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Would South African Airways Ever Start MAN-JNB?  
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Anyone reckon South African Airways would ever fly Manchester - Johannesburg?

Is there a market for it at all and would the yields be any good? Didn't Flyglobespan used to fly the route (or was that to Cape Town?)

It could codeshare with BD which would bump up the loads a bit.

Any thoughts appreciated.

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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Bmi actually got close to operating it in the past but then got distracted by India instead.

As fr SAA I can't seeo them doing it in their current guise. Their focus is African points right now and they simply don't have the spare long haul aircraft to add in another point like MAN.

CPT would be a non-starter from SAA for sure, but JNB would work - But sadly MAN is not on their radar right now.



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User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Didn't they fly this route uptil the early 1990s? I remember seeing something like it in their timetable.
I could be wrong, but there was a twice weely B747 service, either via Paris or Zurich???


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2935 times:
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Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 2):
Didn't they fly this route uptil the early 1990s? I remember seeing something like it in their timetable.
I could be wrong, but there was a twice weely B747 service, either via Paris or Zurich???

SA228/229 via CDG around 1992. First service had around 20 pax inbound but around 120 outbound. It was initially weekly, scheduled for 742s but there was a phase of 743s being used. 2nd service was operated sporadically but MAN was pulled as soon as SA were given landing rights by numerous countries around 1994/1995.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

At a quick guess....I'd doubt it. If they can't even manage Paris what hope does MAN have?

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8254 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2879 times:
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Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 2):
Didn't they fly this route uptil the early 1990s? I remember seeing something like it in their timetable.
I could be wrong, but there was a twice weely B747 service, either via Paris or Zurich

At one point I sawa weekly flight via Lisbon to Manchester.


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Not as much pax but probably the route itself will stimulate traffic....plus SA has high overheads...especially on long haul flights...


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User currently offlineCV990Coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2792 times:
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I flew SAA MAN JNB with a stopover in Paris in 1994 I thought Manchester airport was excellent especially in comparison to LHR.

As previously mentioned they are concentrating on Africa which has better yields and less competition. The only European routes are to the fellow star alliance gateways of FRA and MUC plus LHR.

The days of flying the flag where ever it was allowed to fly are long gone.

P.S I flew SAA JNBMUCJNB earlier this month the new JNB airport is excellent. MUC must be the best airport in Europe it even looks like an airport not a shopping mall.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
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I doubt it. SA codeshares with BD on the LHR-MAN-LHR routes and it seems as if this arrangement is working fine. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If connecting through LHR is not "your cup of tea", pax can also catch "LH feeders" and connect to JNB-bound SA flights via FRA or MUC.

Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 6):
plus SA has high overheads...especially on long haul flights...

May I ask: Based on what source of information are you making this statement?


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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

I've noticed that SA and VS have a code-share in place on the LHR-CPT route. Can anyone elaborate more on this arrangement?

User currently offlineCV990Coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2555 times:
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SAA and Virgin have code shared on the CPT - LON - CPT route for more or less a year. It's unusual in the sense that they don't code share on the JNB-LON-JNB route and they aren't in the same alliance. SAA have a code share with QF and they aren't in the same alliance either. Virgin only fly on the Cape Town route between late October and mid April so this could be the reason as their JNB-LON-JNB operation is year round.


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User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2992 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

My inlaws flew CPT-MAN and return a few years ago on Globespan, a 767. It operated only a few times per week before stopping.

As for SAA doing JNB-MAN, I think it unlikely, the South African market in London is so much higher than anywhere else in the UK (and if you've ever been to Wimbledon you'll know why!)

A STN-JNB or STN-DUR (when they open the new airport) flight would be very nice for us though, as the inlaws live in DUR  Smile

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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2404 times:
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Quoting Signol (Reply 11):
As for SAA doing JNB-MAN, I think it unlikely, the South African market in London is so much higher than anywhere else in the UK (and if you've ever been to Wimbledon you'll know why!)

Everywhere in the UK would suffer in comparison to London, no matter what the route. However, where the biggest market is leads to the greatest competition which leads to lower fares and unprofitable routes. Run it a couple of times a week (via another city if need be) and then see if the smaller profits away from LHR is better than the reducing profits out of LHR.


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