePlainplane From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 837 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7155 times:



Quoting ULMFlyer (Reply 13):
Another first for me on this same flight was that when the F/A saw that I had my Bose headphones around my neck for takeoff, so I could use them when the 10 kft chime came on, she told me I wasn't allowed to wear headphones on an exit row at all, not even in cruise. Is there any reg behind this request or did she just make it up?

Sounds bogus to me.

If people weren't allowed to wear headphones in exit rows it ruins the whole purpose of having entertainment systems in those seats.


User currently offlineTheFLCowboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6385 times:

Northwest was a stickler for it before the DL merger. DL has recently started doing it too I noticed. They dont want laptops in the seat back pockets.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

Laptops will permanently damage the pockets over time. Especially the lighter duty seatbacks on regional aircraft. Laptops are too heavy. But a paperback/magazine+headphones+bag of candy won't. Nor will they fall out.


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User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5941 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 9):
this is just another thing where they have the authority and you can not go against them with out it being a felony

Exactly. This can go too far. I suppose, technically, if they said "take off your clothes" you'd be violating some law by not doing it. It's ridiculous. We're supposed to sit there silently, without moving, for eight hours. Overloading the seatback is one thing. But the nonsense you hear, like some described above, has gone too far.

I've heard them say various things on the planes are TSA rules. I don't believe TSA has any say about what goes on in the plane in the air. I've also heard them say phones must be off because they'll search for a signal and wear out the battery. I wonder how much of it is incorrect information and how much is an outright lie just to control passenger behavior.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5895 times:



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 13):
No FAR that I'm aware of, but it may be an XE policy, I doubt it though. CO mainline doesn't have this policy, and we now allow LiveTV gate-to-gate, so headphones are allowed at anytime.

To ULM's question: -every- XE flight over the past year for me has been in 12A or 12C. 90% of the time I'm listening to my iPod between 10k up and 10k down, albeit with the cheepie iPod headphones -- no one has ever said anything.

To NWS2002-- yeah, taking off and landing with a TV screen in front of you and audio is just a little wierd. The first LiveTV flight I was on it took me a few hours to figure out why the flight seemed particularly strange (then again, on that flight they didn't kill it for the safety demo either -- actually, they only did that for the most recent one)

Lincoln



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5684 times:



Quoting Cschleic (Reply 17):
I suppose, technically, if they said "take off your clothes" you'd be violating some law by not doing it

Nope. They'd be violating the law by asking. No law allows for abuse.

While they might be able to arrest you for failing to comply, you could then file a suit for false arrest and civil rights violations. This happens with police misconduct all the time...



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User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5575 times:



Quoting Cschleic (Reply 17):
I've heard them say various things on the planes are TSA rules. I don't believe TSA has any say about what goes on in the plane in the air. I've also heard them say phones must be off because they'll search for a signal and wear out the battery. I wonder how much of it is incorrect information and how much is an outright lie just to control passenger behavior.

It is only on the regional or express carriers that this happens to me, it seems to me like the mainline know how to train their crews in what the law actually is



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5489 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5447 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 9):
F/A tried to tell me that 'Airplane Mode' on my phone does not work on Mesa Airplanes

Ugh.... because mesa has 'special' airplanes  banghead 

Quoting ULMFlyer (Reply 12):
she told me I wasn't allowed to wear headphones on an exit row at all, not even in cruise.

I'd put them on at cruise and let her tell me again. Then 10 mins later after she told me to take them off put them on again. I could see it now....man arrested after landing at XYZ airport after wearing headphones inflight.  Wow!  banghead 


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5364 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 20):
It is only on the regional or express carriers that this happens to me, it seems to me like the mainline know how to train their crews in what the law actually is

I don't that's the issue. I think it's more of a checks-and-balance thing, in that since most regional aircraft only have 1 F/A on the flight, there's no one there to offer a differing interpretation of the rules and/or how to address the situation to passengers who are unaware/ignorant that such rules exist.

On top of that, regional aircraft more often than not are not certified for use with "airplane mode" since it's an extranious expense that the regional airlines, with their tight budgets given o them via their contracts, are not willing to pursue. The same can be said with Cat II with some carriers, and Cat III A/B/C with others.



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5121 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
Quote:
Several major carriers said that they knew nothing about this and had no immediate plans to enforce it.

“The seatbacks are absolutely there to be used for personal items,” said Robin Urbanski, a spokeswoman for United Airlines — which was the airline of record for the flight I took, though it was operated by SkyWest, and the ticket was purchased on US Airways.

The a/c typically operated by airlines like SkyWest do not have the amount of overhead and underseat storage space as the a/c operated by their mainline partners/parents. This is why folks have to check their carry-on bags planeside, and in some cases, personal items may be limited onboard as well.

This was a big deal at United for about 2 days. Robin was running around the building like she was going to kill someone trying to figure out what was going on. I guess when she got the information that this story was going to press she was told it was a UA flight and nothing more so she tried to figure out why this would happen and everyone told her that it wouldn't and shouldn't. She gave her comments based on that information and it went to press with her saying that it is in no way a UA policy and if that should happen it would be someone acting outside of our policy. Well next thing you know the Skywest policy shows up and Robin is being called a lair, which if anyone knows Robin is very very bad for EVERYONE she comes in contact with! So after lots of screaming and even more phone calls it ends up it is a Skywest thing NOT a United thing and United is working to resolve this situation.

Quoting ULMFlyer (Reply 12):
Another first for me on this same flight was that when the F/A saw that I had my Bose headphones around my neck for takeoff, so I could use them when the 10 kft chime came on, she told me I wasn't allowed to wear headphones on an exit row at all, not even in cruise. Is there any reg behind this request or did she just make it up?

I can tell you with 100% certainty this is false. The FA was completely wrong and if you have that flight information you should send an email to both CO and XE. I'm sure they would be more than happy to talk with that FA and give you some kind of comp.



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User currently offlineDLDTW1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

I have only encountered this once in the last year or so. And that was on NWA before it bacame DL. But, the F/A's did not inforce it on this flight. I can understand a laptop computer and anything else that heavy. But, books and ipods I don't understand. Some
carriers will not allow you to hold onto anything durning takeoff and landings. That was the
case 2 yrs ago on LH from Italy to FRA.

Chuck


25 YULWinterSkies : Never heard such cabin announcements, including on my recent SkyWest flight. Also, i do place some (small) items in this pocket all the time (ie -trav
26 N702ML : A couple of comments, I would like to make about this thread and the other thread that has been posted about "no airplane mode" on Mesa....(why these
27 YYZYYT : Nothing in the seat pocket would be a pain in the %&& when travelling with kids (esp. when I am in a row with 2 kids). I use the seat back pockets to
28 Brilondon : " target=_blank>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/08/bu....html Thie person who wrote the Article is an idiot. The reason for the ban is for safety. For
29 Ikramerica : When will the laptop come out of the pocket and hig anyone in the face? Takeoff? Hardly. Hard braking? Wrong direction. Turbulence? Would more easily
30 Eyeno1 : Flying YOW --> YYZ on AC yesterday, the lady beside me loudly blew her nose and then stuffed the tissue into the seat back pocket. Not the first time
31 MASTYC : The regulation has been around for a couple of years. Some airlines enforce it more rigidly than others. I know the regulation was around for about a
32 Naritaflyer : I thought I was the only one avoiding the seatback pocket at any cost. Whatever I put in there is going to the garbage next, not my briefcase. I thin
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