Link to a story about Peter Burkill, the BA777 Captain from the crash landing at LHR who took voluntary redundancy and is now claiming Job seeker's allowance after struggling to find another job.
Do we think it will be long before he gets a place back on the flight deck with another carrier? Seems like the kind of guy you would want on the flight deck after he and the co-pilot came in for so much praise for their actions during the crash landing
What is to be made of Korean Air's position of not hiring anybody with a incident or accident on their record?
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Bongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3046 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17502 times:
His wife says "doesn't want to appear whingeing" In that case don't speak to the press.
As to claiming jobseekers allowance after taking voluntary redundancy, whilst he is entitled, is it right ?
This is a man who chose to make himself unemployed, and would have received a substantial pay off, IMO he should get nothing.
Readytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 2627 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17443 times:
Have to agree, I think that we, the public, are not getting all the facts and so can not make a balanced opinion. On the face of it would not any airline like to employ a qualified 777 pilot?
parts are missing to this puzzle.
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Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3644 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17386 times:
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 2): As to claiming jobseekers allowance after taking voluntary redundancy, whilst he is entitled, is it right ?
This is a man who chose to make himself unemployed, and would have received a substantial pay off, IMO he should get nothing.
It often has more to do with having health insurance cover, pension schemes etc. Here in Germany, even famous actors, football players etc. apply for it for those reasons as soon as they have no job that earns them money.
Fxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7048 posts, RR: 92 Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17282 times:
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7048 posts, RR: 92 Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 17096 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 6): How much did he get for voluntary redundancy?
Previous article said around £60,000. I don't see a problem with the RR T7's, just don't fly around Gordon Brown's motorcade.
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7048 posts, RR: 92 Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 17078 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 8): And he is claiming state benefit ? WTF
Theginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16956 times:
Bear in mind that everything written by the press isn't exactly true. Go to a thread on another well known aviation discussion website and you will get a better picture.....
KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4994 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16831 times:
Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 3): Have to agree, I think that we, the public, are not getting all the facts and so can not make a balanced opinion. On the face of it would not any airline like to employ a qualified 777 pilot?
Don't forget many airlines are cutting capacity and grounding planes. Even firing staff.
7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16809 times:
Quoting Babybus (Reply 1): That tells me there was more to the crash than BA let on.
Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 3): Have to agree, I think that we, the public, are not getting all the facts and so can not make a balanced opinion.
Why does everything have to be a conspiracy?
He took voluntary redundancy in a down economic time.
Not a lot of airlines are hiring right now... they will not just go out and hire him because of what he did or didn't do.
When the global economy picks up - and if he truly wants to fly ... I am sure he will find something.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16936 posts, RR: 57 Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16766 times:
Quoting EGCC777LR (Thread starter):
What is to be made of Korean Air's position of not hiring anybody with a incident or accident on their record?
If the incident is found to be not attributable to the pilot, as this case was, then they are simply depriving themselves of people who have proven that they can handle a real emergency. An emergency in a sim, no matter how realistic, can't kill you and 300 pax behind you.
Tim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15967 times:
i think the fact that he CHOSE to make himself unemployed has a key fact here...
He took VR as the company offered it, and reports within the company were that he was disillusioned with the way he had been treated in the airline...
Apparantly the offer according to the Daily Hate Mail recently stated something around a years salary 130K+, but as we said on the crew forums, we are not in a position to debate the real reasons for him quitting BA, that is a matter for him and him alone, not for people on this site that dont know the facts to make assumptions...
All I can say is that he was a LOVELY guy, and your epitome of the suave Captain... I did a PHL with him and he was a great laugh and whilst he couldn't say anything about the events of Jan 2008 due to investigation, he came out and bought us all a beer...
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15405 times:
Quoting EGCC777LR (Thread starter): What is to be made of Korean Air's position of not hiring anybody with a incident or accident on their record?
A rather simplistic approach imo. Some pilots with an accident or incident record are still alive simply because they are skilled enough to not have crashed the damned malfunctioning airplane but rather managed to land it safely enough...
EGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1700 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14263 times:
Quoting Fxramper (Reply 5): Branson is going to hire this guy next week.
He'll have to buy some 777's to go with it then!!! Unless he goes to work for V Australia, of course...
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12735 posts, RR: 79 Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14112 times:
I find reply 1 rather objectionable, in that it implies that colleagues of mine would be involved in some bonkers cover up, as well as all those from the CAA, AAIB, FAA, Boeing, R/R to name the obvious.
When I point out the frankly offensive stupidity behind this, guess who gets a rap?
The idea that we would do, even if it were possible - which anyone with any sort of clue knows it isn't, anything to endanger aircraft safety, when WE, as well as OUR friends, OUR relatives, OUR colleagues, would be definition be endangered too is contemptible as it is ridiculous.
The most important thing in our professional lives is safety.
And of course the issue surrounding this incident has been found to have affected a Delta 777 in a similar fashion too.
So it's not even just a BA thing, if only reply 1 had considered that, before posting yet another example of a deeply silly worldview.
Reply 1 seems also to have forgotten that the Capt was not the only person on the flightdeck.
Even Wikipedia manages a fair and informative section on BA38.
It is I'm afraid another example of the sinking reputation of this site and an indication as to why increasingly people with actual experience of this industry are becoming thinner on the ground.
Who wants to waste time replying to such nonsense.
And the poster concerned cannot provide not only zero proof of the sly assertions, but seems to have no idea of how accident investigations work.
I was only on the very periphery of this incident, but along with many others were privy to briefings throughout this long and at times baffling case.
We know of the huge body of work that not only the investigation agencies had to do, but also of the major efforts Boeing and R/R had to do in technical simulations.
I did see rather closer at hand the investigation process of another, AF4590.
My own early views on that had to change as the technical investigation gathered pace.
As for the Capt involved, well as noted one of the most vile rags tried to use innuendo around him to smear a whole airline.
Fodder for the ill informed, as we have seen.
Some of us do happen to have knowledge around this, we are not about to break anyone's right to privacy though, certainly not for something as nonsensical as to what post 1 was trying to allude to.
In over 8 years on this site, reply 1 to this threat is about the silliest thing I've ever seen.
That it seems par for the course for that member does not lessen this.
Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 55 Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13821 times:
Quoting Babybus (Reply 1): That tells me there was more to the crash than BA let on.
Nope, the crash just made him realise what was really important in his life - his wife and kids.
Quoting Babybus (Reply 1): Surely any other airline would be pleased to take him on as a celebrity figure.
A lot of far eastern airlines wouldn't want that kind of publicity and airlines in the UK/Europe are not really recruiting at the moment.
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 2): As to claiming jobseekers allowance after taking voluntary redundancy, whilst he is entitled, is it right ?
This is a man who chose to make himself unemployed, and would have received a substantial pay off, IMO he should get nothing.
A rather narrow minded an immature view there. As someone who would have been been in the highest tax bracket, he has every right to claim what he has paid to contribute to. THIS is exactly the reason why it is there regardless of how he came to be unemployed - and he probably couldn't have claimed it for a number of weeks anyway. It was never designed so lazy ass no hopers who have NEVER held a job can sponge off the state. As Vfw614 also states, it is also so his NI stamp and state pension contributions can continue.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 6): How much did he get for voluntary redundancy?
12 months salary.
Have a read of the posts by Mmmayday38 on this thread :-
LHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 18 Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13396 times:
Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 3): Have to agree, I think that we, the public, are not getting all the facts and so can not make a balanced opinion. On the face of it would not any airline like to employ a qualified 777 pilot?
Quoting Babybus (Reply 1): That tells me there was more to the crash than BA let on. Surely any other airline would be pleased to take him on as a celebrity figure.
Considering he made possibly the life saving decision to retract flap 30 to 25, that almost certainly got BA038 over the fence rather than a smouldering wreck on the A30, it might be prudent to show a little more respect. The pilot job market in the UK and Europe in general is at absolute bottom at the moment.
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Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7410 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13090 times:
Quoting Fxramper (Reply 5): Branson is going to hire this guy next week.
SRB will hire the guy just for the publicity against BA, but the ex-BA hero Captain should be congradulated for saving all teh people on that ill-fated 777. Korean Air denied his application speaks to Korean Air's mind set. May be the privately held ASiana will give him a job.
JetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1429 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12665 times:
Quoting Fxramper (Reply 5): Branson is going to hire this guy next week.
LMAO!! , VX doesnt have any 777 but he could work for V Australia......
JetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1429 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12642 times:
JER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12325 times:
Quoting Babybus (Reply 1): That tells me there was more to the crash than BA let on. Surely any other airline would be pleased to take him on as a celebrity figure.
It looks like the BA PR machine did a good job.
That's a pathetic statement. If you were on board that 777 that day, I'm sure you'd have a different attitude.
- So there was a cover up from BA, CAA, Boeing, Rolls and everyone else? Pretty tough to coordinate across those massive organisations. And with no whistleblower? Yeah right.
- He took redundancy from BA, it was his decision to leave.
- He can't get a job somewhere else? God well that's a shocker considering the global shortage of pilots!! Erm... no. Thousands of good, experienced pilots can't get a job at the moment.
- Celebrity factor? Hmm well perhaps. But is he expected to start every flight with: "Good morning ladies and gentlemen, yes I am the same Captain Burkill that crashed his 777 a few years back".
I think its pretty much a non-story. He took redundancy like many thousands of people over the country. He's struggling to find a job and is claiming benefit. So what?
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 18): Have a read of the posts by Mmmayday38 on this thread :-
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 19 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9687 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 17):
Reply 17, posted Wed Sep 23 2009 17:57:33 your local time (6 hours 35 minutes 4 secs ago) and read 4390 times:
I find reply 1 rather objectionable, in that it implies that colleagues of mine would be involved in some bonkers cover up, as well as all those from the CAA, AAIB, FAA, Boeing, R/R to name the obvious.
When I point out the frankly offensive stupidity behind this, guess who gets a rap?
The idea that we would do, even if it were possible - which anyone with any sort of clue knows it isn't, anything to endanger aircraft safety, when WE, as well as OUR friends, OUR relatives, OUR colleagues, would be definition be endangered too is contemptible as it is ridiculous.
The most important thing in our professional lives is safety.
Very well said.
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
25 TomFoolery: With all due respect, I agree with your comments except for this one. Perhaps there are different levels of unemployment benefits in the UK, and of c
26 Tim222: Employment Law in England and Wales (Scotland I believe has different laws) has this amendment to Job Seekers Allowance (unemployment Benefit) or the
27 Fca767: That's a year's salary I would be able to live for 13 years on that
28 Avek00: I'm personally doubtful he'll be able to land a job with another megacarrier, as: 1. MANY airlines have a similar policy (albeit more unwritten than f
29 Elevate: Flap 25 is the SOP so they would have never been in the flap 30 position...
30 LHR27C: Yes 25 is SOP, but the aircraft was making a nonstandard flap 30 approach, which was then retracted to 25.
31 BAW217: AAIB Intrim Report States: "The aircraft was then radar vectored for an ILS approach to Runway 27L. The aircraft subsequently stabilised on the ILS w
32 LHR27C: It has been 25 for several years as a fuel saving measure. It just happened that YMMM was making a nonstandard flap 30 approach on that particular da
33 Leezyjet: This is untrue. If you accept voluntary redundancy, you can claim but not right away. You have to wait a number of weeks first which will vary in eac
34 EGCC777LR: That was my exact point, If the pilot was at fault in the crash then I can understand the Korean Air point of view, but I would think that this guy w
35 Bongodog1964: As a taxpayer for the past 29 years I strongly object to my money going to people who have deliberately made themselves unemployed. In particular if
36 GDB: I'm not going to pretend to have any real knowledge of the benefits system. However, consider also why Child Benefit is given regardless of economic c
37 Fxramper: The out of work pilot has additional type ratings.
38 Bongodog1964: I had this conversation with my late mother in law a few years back when she was on one of her regular "benefit scrounger" rants. My reply was that v
39 Manni: And who do you think owns Korean Air? Korean Air had more than their fair share of incidents and accidents. They have invested lots of energy and mon
40 Viscount630: Incidentally - he's now "on the books" of an after-dinner-speaker agency as a speaker and event host. They also employ several high-profile personalit
41 GDB: Some make a pile of cash out of this sort of thing. One example being ex Tory leader and current Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague.
42 AirNz: Disagree completely. Whilst working he paid his Income Tax and NI Contributions so he is perfectly entitled to it if unemployed......exactly as you w
43 Breiz: Just to look at this from a different perspective. Several very capable pilots who were involved in "successful" crashes never flew again. It looks li
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, VX doesnt have any 777 but he could work for V Australia......
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