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When Will NW A/c (A319/320;DC9) Fly To ATL/SLC?  
User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

I'm courious to know when will ATL see any NW a/c (A319/320's, DC9's) Also, why hasn't these a/c been to ATL on any DL routes? Yes, I know ATL has the 747-400 and A330.

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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4186 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Thread starter):
I'm courious to know when will ATL see any NW a/c (A319/320's, DC9's)

may not ever. they have no need for them in atlanta.

Quoting Rampguy (Thread starter):
Also, why hasn't these a/c been to ATL on any DL routes? Yes, I know ATL has the 747-400 and A330.

Why do they need to? DL has the M88s and 737s running out of here. Also a bunch of CR9s and E75s to replace the 732s. No need for them here.



yep.
User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Same question regarding SLC as included in the subject line. I got to typing and forgot to mention them.

User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3365 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

My understanding is that in ATL, and perhaps SLC also, NW domestic mainline was pulled out so that the existing ATL NW ground staff could be allocated to work the NW widebody flights that were added. Because the ground staff are not yet integrated, NW people work NW flights in ATL. If they had not removed the narrowbody flying, they would have actually had to add more NW ground folks at ATL....which is sort of silly given how many DL folks work there.

So, in order to avoid adding NW folks at ATL temporarily, they converted the U.S. hub flying to all-Delta. You'll start seeing more domestic equipment swaps after the single operating certificate is achieved and the representation issues are resolved.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3928 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 1):
may not ever. they have no need for them in atlanta.

If an ATL flight needs a 125-seater, it seems like a NW aircraft would be the one for the job, given how relatively high-cost (and rare) the 73G is.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7566 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

Rumor has it that the Airbus will take over most of the SLC flights due to the better higher altitude performance and range from SLC.


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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3812 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 5):
Rumor has it that the Airbus will take over most of the SLC flights due to the better higher altitude performance and range from SLC.

I just flew SLC to DTW on an NW A320, last week.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3623 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 3):
My understanding is that in ATL, and perhaps SLC also, NW domestic mainline was pulled out so that the existing ATL NW ground staff could be allocated to work the NW widebody flights that were added. Because the ground staff are not yet integrated, NW people work NW flights in ATL. If they had not removed the narrowbody flying, they would have actually had to add more NW ground folks at ATL....which is sort of silly given how many DL folks work there.

Yes, that was true for ATL where NW still performed ground handling in-house.
That wasn't the case in SLC, since SLC was an outsourced station for NW.
There still are several NW mainline flights a day into SLC from DTW, MSP, and the NRT flight.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
If an ATL flight needs a 125-seater, it seems like a NW aircraft would be the one for the job, given how relatively high-cost (and rare) the 73G is.

There currently aren't any immediate plans to start flying Airbus out of ATL on legacy DL routes. On many routes since there are so many frequencies they can accomplish this through flying different aircraft throughout the day. There aren't the routes out of ATL that need the combination of range/capacity/economics that the A319 offers.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 5):
Rumor has it that the Airbus will take over most of the SLC flights due to the better higher altitude performance and range from SLC.

Yep. Supposedly in 2010 a significant portion of the MD-90 flying is going to be MSP-based, and be replaced by A319/A320 flying in SLC. Essentially an MD-90 SLC swap to/from MSP Airbus flying.

There are currently no plans to cross-fleet DC-9s.
757's will be cross-fleeted, but all that simply means is that the NW fleet of 757s will be intermixed with the DL fleet of 757s

It is yet to be known what will make up the new LGA flying.


User currently offlineNWAdeicer From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Heck, I would bet that a majority of NW spoke stations, FNT and to some extent GRR come to mind, would love to be able to work those planes again...


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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3094 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3458 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
Yep. Supposedly in 2010 a significant portion of the MD-90 flying is going to be MSP-based, and be replaced by A319/A320 flying in SLC. Essentially an MD-90 SLC swap to/from MSP Airbus flying.

I would imagine a number of the MD-88's would go to MSP as well. Makes sense for good utilization since with that range they can reach both coasts from MSP.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10674 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3439 times:

I'm taking a NW A320 from MSP-SLC next week and returning on an A-319.


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3345 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
There currently aren't any immediate plans to start flying Airbus out of ATL on legacy DL routes.

Nor would I expect there to be. Once everything is integrated, though, there's no reason that 319s couldn't start flying routings like DTW-CLT-ATL-STL-MSP.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7566 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3287 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
It is yet to be known what will make up the new LGA flying.

Apparently Airbus's atleast thats what the NW ground people were told who then in turn told my father who is a A319/320 captain.

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 6):
I just flew SLC to DTW on an NW A320, last week.

Yes, thats a normal NW flight. I was talking about the A319/A320 replacing MD-88 and MD-90 flights out of SLC so like SLC-LAX/LAS etc etc

Quoting CatIII (Reply 9):
I would imagine a number of the MD-88's would go to MSP as well. Makes sense for good utilization since with that range they can reach both coasts from MSP.

Yes that is the apparent plan is to have MD-88 base out of MSP.



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3201 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
Yes, thats a normal NW flight.

Starting in October both MSP and DTW are all Airbus with the exception of one CR9. So it is a normal NW flight, but also the reverse of what we have seen flights to/from ATL.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

I think the reason you don't see much cross-fleeting yet is simply because the systems have yet to be integrated. Come January 1, you can bet from that date on you'll be seeing a mix and match of NW and DL aircraft scattered throughout the system. Right now it would just be a logistical nightmare because the DL employees don't know how to operate the NW system and vice versa for the NW employees. I see no reason why we won't be seeing airbus' in ATL next year and MD-88's in MSP. It will happen, it's just that DL/NW aren't yet on the same operating certificate, they are still just DL and NW.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineSlcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3038 times:

Is Delta gonna equip these Airbuses with in flight entertainment of any type?

If the rumor is correct that delta is gonna shift them to SLC that could make for some pretty long flights with no entertainment at all

[Edited 2009-09-25 21:26:44]

The MD-90s do so well from SLC i would think that delta would keep them there. The MD-88s i could see going to MSP and with their range limitations that a good place in the middle of the continent

[Edited 2009-09-25 21:27:51]

User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2231 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2951 times:
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If I read the thread title correctly and not the thread body you asked about DC9s to SLC as well. Quite long time ago NW decided DC9s would be limited to the east of the Rockies due to performnce limitations (high/hot). This would be even more stringent now that the -30s are rapidly being phased out in favor of the higher seating but even heavier nd more restricted -50s.


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6538 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2948 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 1):
may not ever. they have no need for them in atlanta.



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 1):
Why do they need to?

Are you seriously suggesting that the Airbuses and DC-9's will never fly out of ATL? Suggest you read reply 3 by Jetlanta. Believe it would be educational for you and might help stop shooting from the hip uninformed remarks.


User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2853 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Thread starter):
I'm courious to know when will ATL see any NW a/c (A319/320's, DC9's).

Some of this has already been in place for several months now with the limited cross-fleeting initiative. But there will not be additional aircraft migration of any significance until after Single Operating Certificate (SOC) is received late in 2009.

In Q1 and Q2 2010, you will see a major schedule realignment to be implemented in several phases in order to begin mixing the DL and NW fleets throughout the hubs and routes of the network. DL aircraft will be moving to more NW routes and NW aircraft will be moving to more DL routes.

Some routes will see smaller aircraft in order to better match capacity with demand, allowing the routes to lose less money or even return to profitability. At the same time, other routes where there is currently insufficient capacity to accommodate demand will see larger aircraft, allowing for the generation of additional revenue.

With this merger, DL acquired new aircraft resources at both the bottom end (100-125 seats) and top end (275+ seats) of the capacity spectrum. If you look at the plan, placing the right aircraft assets on the right routes is a critical piece of the anticipated $2 Billion in annual merger synergies.

With the next merger, DL will take a huge step forward in the area of fleet rationalization.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10674 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2840 times:



Quoting DL747400 (Reply 18):
With the next merger, DL will take a huge step forward in the area of fleet rationalization.

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2830 times:



Quoting DL747400 (Reply 18):
With the next merger, DL will take a huge step forward in the area of fleet rationalization.

WTF?

Which one would that be?



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently onlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2822 times:



Quoting DL747400 (Reply 18):
With the next merger, DL will take a huge step forward in the area of fleet rationalization.

AS merger perhaps?  Wink I could see SEA becoming the next SFO in terms of US hubs to Asia...

Jeremy


User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 20):
WTF?

Which one would that be?

Not too difficult to figure out. Pay attention and read between the lines. Things are happening all around you and the groundwork is already being put into place. Simply begin connecting the dots and things will start falling into place. It will all make sense.

[Edited 2009-09-26 10:00:47]

[Edited 2009-09-26 10:01:22]

User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2761 times:



Quoting DL747400 (Reply 22):
Not too difficult to figure out. Pay attention and read between the lines. Things are happening all around you and the groundwork is already being put into place. Simply begin connecting the dots and things will start falling into place. It will all make sense.

Thanks for the condescending post.

Instead of playing the tired game of "I've got a secret," why don't you say which carrier(s) will be involved next and why you think it will play out that way.

Here's me "reading between the lines:" DL needs to get THIS merger (as you put it) handled before they go back out shopping.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2752 times:



Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 23):
DL needs to get THIS merger (as you put it) handled before they go back out shopping.

They are and they will.


25 Evan767 : Sounds like Delta is underway taking over the world!
26 Bobnwa : I guess I am like Nwaesc and not sharp enough to read between the lines like you are able to. How about cutting the secret agent pose and just say wh
27 Jetmatt777 : It would have already been leaked by now if a DFW "AIRLINE" employee knows about it....I would take his speculation more seriously, if he worked at D
28 Timf : The Pinnacle CRJ9s have always flown for DL exclusively. They are part of a separate contract that was established prior to the NW merger being annou
29 Jetmatt777 : I stand corrected.
30 DeltAirlines : This merger has got a good ways to go. I'll reassess me saying that statement in January/February of 2010, but there are some really big hurdles comi
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