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Delta / DGS MSP Cabin Cleaning Issues  
User currently offlineFavre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 15038 times:

E-mailed to me from a NWA Ramp Lead in MSP..

You'll love this, after the mech. strike they "NWA" hired a cleaning company to clean the airplanes. They made 9.25 hr. Now Delta decided that was too much so they hired the great DGS to clean now. They told the old cleaners "your laid off or you can work for 7.25 to clean planes. Well some of the idiots stayed but they have a whole bunch of new ones too. The old ones are pissed about the pay cut so they have been pissing inside of the planes! We had a 757 today with an all new interior, carpets and leather seats. The crew refused it, it smelled like piss so bad they said they wouldn't take that plane anywhere. This has happened a few times now, two gates down there was a 757 with the same thing and last week we had a PDX that some DGS employee pissed in.
We also have these garages on our concourse and someone has been taking a dump right in the middle of these garages...wonder who??
There are also a ton of planes sitting around the hangars. They brought one up for a flight the other day and the crew refused it. Seems the lavs were full when it came in from its last flight and DGS never serviced them. So the plane sat sealed up in the hot sun for a few days stewing all the Crap in the lavs. These guys said it smelled so bad they couldn't believe they brought it up for a flight.


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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 14989 times:

Quoting Favre (Thread starter):

You'll love this, after the mech. strike they "NWA" hired a cleaning company to clean the airplanes. They made 9.25 hr. Now Delta decided that was too much so they hired the great DGS to clean now. They told the old cleaners "your laid off or you can work for 7.25 to clean planes. Well some of the idiots stayed but they have a whole bunch of new ones too. The old ones are pissed about the pay cut so they have been pissing inside of the planes! We had a 757 today with an all new interior, carpets and leather seats. The crew refused it, it smelled like piss so bad they said they wouldn't take that plane anywhere. This has happened a few times now, two gates down there was a 757 with the same thing and last week we had a PDX that some DGS employee pissed in.

Pathetic, honestly, cleaning cabin interiors does not deserve 9.25 hr and for them to resort to that sickens me......

[Edited 2009-09-25 04:55:05]


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User currently offlineUSflyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 14958 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 1):
cleaning planes does not deserve 9.25

Why not?
I would need more than $9.25 to touch other people's trash and crap.

Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 1):
for them to resort to that sickens me

I agree that the behaviour is uncalled for but so are Delta's lowballing tactics.


User currently offlineNWAdeicer From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 14904 times:

Just out of curiosity, what do you feel is a fair wage for this job, three dollars an hour or maybe five? What do you feel is fair wage for dumping and servicing lavs, cleaning up puke, dirty diapers, used tampons and every other biohazard left behind in the seat back or thrown on the lav floor or stuffed between the seats.


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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 14871 times:



Quoting USflyer MSP (Reply 2):
the behaviour is uncalled for but so are Delta's lowballing tactics.

Why shouldn't they renegotiate the rates so that they are more profitable? you do realize that the whole point of the operation is to make money for the shareholders...right?


User currently offlinePqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 14851 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 1):



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 1):
Pathetic, honestly, cleaning cabin interiors does not deserve 9.25 hr



Quoting NWAdeicer (Reply 3):
Just out of curiosity, what do you feel is a fair wage for this job, three dollars an hour or maybe five? What do you feel is fair wage for dumping and servicing lavs, cleaning up puke, dirty diapers, used tampons and every other biohazard left behind in the seat back or thrown on the lav floor or stuffed between the seats.

My sentiments exactly. Noting that the person who posted this is looking for a job in ATC when he gets older, I think he may think differently if someone tries to pull a Reagan after he's working in that job. For someone who has had a 40% wage decrease, and is still working under it 3 years later, I know how it feels.

Being a bad employee is never warranted, and the behavior described in the article is extreme and disgusting, but to state that someone doesn't deserve $9.25 an hour to do that job is absurd. Let's assume that that person had a spouse and one child, at $9.25 an hour, that family would be living under the established US Poverty Level.

$9.25 may seem like a lot when you're in high school, but it really doesn't pay the bills in the real world when you don't have your parents to support you anymore, RDU. $7.25 is unlivable.


User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 14808 times:

Time for the IAM to step up here. Cleaning is covered work under our CBA. I'm well aware that in the hubs and other cities where AMFA had cleaners that it wasn't performed (it was in both CBA's), but those days are long gone.

Get on it DL143/ Local 1833!!!



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User currently offlineN707PA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 14800 times:

So is this job only worth paying minimum wage ($7.25)?

User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14665 times:



Quoting N707PA (Reply 7):
So is this job only worth paying minimum wage ($7.25)?

Only if you want the perception of your A/C to be that of a garbage scow....



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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14609 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 4):
Why shouldn't they renegotiate the rates so that they are more profitable? you do realize that the whole point of the operation is to make money for the shareholders...right?

I don't begrudge the right of Delta to renegotiate the rates. However, a more appropriate response would be to find ways to make aircraft cleaning more efficient (needed fewer employees) not just cut existing wages to below poverty levels. As for the employees behaviour, as the old saying goes "when you pay peanuts...you get monkeys"


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14575 times:



Quoting USflyer MSP (Reply 2):
Why not?
I would need more than $9.25 to touch other people's trash and crap.

DL does not deal with unions unless they are already on property. Since NWA outsourced their cleaning a few years ago, the contract guys are out and DL brings in their own contract. It's as simple as that.

BTW, I've been paid way less than that for cabin service and I never complained. A job is a job. Just sounds like typical union scare tactics if you ask me. I'm just lucky UA or NW never gave my contract companies issues when we started.



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User currently offlineCrj200faguy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14565 times:

I worked for DGS for 4 months back in 2000. This was pre 9/11, so things were a little different. Turnover was so high that they didn't do a background check until you worked there a month. Then you could get a SIDA badge. You always had to be with another employee when on the ramp, but if there wasn't one you had to hide inside or in the plane if the police came by. There was a guy who was there for a month and was fired after his background check came back with a felony. That forever sealed my opinion of Delta. Oh yeah, and for the people who think those low wages are justified by flight benefits think again. When I was there you got 2 passes after working 500 hours that were the lowest boarding priority and cost money per mile.

$7.25 might work in the south, but things cost a little more in MSP.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14547 times:



Quoting Crj200faguy (Reply 11):
I worked for DGS for 4 months back in 2000. This was pre 9/11, so things were a little different. Turnover was so high that they didn't do a background check until you worked there a month. Then you could get a SIDA badge. You always had to be with another employee when on the ramp, but if there wasn't one you had to hide inside or in the plane if the police came by. There was a guy who was there for a month and was fired after his background check came back with a felony. That forever sealed my opinion of Delta. Oh yeah, and for the people who think those low wages are justified by flight benefits think again. When I was there you got 2 passes after working 500 hours that were the lowest boarding priority and cost money per mile.

$7.25 might work in the south, but things cost a little more in MSP.

They've improved the flight privileges dramatically since 2001, but then again, everything's changed since 9/11. The backgrounds checks are done instantaneously now (before you ever get on the ramp). As for a SIDA badge, it took the ACAA (PIT airport authority) six weeks for my fingerprints to come back, so I had an escort badge on me at all times with an agent usually glued to my side. Sorry, as you have a badged employee around you, you can work on the ramp. They were just following FAA guidelines. I bet the pay will be at least $8 an hour, hopefully most of the southern stations will get the wages up to around $8 as well, IIRC, RDU still pays $7.25 an hour.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14531 times:



Quoting Favre (Thread starter):
You'll love this, after the mech. strike they "NWA" hired a cleaning company to clean the airplanes. They made 9.25 hr. Now Delta decided that was too much so they hired the great DGS to clean now. They told the old cleaners "your laid off or you can work for 7.25 to clean planes. Well some of the idiots stayed but they have a whole bunch of new ones too. The old ones are pissed about the pay cut so they have been pissing inside of the planes! We had a 757 today with an all new interior, carpets and leather seats. The crew refused it, it smelled like piss so bad they said they wouldn't take that plane anywhere. This has happened a few times now, two gates down there was a 757 with the same thing and last week we had a PDX that some DGS employee pissed in.
We also have these garages on our concourse and someone has been taking a dump right in the middle of these garages...wonder who??

They should be fired and arrested, period. Was this contract company union, per chance, Favre? Just interested.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 14486 times:

DGS is Delta Global Services, so no it was just a non-union in house contract company.


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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14401 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 10):
Just sounds like typical union scare tactics if you ask me.

Why would you say that? This story came to light from a NW employee's first hand account, not DL143...



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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14203 times:



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 9):
However, a more appropriate response would be to find ways to make aircraft cleaning more efficient (needed fewer employees) not just cut existing wages to below poverty levels. As for the employees behaviour, as the old saying goes "when you pay peanuts...you get monkeys"

Ah...so lay off existing employees and pay those who remain the same amount. I get it. Good idea.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14135 times:

I always thought that one of the biggest mistakes that DL ever made was to outsource their Cabin Service. I don't think it's been as good since then. I know that they didn't get payed as much as we did in cargo or the ramp, but it was an entry level position, so most everyone in ACS started in cabin service when it was in house. Sometime in the late 70's it was made an entry level position. Before that you could start there, ramp, air cargo, fueling, ticket counter, etc.


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14134 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 14):
DGS is Delta Global Services, so no it was just a non-union in house contract company.

I knew that, Burnsie, who did the cleaning for NWA after the IAM strike in '05? That was my question.



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User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14074 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 18):
I knew that, Burnsie, who did the cleaning for NWA after the IAM strike in '05? That was my question.

It wasn't the IAM who struck in 05 it was AMFA. Due to cleaners being classified as being in the same class and craft as aircraft mechanics they AMFA were obligated to take the cleaners. My guess is that the ramp/IAM did cleaning in some of the stations if not all of them after the strike. The IAM had no problem taking pushbacks during our strike which was a mechanic function at bases where mechanics were employed.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4490 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14045 times:

You know this goes beyond being just unsanitary, this is downright unsafe. Urine is corrosive, and depending on where they did this, it could cost a LOT of money in repairs...


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User currently offlineAlbnwa4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13960 times:

I've seen this post three times today, its also on other sites (flyertalk and Airline crew ).

Just trying to stir the pot is my thought, although hey you never know these days.

[Edited 2009-09-25 17:00:02]

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13947 times:



Quoting Albnwa4 (Reply 21):
there was always that 30 year vet that just never left.

Some of us were 30 year vets that hadn't reached 60, yet.  Wink



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User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13918 times:
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You get what you pay for. Pay POOR WAGES, you get POOR WORKMANSHIP.
Good people will work somewhere else, if the work is available.
I doubt if you can anyone to stick around and do decent work for less than $10.00 an hour.
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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13859 times:

I have expressed my feelings on several occasions about contracted workers, and low pay. However, DGS is somewhat better in terms of benefits and offerings to the subcontract world. I am not justifying it, I am just aware that they are owned by DL, and offer them flight benefits, and some decent (not the greatest for sure) medical options. Most contractors just offer a paycheck, and that is it. If they gave the DGS employees more ownership and better pay, I bet it would be a nice outfit to work for. Otherwise, turnover and problems will always be in play when it comes to any company paying poorly in this industry.

What concerns me is the email being posted on this site. As far as validity to the statements made, it is concerning. If it is factual, it is concerning. If the allegations are false, it is alarming and certainly unprofessional. I know DL/NW would be very unhappy seeing this. I am also concerned at the responses of the employees on this site. I would highly and cautiously suggest restraint on this subject, as it could come back to haunt later on. Just giving advice to my fellow brothers and sisters out there.  Smile

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 12):
They've improved the flight privileges dramatically since 2001, but then again, everything's changed since 9/11. The backgrounds checks are done instantaneously now (before you ever get on the ramp). As for a SIDA badge, it took the ACAA (PIT airport authority) six weeks for my fingerprints to come back, so I had an escort badge on me at all times with an agent usually glued to my side. Sorry, as you have a badged employee around you, you can work on the ramp. They were just following FAA guidelines. I bet the pay will be at least $8 an hour, hopefully most of the southern stations will get the wages up to around $8 as well, IIRC, RDU still pays $7.25 an hour.

That is excellent news! There is no excuse these days for lack of security. No background clearance, no access. That is the way it should be. $7.25 an hour is nearly impossible to live on. Seriously, I still can't believe that. I was making that in 1995 when I hired in at UA! That is 14 years ago! WOW!!!!



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25 Ksancoflyer : I totally agree. Way to little to do this. I'm sure hotel maids get paid more.
26 USAFDO : I lived in MSP for several years~it is a very expensive city to live in~ $7.25 that's a joke! That is the pay for a high school student...not a living
27 Nwaesc : AMFA struck, not the IAM... They did the work in every city that didn't have AMFA cleaners and/or AMT's before the strike. For those cities, it was b
28 Acidradio : The only people who will work for $7.25/hr for any job in MSP, especially something as gross and backbreaking as cleaning airplanes, are people who sh
29 Cvg2lga : I think most of the problem has to do with others looking down their noses at those who clean aircraft. The janitors at my airport make a very decent
30 STT757 : In some school districts janitors make six figures.
31 Nwaesc : Been there, done that.... Definitely worth more than $7.25/hr. Other "finds" over the course of the last dozen or so years: Tampons (used) Dirty diap
32 USPIT10L : You'd be surprised how poorly paid most hotel workers are. The state of low-paying jobs is far worse than you realize in this country. Sorry, my bad.
33 Gxman : You get what you pay for. If you don't want employees that piss on planes then maybe you should attract people who won't do that. My 17-year-old neice
34 Mayor : Do you honestly think that Delta has ONLY operated in the south all these years? They've operated in ORD, MSP, MKE, NYC, BOS, DTW, CLE, SEA, etc. for
35 SkyguyB727 : ICK!
36 Mayor : BTW, I also cleaned a/c for several years in small stations (where you did everything under the sun) and I wouldn't say that cleaning the cabin is pa
37 Antoniemey : BNA starts at $8.25 an hour for DGS (unless they've dropped it back down since I worked there in 2004-05). Not a great pay rate, but better than work
38 Rw717 : I worked for NW in FCA from 2000-2001. This is what NW classified as a " 4 hour rule station", which at the time meant you basically did everything bu
39 NWAESC : These are usually the worst. The TPAC flights sometimes had people that just weren't used to a flush toilet. If you saw footprints on the seat, you k
40 Lono : same crap in DFW back in the 90's.... this is going to get interesting real fast.... gang bangers on the ramp... nice....
41 F9Animal : No kidding! People used to talk badly about airplane cleaners, saying they had a cushy job. I did a few RON cleans, and let me just say; it is no eas
42 USAFDO : Wal Mart employees are making over $8.00/hour in Fort Walt Beach, FL.... to stand at the front door and say "welcome to Wal Mart"! Give me a break....
43 Dl1011 : Sorry, but it is impossible to do a proper cleaning in under 10 minutes with 3 people. I started my airline career as a ramp rat and the last task of
44 RampGuy : You get what you pay for. DGS starts out at $7.75/hour. So one should expect retards. Until DGS pays fairly, this will never change.
45 Antoniemey : But as you note, you were doing RON cleans. For a RON clean we'd have the entire ramp crew on the plane for half an hour or more. Cleaning between fl
46 USPIT10L : He was talking about a turn clean, when an A/C comes in, unloads and then reloads for a flight back to the hub.
47 FlyDeltaJets : Agreed!! Bottom line is this, If you are not happy with the wages you are being paid you can write letters use other means to get your point across.
48 Mayor : In SLC with DL, when we were a small station, we had a 737-200 come in from CVG and do about a 45 min. turn. We would expedite the cleaning process b
49 Lono : So what... that was the old DL.... the new DL smells bad
50 Mayor : So do your replies. I was just stating a fact......if you'll take the time to read my other posts in this thread, you'll see that I don't like the id
51 CVG2LGA : Hey RampGuy.. there are plenty of what you would call "retards" running around on the ramp also you know! Trust me I've seen them on every ramp I've
52 CatIII : What is so "unethical"? You're throwing around terms that have no relevance to the discussion. This is a BUSINESS. There is a fiduciary responsibilit
53 USPIT10L : We turned MD-88s in forty minutes or less, and cleaned the cabin in about 10 minutes, sometimes 15 if it was really busy.
54 Mir : "You take care of the employees first, they take care of the customers, and then the customers take care of the shareholders." The man who said that
55 Blueman87 : your right they dont deserve 9.25 an hr they deserve 10.00 to clean other people shit i been across the atlantic on Delta got off in nice and looked
56 Mayor : This was pre merger with Delta (we only had 5 flights a day at the time).
57 Sunking737 : When I worked at SY in MSP, we had ASIG, & ATS doing ramp and cleaning the cabin. They booth did just a piss poor job the powers that be choose to hir
58 Amwest2United : Bottom line here is: Every person working for $7.25, $8.25, $10.00, $20.00, has a choice. I don't hold a gun to any ones head and tell them they must
59 Dl1011 : You might be correct that I'm a bit off of the discussion topic but I believe that this is just another example of how dl cuts corners and safety is
60 AviatorTJ : /thread Paying the bills at $7.25/hr isn't the same for everyone. The folks doing that may only be HS students who don't have many bills. (Realistica
61 WESTERN737800 : Amen folks, you gotta pay more than mininum wage for work like this, especially when they're working in temps from well below zero to well above 100
62 Kaiarahi : Fired - the same as a waiter who spits in the soup.
63 WESTERN737800 : That's exactly what I was thinking. Make an example of them for the rest of the crew who is doing it or considering it.
64 Mayor : I don't recall experiencing those kind of temps while cleaning a/c. Ramp, cargo & a/c cleaning, yes, but not just cleaning. Except for dumping the la
65 PGNCS : I have lived in MSP for 15 years, and have lived in many other large cities (ATL, LAX, STL, CLT, MCO, etc.) and can definitively say that MSP does no
66 USAFDO : Oh here we go.....a pilot with a WRITTEN LEGAL CONTRACT.....IRON CLAD...has 2 cents worth of comments on whats good for the DL/NW F/A's....... Those
67 M404 : I just saw another copy of this letter on a bullitin board and one sentance was very different and I believe was left out by this threads poster to av
68 Mayor : Why is this subject in a thread about DL's a/c cleaners? Are you just using it this thread to further your union organizing aims? If you are, I also
69 NWAESC : I realize what you're trying to say here, but the truth is the company hired after the AMFA strike DID hire a lot of Somalis to do the work. There's
70 WorldTraveler : I am going to let those of you as airline employees to debate the wages and people who should be doing this work but I would like to add a little pers
71 DeltaL1011man : well......at least they aren't calling in sick What is successfull to you? People s**ting and p**sing on planes,to me, doesn't hit that mark.
72 Post contains images Skydrol : Yeah, I don't think $7.25 or even $12.00 an hour is enough pay to deal with the mess some pax leave for the cleaning staff:
73 Blueman87 : yea they get put threw alot they should get paid more 10.00 12.00 or even 17.00 even Amtrak pays there cleaning crew 17.25 starting pay thats good if
74 WorldTraveler : again, this is a transition. No one ever said transitions are painless... but the point still remains that DL does provide fairly decent standards of
75 Malaysia : Well DGS did cleaning for DL in CVG and actually lost the contract at a DL hub anyway, so its strange how DL does not have some liason system in place
76 WorldTraveler : DGS is not necessarily the only shop in town; if other contractors can do the work at a better price and at higher quality, DL will go with them. It i
77 Mayor : As is SLC, where DGS also lost the contract.
78 BHMDiversion : Delta did this to themselves. Delta put the contracts out so they didn't have to pay Seniority or a livable wage. They want the lowest to do the job 1
79 RampGuy : I'm stating what I have noticed, not belittling anyone. When I said "retards," I was not just talking about cabin service, but ramp as well. Like tak
80 Nwadeicer : I think what the main issue here is "job" vs "career". What does a company want? Do you want someone that will make a career with this company? Have s
81 WorldTraveler : The reality is that there are alot of jobs in the US economy that are "jobs" and not "careers". US law allows companies not to pay retirement or heal
82 DeltaL1011man : so that makes it right? If everyone jumped off a cliff........ but if they did what they should do then they would be having this problem. They will
83 DocLightning : See, that's the talk I tried to have with my old boss. You have to treat people well and pay them well or you will only get people who can't get a be
84 Malaysia : DGS supervisors and management is somewhat the only decent positon at DGS, supervisors get hourly rates vs salary and atleast 3 weeks vacation on 1st
85 USPIT10L : That's the whole point of companies like this. If you want to get into middle management or specialized jobs at a station (lead/supervisor/load agent
86 WorldTraveler : I didn't say it was right... I said it was legal. If you want to talk about the morality of business, there are a whole lot of discussions that can b
87 SNCntry32 : Because that makes a ton of sense, high quality cleaning and minimum wage. That just goes hand in hand. Minneapolis isnt like living in Manhattan, bu
88 Luv2cattlecall : So... why don't we just raise their wages to $25 an hour? And while we're at it.... flipping burgers and cleaning fast food bathrooms is a disgusting
89 TheCol : In this industry, you have to start from the bottom and work your way up. My first job out of high school was grooming planes, then I eventually moved
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