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SYD - All Int'l Arrivals Diverted To BNE  
User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12362 times:

TV's Channel 9 Today Show announcing that all international arrivals have been diverted to BNE due to severe dust storm in Sydney. Unclear on domestic operations.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/sy...m-blankets-city-20090923-g0so.html

According to Sydney Airport arrivals website international flights upto 6.30am have landed, but flights arriving after that have been diverted.

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User currently offlineFuffla From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12165 times:

There is a severe dust storm in Sydney at the moment. Many International arrivals diverted to Brisbane, and some to Melbourne. Domestic arrivals have been delayed, with Domestic departures leaving.

Dust is expected to hang around for most of the morning.





[Edited 2009-09-22 14:39:45]

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12071 times:

Bleeding hell, look at those pictures.

Amazing sights.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11769 times:

SYDNEY (YSSY)
TAF AMD YSSY 222245Z 2300/2406
29030G45KT 2000 BLOWING DUST
FM230200 27030G45KT 5000 BLOWING DUST
FM230600 25025G40KT CAVOK
FM231000 25015G25KT CAVOK
FM231400 25015KT CAVOK
TEMPO 2300/2306 1500 BLOWING DUST
RMK FM230000 MOD/SEV TURB BLW 5000FT TILL 232400
T 18 20 20 18 Q 997 996 999 1004

TTF SPECI YSSY 222300Z 31030G42KT 1800 BLOWING DUST VV/// 17/03 Q0996
RMK RF00.0/010.0
FM2330 29030G45KT 3000 BLOWING DUST
TEMPO 2330/0200 2000 BLOWING DUST
FM2300 MOD/SEV TURB BLW 5000FT

ATIS YSSY V 222322
APCH: EXP ILS APCH
RWY: 25
SFC COND: DUST PATCHES ON RWY
WND: 280/20-30
XW MAX 25 KTS
VIS: 1700M IN DUST
TMP: 17
QNH: 996
+ SIGWX: SEVERE TURB REPORTED ON FINAL


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3096 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11727 times:

I think this issue is the dust, giving zero visibility, combined with gusty winds. Sydney is weird this morning. Everything looks red!

User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11666 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 4):
I think this issue is the dust, giving zero visibility

Careful.

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 3):
VIS: 1700M IN DUST



User currently offline767er From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11667 times:

I saw VS fly over my local Railway Stn this morning at 6.15am

All NZ trans tasman flights to and from SYD this morning have been cancelled with NZ101 (AKL SYD) turning back mid flight as the conditions worsened.

The dust has blanketed the entire Sydney basin - it is everywhere.



Aircraft flown:F27,Viscount. EMB120, SAAB340, ATR70, 737-200.737-300,DC8, DC10,747-100,747-200,747-300,747-400, A320, A3
User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11642 times:

Great, another prove that SYD needs CATIIIC. I cant believe this can halt a major international gateway. CATI only is jus not enough.

User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11612 times:

Not really very nice in Sydney this morning. Difficult for breathing, windy and just really not a nice day.

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11607 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 7):
Great, another prove that SYD needs CATIIIC. I cant believe this can halt a major international gateway. CATI only is jus not enough.

Have a look at the runway in use. Because of the wind it is 25. So the acceptance rate would be about 18 arrivals an hour with that wind instead of 40 on the parallels. So those extra aircraft would be diverted regardless of the category of the ILS.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11541 times:



Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 9):
Have a look at the runway in use. Because of the wind it is 25. So the acceptance rate would be about 18 arrivals an hour with that wind instead of 40 on the parallels. So those extra aircraft would be diverted regardless of the category of the ILS.

So? Intl widebodies should be allowed to get in after a 10+ hour flight low on fuel. Domestics can wait till weather clears.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5682 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11507 times:



Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 9):
Have a look at the runway in use. Because of the wind it is 25. So the acceptance rate would be about 18 arrivals an hour with that wind instead of 40 on the parallels. So those extra aircraft would be diverted regardless of the category of the ILS.

As well as that, would airlines really want to fly their aircraft into a dust storm? I supect that it is severe enough, at times, as to be a threat to the engines.

If it keeps up all day, as it appears to be, my car get a new air filter tomorrow morning, first thing. I'd hate to think what it could to a turbo fan. Shades of the BA B747 over Java!

Gemuser



DC23468910;B72172273373G73873H74374475275376377L77W;A319 320321332333343;BAe146;C402;DHC6;F27;L188;MD80MD85
User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11507 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 10):
So? Intl widebodies should be allowed to get in after a 10+ hour flight low on fuel. Domestics can wait till weather clears.

Off course, but there will still be an extra wait and most airlines made the decision to divert based on the METARS and the TAF


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3956 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11492 times:

How is it in auckland, new Zealand. Do they have the same problem or is this just a problem for Sydney ?

User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11482 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 7):
Great, another prove that SYD needs CATIIIC. I cant believe this can halt a major international gateway. CATI only is jus not enough.

I would agree that SYD should be CAT III but in this case I don't necessarily believe it would be of much use, dust like that is more concerning that just low visibility from low cloud, fog, heavy rain etc. Avoiding SYD is the more sensible option for now unfortunately.


User currently offlineCamohe From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11386 times:

Conditions at SYD this morning are unprecedented in living memory. I heard that the last dust storm anywhere near this bad was something like 70 years ago. Check out these photos from the Sydney Morning Herald.


http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/e...-sydney-sky-red/20090923-g0tw.html


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11331 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 13):
How is it in auckland, new Zealand. Do they have the same problem or is this just a problem for Sydney ?

I think they will be fine. Would be a bloody nasty dust storm to blow all the way across the Tasman


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11336 times:

Big version: Width: 600 Height: 902 File size: 483kb


Horrible, just horrible. This was at about 6:00am in the morning. It was quite dark, I used ISO2500 for that image, and F/2.8.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11316 times:

Some flights have been landing... VA had a go around then landed.... BA, EY, TG etc have also had services land.

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11276 times:

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/disruptions/global/en

User currently offline777boi From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11126 times:

I know EK412 landed in SYD, but EK418 was divered to MEL and is not expected to arrive in SYD till later this afternoon. Seems like the conditions worsened quickly! Thats a hell of a lot of top soil in the air... lol!

User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10905 times:

The dust cleared here around midday, so things should be sorting themselves out. There were some interesting landings on 07, but the dust would have ruined takeoff shots on 25 such as the one at the top of each a.net page....

Kent


User currently offlineAustralis From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10900 times:

Well, just walked out of the office for lunch and see that orange dust is gone. You can see clouds and the blue sky, though still windy, and perhaps blowing strong gust all afternoon...

Glad i survived that Big grin


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10820 times:

Yuck how foul!!
Hope it clear up soon!!!

Quoting 777boi (Reply 20):
I know EK412 landed in SYD, but EK418 was divered to MEL and is not expected to arrive in SYD till later this afternoon. Seems like the conditions worsened quickly! Thats a hell of a lot of top soil in the air... lol!

Any other services diverted to MEL?


User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10732 times:



Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 21):
There were some interesting landings on 07

I think you mean landings on 25, as it would have been very exciting landing on 07 with 40Kts of downwind (wind currently 280/25-40)


25 Post contains links Senliture : According to this http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...-sydney-airport-20090923-g0vf.html SQ221 (the A380 flight to SYD) has been diverted to MEL -
26 StealthZ : From the current ATIS- ATIS YSSY G 230339 APCH: EXP ILS APCH THEN INDEPENDENT VISUAL APCH WHEN VISUAL RWY: 34L AND R FOR ARRS AND DEPS OPR INFO: PARL
27 Smi0006 : Off to work this arvo looking forward to hopefully seeing some of this extra traffic! They will probably have left though except EK ! Looks like from
28 Kent350787 : True, true, true - now things have cleared Barton park could be fun for takeoffs!
29 Australis : Just reading on another website that the dust storm is in Brisbane at the moment, so im guessing there is going to be delays there and at the Gold Coa
30 Sydscott : I;m sorry to say but, official or not, that's not an accurate reading of the situation this morning. I live near the airport and can tell you that vi
31 StealthZ : Sydscott, Swiftski's ATIS report was from about 9:22AM, ATIS had reported much worse visibility earlier in the morning. Whilst I don't live especially
32 Post contains links KiwiinOz : Actually, I stand corrected http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ticle.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10599147
33 BalZ18 : Wow what a mess! I used to live in AZ and UT and dust storms are not a lot of fun. But that's all red! Kinda crazy to me![Edited 2009-09-23 03:16:08]
34 Smi0006 : To compound some of the service that were diverted had to fly in new crew after the original ones ran out of hours, from where? Yup Sydney, you can im
35 ZKEOJ : Auckland was fine - just loads of rain from the Tasman coming through this week. Forecast is the same for tomorrow and Friday, with clearing up throu
36 Post contains links VV701 : Visibility may not be the only consideration for diversions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9 And on final approach there is not
37 DLDTW1962 : Question here. How can an engine work in a dust storm such as this. As per the "News". They are saying some flights are leaving however, they are dela
38 Post contains images Fridgmus : They tend to happen here fairly often!
39 Zkpilot : Nope no dust here... although it usually takes a day for it (weather) to arrive since its quite far away. Even when things like bushfire smoke from o
40 Climb1 : Another question to add to this, what about the aircraft already on the ground? I mean take photo that Fridgmus has posted above, what happens with a
41 787EWR : [quote=Climb1,reply=40]Another question to add to this, what about the aircraft already on the ground? I mean take photo that Fridgmus has posted abov
42 Decoder : Why is it horrible? I would love to see something similar happening here!
43 Zeke : Is 07/25 back open again ? last time I went in they had it closed with some cranes and extension work. Notams C1110/09 REVIEW C920/09 RWY 07/25 NOT A
44 B6JFKH81 : Aircraft typically come with a kit (some airlines remove them for weight purposes but allocate them to be stocked in cities where they could be neede
45 Cpd : Very unpleasant for breathing, dust gets over everything. Not so nice. While the view is interesting, the side-effects aren't.
46 StealthZ : Zeke, not authoritative but I believe there is an arrangement that gives certain notice to the construction crews and makes 025 available if really n
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