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What Is Sticking Out The Back Of This RJ85?  
User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

I'm sure all you guys know this, but I've never noticed it before. AS you can see it comes out from the rear starbord side.. I guess there's one on the other side too. Is it some kind of brake that pops out?


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Yes, that is an airbrake. It is used on final approach and landing to.. slow the plane. Avro RJ's don't have thrust reversers, and this acts as a replacement of sorts.

Randy

By the way, yes there is also one on the port side.


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

You'll also see the same kind of thing on the Fokker F28! The airbrake opens and closes like a clamshell.

User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Yes indeed, it's an airbrake, and it consists of 2 parts, one on the port side , and one on the starboard side. These two parts open up, in order to slow the aircraft down. The opening takes only 2 seconds or so.

From what I've seen so far at EBBR (Brussels), pilots landing the RJ usually open up this airbrake only a few moments before touching down. Some pilots only deploy them just after touching down. It all depends on the approach I guess.

Ivan



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Yeah it often depends where the pilot deploys them. I live in Detroit, Northwest/Mesaba fly a ton of them into their Detroit hub and I have noticed that some aren't deployed until they are practically on the ground while some others deploy them several thousand feet up before they even circle in to land over my house which is about 20 miles away from the airport and not in the landing pattern of DTW.

Most of them do their turns around my house though.

Since we are on the subject of RJ85s, what is that strange noise that they make when they circle in to land??? It is something that they do with their engine like changing power or something that makes the strangest eeriest groaning sound.


User currently offlineBlackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

It's true that some Avro RJ pilots open the rear speedbrake long before touching down and some only after. The Avro RJ has also speedbrakes on the wings that are mostly opened after touchdown.
I flew on one of those two weeks ago. I sat behind the engines and it was awfully loud. I noticed that the exhaust of the inboard engines hit the flaps if they're fully deployed. When the engines spool up the flaps start to vibrate and the sound is incredible. It's the same when landing. Maybe the sound you're hearing is when the flaps finally heat the airflow of the engine.


User currently offlineAir Orange From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Air brakes!

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2153 times:
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Hey, Blackend, perhaps you can advise me. What row did you sit in? I'd like to sit behid the wings and engines too. Thansk for any advice.


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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

On the RJ/RJX/146, the airbrakes are the clamshell doors at the rear fuselage. They can be used at any speed. The lift spoilers are for ground use only and are on the top surface of the wings immediately ahead of the flaps. They are deployed automatically on touchdown on the RJ/RJX. The hooting noise is generated when the flaps are deployed from up to the 18deg position and is caused by reverse flow under the wing. It is not dependent on engine RPM but does vary with the speed at which the flaps are deployed. In the landing position the flaps do come close to the jet efflux. If you want a quiet ride I would sit near the front. Also at the back you get the hot jet efflux distorting the air behind the exhaust nozzles.

Hope this clears up a few points.

Regards

Derek Ferguson
RJ/RJX Flight Test Engineer



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User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Isn't it awful the sound of the flaps extending? It is even audible from the ground. It is unmistakeable. Like a train coming to a stop at an underground station. The sound was even detected by the DB noise meter during trials ! And yes I noticed the flaps vibrating too. The RJ's with LF505 engines have a lot of problems with them. When Airmalta used to operate four RJ70's we used to have an average of one engine write off a month.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

By the way, one very interesting beneficial side effect of the rear-mounted split airbrake is that they mitigate the effects of a nasty aerodynamic effect called deep stall, where the horizontal stabilizers on a T-tail airplane lose effectiveness at certain angles of attack and the plane literally can fall out of the sky.

Indeed, when Fokker introduced them on the F28 Friendship, it allowed the plane to have much more benelovent stall regimes.


User currently offlineBlackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

I sat in the 2nd last row on a Crossair flight from ZRH to BSL. It was a 20 minutes flight so the sound was no problem. Might be worse on a longer flight. You can really hear it when the flaps are deployed. It's about twice as loud.

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