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AMR: Major Fleet/Route Announcement - Part 2  
User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 26704 times:
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This is part 2. Please continue discussion in this thread. The first part can be found here:

AMR: Major Fleet/Route Announcement (by Commavia Sep 17 2009 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineGeg2rap From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 26338 times:

can anyone help with my RAP question, has AA or American Eagle, ever served RAP before? If so, when, what equip?
Thanks


User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3314 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 26119 times:



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It clearly worked well enough to go from 1 flight a week to daily in a very short time, and it had such a strong local component that the Cape Town-Atlanta flights were routed via FLL until 9/11. Something was working right.

Flights were routed thru FLL because they couldn't make it to ATL nonstop on regular basis.

But your theory of stopping in only one direction makes so much more sense than mine. Because that would be great for that local O&D, as long as all the traffic was northbound only.


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2824 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 25979 times:

I wonder what this will mean for OKC? Will we see an increase in frequencies or possibly mainline to ORD? Right now OKC-STL has two ERJ-140's, 44 seats each, so OKC loses about 88 seats each way. Could this mean switching one ORD flight to a mainline a/c and keeping the rest RJ's? Or will these 88 seats completely disappear from AA at OKC?

This same question could be asked for many stations similar to OKC.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33077 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 25771 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 2):
Flights were routed thru FLL because they couldn't make it to ATL nonstop on regular basis.

Obviously. Though they were routed via Fort Lauderdale to cater to the local traffic. It was originally routed via the Cape Verde Islands.

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 2):
Because that would be great for that local O&D, as long as all the traffic was northbound only.

It was great for the local O&D, since at least on the way to Florida, they had a non-stop.



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3793 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 25742 times:

Any chance for mainline on CMH-ORD? They're sitting at 10 RJs right now, mostly ERJs (with a CR7 thrown in). UA's running nothing smaller than an E170, with a couple A319s/320s a day in there.


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User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 25342 times:



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 5):
Any chance for mainline on CMH-ORD? They're sitting at 10 RJs right now, mostly ERJs (with a CR7 thrown in). UA's running nothing smaller than an E170, with a couple A319s/320s a day in there.

Yes, I would love for some AA metal on CMHORD. Right now its 8x ERJ, 2x CR7. UA was serving that route with a 757 in the summer...

At the very least there will be a premium cabin on the route once the CR7's get the refit.


User currently offlineB595 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 25085 times:



Quoting Geg2rap (Reply 1):
can anyone help with my RAP question, has AA or American Eagle, ever served RAP before? If so, when, what equip?
Thanks

No, according to this local news story:

"This is the first time American Airlines will operate in the Dakotas, offering flights in Fargo, Sioux Falls and Rapid City."
http://www.kotatv.com/global/story.asp?s=11149503

You can also check some routemaps/timetables for American and all its former commuter affiliates (Simmons, etc.) at http://www.departedflights.com and you won't see RAP anywhere.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8437 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 24141 times:
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The difference between ATL and MIA is feed, on that count ATL clearly wins. BUT that doesn't mean a Miami to CPT flight isn't viable, wasn't viable. SAA had the resources fly only to one or the other.

When SAA started in the early 1990 to Miami it was once a week then they ramped up to twice, three times etc and finally daily. There is/was market there.


User currently offlineGustyOrange From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 24088 times:

Does anyone have any idea if we will see new European flights from ORD?

BHX and GLA have been rumoured.

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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5166 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 24030 times:



Quoting B595 (Reply 7):


No, according to this local news story:

"This is the first time American Airlines will operate in the Dakotas, offering flights in Fargo, Sioux Falls and Rapid City."

I thought they served FSD-STL after the TWA purchase.

http://www.departedflights.com/AA070201intro.html



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3888 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 23563 times:
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Quoting Geg2rap (Reply 1):
can anyone help with my RAP question, has AA or American Eagle, ever served RAP before? If so, when, what equip?
Thanks

I'm not sure American or American Eagle ever served RAP, I know DL and NW did from SLC and MSP respectively, but I just read in aa.com American Eagle will have two daily flights from Rapid City to Chicago in the Summer 2010 although only seasonal, as well as three daily flights from Sioux Falls to Chicago. They'll probably fly the route with CRJ-700 equipment.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3834 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 23435 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):
but I just read in aa.com American Eagle will have two daily flights from Rapid City to Chicago in the Summer 2010 although only seasonal, as well as three daily flights from Sioux Falls to Chicago. They'll probably fly the route with CRJ-700 equipment.

I'm thinking ERJs.......


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7702 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 22980 times:

Any thoughts on why AA decided to re-enter DFW-SAL? When it was initailly introduced it preformed worse than DFW-PTY which stuck around (albeit on a weekly basis, I cant figure out why they kept it for just a weekly flight). My thought is that they decided to re-enter because Taca downgraded DFW-SAL to an E90 and maybe AA is trying to push them out of the market. DFW has a huge Salvadorian community.


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User currently offlineJustPlaneNutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22799 times:

250 posts and no discussion about what this means for SJU? Though there are no changes at SJU in this announcement, doesn't the continued growth and connectivity of MIA spell further trouble? And, what will replace the ATR's when their wings start to fall off?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33077 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22518 times:

Quoting JustPlaneNutz (Reply 14):
Though there are no changes at SJU in this announcement, doesn't the continued growth and connectivity of MIA spell further trouble?

SJU will actually see a little growth, including resumption of Dulles and Nevis, and more frequencies to Boston, Miami and O'Hare.

Quoting JustPlaneNutz (Reply 14):
And, what will replace the ATR's when their wings start to fall off?

The ATR fleet is still fairly young. It has a lot of years left.

Quoting GustyOrange (Reply 9):
Does anyone have any idea if we will see new European flights from ORD?

A decision to launch new stations in Europe will likely not be made in the winter. There are a bunch of stations AA is looking at, but no announcement will be made until there is a clearer picture of how bookings are to Europe for summer 2010. JFK will probably be the focus point.

[Edited 2009-09-21 09:26:01]


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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22459 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 13):
Any thoughts on why AA decided to re-enter DFW-SAL? When it was initailly introduced it preformed worse than DFW-PTY which stuck around (albeit on a weekly basis, I cant figure out why they kept it for just a weekly flight). My thought is that they decided to re-enter because Taca downgraded DFW-SAL to an E90 and maybe AA is trying to push them out of the market. DFW has a huge Salvadorian community.

The alliance with TACA is history, and American sees an opportunity to expand service to Central America. American is also bringing back service to San Jose from New York, another TACA route. Kudos to American for kicking up the heat in Central America, though I am not too certain the routes, particularly JFK-SJO will perform. These routes have been tried in the past both by American and Delta and did not perform well.

Quoting JustPlaneNutz (Reply 14):
250 posts and no discussion about what this means for SJU? Though there are no changes at SJU in this announcement, doesn't the continued growth and connectivity of MIA spell further trouble?

It's interesting that San Juan (along with Boston) is not/is no longer one of the cornerstones of American's network.

Miami is growing independently of San Juan. At this point the growth we are seeing is to destinations that are not served by American out of San Juan.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
SJU will actually see a little growth, including resumption of Dulles and Nevis.

Dulles will be seasonal, though I am hoping they will make it year round in the near future.

Quoting JustPlaneNutz (Reply 14):
And, what will replace the ATR's when their wings start to fall off?

More ATRs  duck 


User currently offlineJustPlaneNutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22165 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
The ATR fleet is still fairly young. It has a lot of years left

Some are quite young, but others are turning 18 this year. Together with the fact that there are only 6 or so destinations from SJU not served from MIA, long-term it just seems to me to be a matter of time before this traffic moves to MIA. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow....


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21980 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 16):
American is also bringing back service to San Jose from New York

Is LAX-SJO still seasonal, or has that been dropped altogether?


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7702 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21706 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 16):
The alliance with TACA is history, and American sees an opportunity to expand service to Central America. American is also bringing back service to San Jose from New York, another TACA route. Kudos to American for kicking up the heat in Central America, though I am not too certain the routes, particularly JFK-SJO will perform. These routes have been tried in the past both by American and Delta and did not perform well.

I have to hand it to AA this time. They are trying to capture markets that have either failed or are struggling with other carriers. TA is hanging by a thread at DFW, but DFW-SAL is still a huge local market (bigger than MIA-in fact). Naturally MIA is much closer and more convenient for SAL bound pax that I understand why they would serve it there instead. Either way, Im happy to see AA try and add more from DFW-Central America. Certain destination there can be justified from DFW (MGA and TGU for example), but certain ones can SAL and PTY (they really need to try harder with that one). Its still a big local market and convenient for Texas, Rocky Mountain, and West Coast connections.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 21479 times:

Any route upgrades/expansions from FWA with the new 2010 schedules?

We were at 4x daily ORD/3x daily DFW, then 4x daily ORD/2x daily DFW, now 3x daily ORD/2x daily DFW. With the auto industry starting to rebound (GM is upgrading the Fort Wayne truck plant to handle Heavy Duty pickups, and the Mexican auto parts suppliers that supply Fort Wayne Assembly need to fly), we would love to see the CR7 to ORD or MD-80s to DFW!

(Eagle ground-handles G4 MD-80s at FWA, so handling AA Mad Dogs shouldn't be an issue.)

[Edited 2009-09-21 11:42:45]


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User currently offlineAAAL From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21307 times:

It looks like AA is cutting ORD-DME. So one less departure from ORD. I think they might use that plane either JFK-MAD or MAN from what I heard.

User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21086 times:

Any word on 763 flights MIA-SJU?

This is also a good time to speculate whether some of the 787s will go to Caribbean duty or if they will become flagship birds and force the 763s to take up more slack for the now departed A300s.

Is it possible we could see Bogota, Quito, and Lima from the DFW hub as well?



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7702 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 21000 times:



Quoting Moman (Reply 22):
Is it possible we could see Bogota, Quito, and Lima from the DFW hub as well?

DFW-Quito wont happen.

DFW-LIM might reappear someday, but during its final days when it was last flown it was preforming poorly.

DFW-BOG would be a good route. Of all the routes in South America, this one has the best shot of success for AA at DFW.



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User currently offlineJetBlue From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 393 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20923 times:



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 5):
Any chance for mainline on CMH-ORD? They're sitting at 10 RJs right now, mostly ERJs

CMH is an Eagle maintenance base for the Embraers, so a lot of those planes end up there for the night for mx.

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25 Cubsrule : How many planes are they working on per night at CMH these days? I believe SGF has seen a line or two cut.
26 JetBlue : Gosh I didn't pay attention when I overnighted there last, but a few months ago they had at least 8+ overnighters. jetBlue
27 MAH4546 : I think any European added flying past JFK-MAN/MAD, which are "safe bets" given the upcoming ATI with BA/IB, will be held off being announced until w
28 LAXintl : Not just DFW, but across the Western and Central US that can be routed via DFW. I mean for the right fare AA should be able to generate people from e
29 MAH4546 : Not announced in the PR, the Rapid City-O'Hare service will be seasonal (I guess to capture Mount Rushmore summer traffic) and Dallas-Providenciales r
30 LAXintl : Yes I'm well aware of that -- but for even $20-50 cheaper you can help feed the DFW flight from even LA. One of the recent consistently lowest consol
31 LAXdude1023 : I dont think that AA's target is Los Angeles with this flight since they already have a flight from LAX-SAL. Although it would provide LA passengers
32 A318 : Any chance that AA might ever return to ISP with frequencies to ORD, RDU, and/or DFW?
33 CIDFlyer : you are correct, AA Connection ran FSD-STL. When STL was cut back in 2003 the route shifted to FSD-ORD, and dropped in 2004. I know it was being cut
34 ElmoTheHobo : Axed altogether.
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : Mark- You think Eagle could get any of these 2-class CR7's to work on DFW-ASE?
36 Commavia : I'm not sure if AA would want to cannibalize the massive presence they've got going at Vail, which totals upwards of 40 757s a week during the winter
37 44k : Actually, its 11 RON MQ aircraft at CMH, all Embraers. There is also 1 MD80 overnight.
38 Ckfred : I just checked AA.com, and it pulled up the AA non-stop for ORD-DME for June, 2010.
39 AA1818 : Good news. I really hope they can make it work especially with S7 coming into oneworld. Can anyone confirm whether it is indeed coming back next year
40 USPIT10L : There was another active thread that stated it is being cancelled permanently. The schedule changes just haven't been uploaded yet.
41 Skyrat : Keep dreaming. Mainline will not return to FWA with any of the current airlines serving the airport. Maybe Airtran might and I mean might take a look
42 OA412 : It's not bookable at all in July.
43 Yellowtail : What are the odds of AA service MIA-JNB/CPT is the near future :^)....I am desperately trying to get to CPT from BZE for the world cup next summer and
44 Byrdluvs747 : Yes, I've had the same question for the past year. I dont understand how everyone is excited over their recent announcement. Looking at the thread si
45 Lrockeagle : So I'm back from the dead to claim victory and my winnings !! My apologies for not knowing how to properly quote, it's been a while.. Lrockeagle From
46 DLHFLYER : Does anybody know how American will compare with United in terms of daily flights at ORD?
47 SXDFC : Someone probably mentioned this in another thread along time ago, so I apologize but what are the odds of AA ever doing JFK-ATH now that OA is no long
48 WROORD : With the replacement of MD80s at ORD happening 1 for 1, meaning once the new 738 comes into service one MD80 goes out to the dessert? One would hope t
49 LAXdude1023 : AA would get their rear ends handed to them if they tried to fly ORD-WAW. Its an ethnic route thats pretty loyal to LO. Not enough room for two carri
50 Commavia : One would hope that, yes. I would love to see mainline go back into or take over all of markets like DCA, YYZ, PHL, again, but I don't see it happeni
51 MAH4546 : A significant amount of Eagle routes will switch to mainline in April and May 2010. Conversely, a lot of mainline flying will be switching to Eagle.
52 Commavia : Interesting ... I'll be very interested to see the specifics on which routes will be shifting one way or the other. I can think of a few mainline rou
53 FutureUScapt : Though with the CR7s getting F, it becomes less of a concern if they are still operated on business routes during the off peak times.
54 Braniff722 : This market isn't small, we're medium. 350,000 isn't to small. Shreveport's problem is that it's way to expensive to fly from here with the current c
55 KLASM83 : I dunno if ASE could handle a third carrier, especially with the frequencies OO and L4 in winter. Between both airlines' pax, that that holdroom, and
56 Luckyone : Didn't Austrian Airlines cancel Vienna? I flew it in January 08. Great flight. That being said, if OS couldn't make a STAR-STAR flight work, how coul
57 TAN FLYR : No offense here sky rat..but before you were born FWA was all mainline UA and DL. The usual mix of 737/ 727/72S on UA and 72S & D9S on DL. Even AA st
58 NoMoreRJs : As much as I would love to see AA flying ORD-WAW, it won't happen any time soon. The route is very popular, but the margins are "piss - poor." This is
59 MAH4546 : AA already flies JFK-BCN, and MIA-BCN is just a question of when, not if.
60 Addd : Yes - DME flight ends with 2009 summer schedule and is oficially NOT coming back next summer. It lasted approx. 16 months and saw good loads (in the
61 MAH4546 : JFK-MAN/MAD are 75L routes.
62 Flyby519 : Does anyone know what the cabin layout for the Eagle CRJs with first class will be?
63 September11 : Few years ago, they had like 9 RJs and one M80 on that route.
64 ElmoTheHobo : Likely to be a 6/60 (66 total) with a 2-1 configuration up front. It won't be for long, I see them back in 2-3 years from New York JFK.
65 MAH4546 : The plan is 9F/56Y, but I don't know how tight that might make the plane (F pitch might be tight). So it might go to 6F/60Y.
66 WROORD : I do not think that there is lack of business traffic to WAW, the problem is that due to low standards offererd by LOT most business traqffic goes vi
67 Commavia : I disagree. ORD-Poland is a large ethnic VFR market, but just enough for one airline to serve. The market could not support the additional capacity o
68 AAAL : So here the proposed JFK Flight: Effective 4/6/10 JFK SJO will depart at 1720 B757W equipment. Will operate 5 days a week, the other two days the airc
69 Cubsrule : The other problem in Poland - something that is a bit peculiar to Poland - is that both the VFR traffic and the business traffic are somewhat geograp
70 Luckyone : One can always connect to one of LOT's Krakow and Rzezow flights in New York.
71 MAH4546 : Or just fly LOT's non-stop O'Hare-Krakow flights.
72 Longhornmaniac : Any word what equipment it will be on once they find a slot? Cheers, Cameron
73 AAAL : Being it's JFK, I am guessing it will be a B75W. But it would not surprise me if they use a MD80.
74 Commavia : I doubt it - I don't think AA would put a 757 on AUS-JFK, as I don't think the market could support it. This flight is almost certainly going to be t
75 Commavia : Schedules for the JFK-Europe routes: JFK-MAN (scheduled 15May09-30Sep09) AA210 JFK1940 MAN0755 1 75L AA211 MAN1110 JFK1350 75L JFK-MAD (scheduled 1May
76 LAXdude1023 : Any word on DFW-SAL and ORD-PEK scheudles?
77 Ckfred : Here are some ideas, probably bad ones, for possible AA international service out of ORD. Before 9/11, I seem to recall that AA announced service betw
78 USPIT10L : BTW, that was 1999. ORDAMS is not a high-yield route. UA tried it and failed, and even SQ tried it and failed. NW/KL has been the only consistant pla
79 DFWEagle : How did UA fail?? They have been flying ORD-AMS for years!
80 AAAL : JFK is a different station because they have no back ups for MD80s. JFK has trouble handling them for some reason.The manager of operations at JFK be
81 LAXintl : with a mix of 763 or 777 since nonstop service announced in 2000. United actually does quite well in Amsterdam including corporate business and has s
82 AEroc : Anyone knwo when the new flights will be loaded? Also anyone know what cities will see a increase in frequency out of ORD? Interested in ORD-BUF/ROC/S
83 USPIT10L : I was thinking of CDG, sorry. I totally forgot UA still flies ORDAMS. But because of that, three carriers could not be supported. AA wanted to be the
84 LAXdude1023 : UA, AA, and AF all fly ORD-CDG.
85 WROORD : BA canceled its LGW-KRK route (not sure if it is for the winter time) so did IB on MAD-KRK, giving LH pretty much the whole market there. LH flies fr
86 Cubsrule : LGW KRK is running 6 times a week now; MAD KRK is not running. AY flies HEL KRK once a week, on Sunday nights.
87 USPIT10L : I know that, I was referring to ORDAMS.
88 LAXdude1023 : Sorry, I got confused when you said...
89 FWAERJ : Sorry to sound like a broken record, but is there still any official confirmation that AA will pick up DL's L gates at ORD to handle all this new flyi
90 AAAL : Schedule was updated today. Only flight not updated JFK-AUS because of slots issues.
91 MAH4546 : To note, it seems that the new routes were loaded, but the frequency increases elsewhere were not. Also, DFW-SAL still isn't loaded as well.
92 MAH4546 : Dallas-San Salvador - July 1 2010 AA 1991 DFW 1545-1810 SAL 738 Daily AA 1998 SAL 0855-1330 DFW 738 Daily Miami-Birmingham - April 6 2010 AA 2744 MIA
93 AAAL : Yeah noted that too, also MIA-LGA almost turns to basically all 738s too.
94 Longhornmaniac : ...sigh. Even when AUS gets new AA service, we don't actually get it. LOL. Is there a chance they don't find a slot, or is it just a matter of doing s
95 MAH4546 : Where do you see that? I'm still seeing a good 752/738 mix. The equipment for flights past 10FEB10 isn't really set yet. You'll notice a lot of route
96 AAAL : Company email stating plans to start making the route all 738s. They didn't update it all yet, but you start noticing that around FEB it starts going
97 MAH4546 : Good to hear. I wonder if they'll add another 1-2 frequencies.
98 AAAL : It's any issue where the time they want to operate the flight has no availiable slot. So it's either reschedule or find a new slot. I thinking they a
99 AAAL : They did announce two increase flights into LGA.I wonder if they add another 2 frequencies as they are losing a couple hundreds seats in capacity. Th
100 N62NA : Oh, I hope they do add more frequencies. Let's have LGA-MIA operating every hour... and during peak times, lets throw in 2 per hour.
101 Cubsrule : Why shouldn't AA use its slots as it sees fit? It owns them...
102 N62NA : Because it is going to make an already intolerable situation even worse.
103 LAXintl : Too bad its such and early departure, and wont garner much connection flow. Even domestic Spanish connections would mean the 1st flight of the am to
104 Cubsrule : How is that AA's problem?
105 LAXdude1023 : Thanks for the list Mark. Do you also have the information on the route increases from MIA, DFW, and ORD?
106 N62NA : I'm not assigning sole blame for the problem to AA. I am saying that any additional flights added at LGA makes the problem worse.
107 Tommy767 : well its not like they have tried very hard in the last few years. The only route AA seems to keep focus on is IAD-LAX which has always been 3x daily
108 MAH4546 : No, unfortunately. These will be announced soon, though. I do know the break-down for MIA will be 224 mainline, 40 ATRs and 30 ERJ-145s, so compared
109 N62NA : Sure, great schedule but in actuality, those flights will either be severly delayed, or appear in the schedules as 4 hour flights so that they are no
110 MAH4546 : Any added flights would come at the expense of other routes or from one of the handful of unused slots that AA still has (which are all at non-peak t
111 Longhornmaniac : But ALL flights are delayed out of LGA, so it's not like John Q passenger could go take his business elsewhere to avoid a delay. AA's optimizing its
112 N62NA : If the business people who absolutely must have those hourly options because their time is so precious were total idiots, they would buy into that (n
113 DFWEagle : It looks like IAD-SJU will be year-round for AA after all.
114 Longhornmaniac : As Mark said, this increase in frequency will come from some other flight being cut so in theory, there shouldn't be any further increase in block ti
115 Cubsrule : AA having 10 flights on MIA-LGA isn't going to cut delays. Even if AA had 5 flights, it wouldn't appreciably affect delays at LGA.
116 Lfutia : It's a shame that JAX will be served with an ER4. I was hoping for a CR7 atleast. Just wait for the summertime when they'll be weight restricted. Leo
117 KLASM83 : One hundred-fifty more seats butting directly head to head against United Express/SkyWest. This should prove interesting. Thanks for the info, MAH!
118 Cubsrule : In my experience, the weight restrictions on that route are actually worse southbound in the spring and fall, when JAX can be VERY rainy. Northbound
119 AAAL : I fly either LGA-ORD/MIA every weekend. This year alone I have only had three delays, all under AA's control. But I have to arrived close enough to a
120 MAH4546 : In my dozens and dozens of trips to LaGuardia, mostly on AA, over the past few years, I can't ever recall a significant delay ever not related to wea
121 AAAL : JFK is like another MIA. But I must add that they are working hard to improve the operation. Just the other day JFK only had 5 delays. I have never s
122 MAH4546 : It has definitely gotten better in the past few years. Also, forgot to mention this earlier, but I heard that MIA-PIT/IND might revert to mainline wi
123 AAAL : Very interesting PIT has been getting an increase of capacity these days. I can't wait till the next update!
124 MAH4546 : It'll be interesting in deed. PIT, IND, MEM and RIC could probably handle mainline from Miami. It seems kind of ridiculous that Birmingham, Norfolk a
125 MtnWest1979 : Also, AA operated into FAR .....wait, looking at my AA timetable eff 1/31/94, they show FAR on destination map ( and as a mainline city), but alas, n
126 OB1504 : When are they starting this? In terms of delays? If anything, that's a problem on AA's end. Things flow quite smoothly on the south side of the field
127 AEroc : I was just told today that ROC will be increasing from 3 to 5 flight to ORD but no DFW as of now. I'm assuming that BUF and SYR will be the same. Not
128 TWA902fly : It's not oneworld - but KRK's biggest international routes are served by LOT - ORD year round and JFK + EWR seasonally... for a city of it's size and
129 Miaami : Any word on MIA-CMH? a second daily eagle would be nice.
130 CrAAzy : Good news for IND. Such a shame that AA started this route with 2x daily 737 and is now only running it 1 x daily ERJ.
131 AAExecPlat : When is JFK-AUS scheduled to begin ops?
132 Cubsrule : ...but it's surprising that it only sustains a single daily flight to London, none to Madrid, none to Budapest, and one per week to Helsinki. OneWorl
133 DFWEagle : AA mainline did operate into Fargo, North Dakota before. Service commenced on 1st May 1992 with 2x daily F100’s to ORD. The route ended after the w
134 MtnWest1979 : Thanks for info. I'm glad to see I was pretty close.
135 MAH4546 : Most capacity MIA-IND ever had was 1x daily MD80.
136 Miaami : Actually we did fly 1X daily 737-800 MIA-IND before it was reduced to just eagle. To be honest I dont remember a MD80 on this route at all.
137 MAH4546 : It launched as an MD80 01Nov03. Switched to a 738, as you mentioned, in 05Apr05.[Edited 2009-09-29 10:38:59]
138 CrAAzy : Hmmm, I thought the route was 2x daily with a 737 at one point too. Maybe it was just 2x daily with the evening flight being a 737 and the midday flig
139 MAH4546 : It was 2x daily ERJ-140 at one point, and then reduced due to aircraft shortages. But I think if it doesn't go back to mainline, it will at least ret
140 Dfw-man : What will be American's primary number 2 hub ORD or MIA when the increases happen?
141 DFWEagle : For mainline operations, Miami will be largest with 224 daily flights, compared to 173 at Chicago. However, if we include American Eagle flights as w
142 LAXdude1023 : Thats a tough question. I would say they both serve different purposes and are pretty much on an equal playing field. ORD is bigger in Asia and Europ
143 AAAL : Currently no start date due to slot issues. AA is working on getting more slots.
144 MAH4546 : Correct. Although, to note, on an annual basis, MIA is busier because MIA sees very slightly less seat capacity during the summer (~500 less seats a
145 AA1818 : I think you mean't "but quite a bit more during the winter" I think the dominance at MIA could make it number two behind DFW, but there are also many
146 AAAL : We at AA usually look at it like this. DFW is #1 and everything esle is # 2. They all serve a crucial part of our network. But I must say that MIA is
147 Panam330 : Good news. 3x daily like it currently runs is nothing short of a joke, especially compared to UA's schedules. It's good to see us have increased serv
148 AEroc : Well maybe we could get lucky and see some CR7's on the ORD trips since all CR7's will be based out of ORD now. Would be nice to have AA first class
149 Miaami : Does anyone know when we might find out the additional schedules changes?
150 Flyinryan99 : That's good to hear. Hopefully TOL will go up from 3 to 4 or 5. Would be nice to allow for beter connections when flying out.
151 Post contains images CrAAzy : I say in 5 years it looks like the following: DFW,ORD NYC,MIA,LAX,DCA RDU,PHX    Though in the above list 1 airline goes under and another is absor
152 MAH4546 : Absent significant growth in mainline at ORD, that simply won't happen. MIA will be at around 295 departures this summer, planned to go to around 315
153 Steex : Interesting that you presumably see US going under (guessing by the inclusion of PHX), but apparently see AA having a preference for RDU over CLT in
154 Crosswinds21 : The new flights are now posted under the "New Service Routes" section of aa.com. To answer the question of several people (including mine), it says th
155 Steex : Vancouver has the 2010 Winter Olympics in February, so I don't think AA's plans have anything to do with them. ORD-YVR should be a very viable route
156 Crosswinds21 : Doh. You're right. What have I been smoking? I think I was subconsiously thinking "World Cup" which is in the summer...even though the WC is in South
157 Steex : Happens to us all! I would imagine the most difficult thing for AA on this route would be attracting regular ORD-YVR fliers to move over from Star Al
158 LAXdude1023 : If youre talking about DFW-YVR, it is year round. 2x in winter and 3x in summer.
159 CIDFlyer : I would substitute RDU with CLT, and put it in a category with ORD and MIA if they were to absorb US somehow, they wouldn't walk away from the CLT hu
160 CrAAzy : You are correct, I meant to say CLT instead of RDU. Also, I should add my little 5 year list was based on the UA shutting down and US (or at least pa
161 WorldTraveler : Here is a (hopefully) full list of the service increases and other changes that AA is making in Chicago for summer 2010. This list shows the summer 20
162 Flyby519 : Does anyone have a list of routes/frequencies being added in ORD by RP/AX?
163 Panam330 : Just like I stated in the now locked thread on the new schedule, SYR will have 5x daily ERJs, not 4.
164 AAAL : Stated on the other thread Also note JFK changes: Effective 7/2/10 Add 2nd JFK MCO Departure JFK 0925am turn MD80 Add 2nd JFK SDQ Departure JFK 0825am
165 Cubsrule : ...and I'll say it once more: Eagle is not going to do well against WN. There's no reason to stick around this route unless they are flying it three
166 Ckfred : I'm really surprised at the number of routes, such as ATL, DEN, IAH, and PHL, that are losing some or all mainline flights. What has happned on ORD-AT
167 CrAAzy : AA dropping MKE-ORD to essentially 3 departure times a day - 2 morning flights leaving within 35 minutes of each other , a 12:15, and a 16:20 as the l
168 LACA773 : How well does AA do on their LAX-SAL redeye with the 75W? TA has back to back 321s and on certain days run an early morning flight. Does the flight d
169 Cubsrule : 2 flights a day isn't a very competitive frequency. That's a route where the move to Eagle makes sense, because it allows them to add a third daily f
170 DFWEagle : By January 5th, all M80’s on ORD-LAX, ORD-SEA, ORD-LAS, ORD-FLL and ORD-DCA will have been completely replaced by 738’s. The 738’s will also ha
171 LACA773 : Wouldn't they fly this route with ORD based crews? SJD is a strong route for both AS & AA. My question is with MX joing OW this month, I wonder if we
172 MAH4546 : MX/AA will not have revenue-sharing/ATI, so most likely, no.
173 FWAERJ : I know that ORD-FWA is switching from an Eagle ER4/ERD mix to RP ERDs, and that the 3rd Saturday frequency is returning. Those changes have been load
174 Steex : I would tend to agree. I wonder if some of the birds will ferry to SGF for maintenance and that's part of the justification for keeping service?
175 OA412 : Currently UA offers 4 daily flights and DL ofers 3 daily. Next summer both will be up to 4 daily flights. In order for AA to be competitive schedule
176 Cubsrule : I assume that they could rotate them off the JFK flights; it's not like there will be no Eagle service at STL. Remember, for a long time, there was j
177 DFWEagle : Yes, some have been loaded, but not all. The most notable change is the return of mainline M80’s to Little Rock, with 4x daily service. These repla
178 SATexan : Good to see DFW-PIT going all mainline and SLP getting some love. I really hope they add a few flights to upstate NY and open up a market or two in Me
179 Steex : Yes, for a while they did rotate Eagle through BNA into STL for the flights to SGF. My only thought with the BOS flights is that they may be differen
180 MAH4546 : Thanks for the info. Just some minor correction: 8x daily > 9x daily 16x daily > 17x daily
181 DFWEagle : Thanks! I guess I typed that too fast!
182 LAXdude1023 : SLP preforms very well for AA/AE. If I recall correctly that introduced it the same time the introduced TRC. DFW-TRC is still a good preformer, but D
183 SATexan : True. The second flight was long due. AE should also take a look at SAT-SLP. That route would do pretty well too.
184 Ckfred : Even though ORD-DFW will increase to 18 R/T, I see that the last departure out of DFW for ORD is still 8:10 pm. Years ago, the last departure used to
185 Commavia : I agree. It seems like to me - just me personally - that the 10pm bank at DFW used to be a bit stronger than today. It seems like AA has been progres
186 FXramper : DFW-OGG goes 2x daily Feb. 11th. The second flight is an every other day I think, with 48 hr layover for crew. Jim is pumped about this!
187 Commavia : Looks like it operates 4 days a week, 5Feb10-4Apr10. AA241 DFW1330 OGG1800 763 xMoTuWe AA242 OGG1930 DFW0630+1 763 xMoTuWe That is exciting! Also - n
188 MAH4546 : That's not new. It currently is 2x S80/2x ERJ
189 OP3000 : A bit off topic: I just heard from a reservations agent that AA announced last week that all fare types (including deep discount fares on internationa
190 MAH4546 : Yes. This became effective October 6th. Even a cheap Q fare can be upgraded with a SWU. AA's upgrade program was already the best, and just got a who
191 Super80DFW : If I could foreshadow, I'd have to say DFW-CLE will be the next route to get a boost from Eagle to mainline.
192 LAXdude1023 : I have a feeling youre right. CLE is going to be the only other major market left all on Eagle from DFW.
193 SATexan : That would be nice! Also, I am not sure why they havent tried a couple of mainline flights on DFW-HOU(Hobby)
194 Super80DFW : Out of HOU, AA likes to stay competitive with WN (eventhough they fly to DAL) and have more frequencies than larger planes.
195 LAXdude1023 : As I predicted, AA is increasing DFW-PTY. Its scheduled for 3x weekly, but Im told it might be put at 4x weekly before its said and done.
196 Super80DFW : Isn't 3x weekly an upgrade from what we have now? 4x would be great. And is SAL going to be daily or a number of flights per week?
197 LAXdude1023 : Right now DFW-PTY is weekly. DFW-SAL is actually scheduled to be 5x weekly. Whether either will change I dont know yet.
198 Super80DFW : After all of these changes, I'm still very pleased to see a DFW-ORD-DFW daily 777 flight in the mix. I wonder if a DFW-MIA-DFW 777 will ever happen ag
199 MAH4546 : 19NOV09.
200 DFWEagle : An extra flight was added in this week's upload, bringing ORD-SYR to 5x daily ERJ. The schedule is still not finalized for summer 2010 yet, so some o
201 Ckfred : How much tinkering will go on between now and the changes in the schedule next year? I often find that if I book a flight several months in advance, I
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