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User currently offlineDairy From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 241 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 6738 times:

Are there now and have there already been longhaul-serivces to/from Pittsburgh, especially from Europe?

[Edited 2009-09-25 14:28:23]


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 6727 times:

DL currently fly CDG-PIT


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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

According to Wikipedia US had these long-haul flights from Pittsburgh:
PIT-LGW
PIT-CDG
PIT-FRA



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User currently offlineBellerophon From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 583 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

Dairy

...Are there now and have there already been longhaul-serivces to/from Pittsburgh, especially from Europe?...

Yes, BA had a B747-100 service from LHR to PIT.

I flew it several times, and if I remember correctly this would have been around the late Eighties, possibly early Nineties. I don't know when the service was stopped as I left the B747 fleet shortly thereafter.

Best Regards

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User currently offlineDBQ From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6432 times:

I am curious about the loads to PIT. Is there a flight from CDG that goes to a more "non-hub" US station than this one? (I have trouble thinking of Pittsburgh as a hub anymore)

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6405 times:



Quoting DBQ (Reply 4):
I am curious about the loads to PIT. Is there a flight from CDG that goes to a more "non-hub" US station than this one? (I have trouble thinking of Pittsburgh as a hub anymore)

Not from CDG, but NW has PDXAMS, and PDX certainly has no hub service, just a large AS/QX operation.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

Quoting Dairy (Thread starter):
Are there now and have there already been longhaul-serivces to/from Pittsburgh, especially from Europe?

1970's
TWA had one stop service to LHR and FRA.

1980's
TWA offered nonstop service to LGW briefly, then ended all trans-Atlantic PIT service.
BA started in 1985 with a 747/L-1011 combination on LHR-IAD-PIT. In 1989 this was a 744 (BA's first) operating LHR-PHL-PIT
JAT Yugoslav Airlines offered scheduled DC-10 public charters to various destinations in Yugoslavia.
Pan Am applies fro PIT-LGW service; this was awarded to AA/RDU

1990's
BA starts nonstop LGW-PIT with a leased US 762. During some winter seasons this became a 742 on a LHR-YUL-PIT service (with traffic rights between YUL-PIT)
They ended all PIT service in 1999.
US Added LGW, FRA (A-333) and CDG (762) nonstops.
US Airways applies to serve PIT-MAN/MXP/FCO. These were awarded to other Airlines/hubs.

2000's
US ends all transatlantic service.
Delta starts PIT-CDG in 2009.

[Edited 2009-09-25 18:12:03]


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User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6176 times:

Last day of BA service to PIT; 31 Oct 1999.


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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6088 times:



Quoting DBQ (Reply 4):

Not sure what you mean, but if you want to know if an airline flies from CDG to PIT (which is a non-hub), then DL started PIT-CDG service this June


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1279 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

TW also had PIT-FRA L1011 service at the same time as the LGW service.

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6024 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 6):
US Added LGW, FRA (A-333) and CDG (762) nonstops.

Actually, PITLGW on US did not begin until June 2000. There was a nine-month gap without nonstop service to the UK. Otherwise, excellent summary.



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User currently offlineD328 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

BA had a B763 to PIT, there are pics on here. Dates show from 1996-1999. BA 742 in 1997 also.. Were the B763s subs or normal for some days and B742 on other days? Seasonal changes?


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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1279 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

At various times BA operated 741, 742, 744, L10 and 763 to PIT. Routings also varied with the seasons as noted above via IAD, PHL and YUL.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5842 times:



Quoting D328 (Reply 11):
BA had a B763 to PIT, there are pics on here. Dates show from 1996-1999. BA 742 in 1997 also.. Were the B763s subs or normal for some days and B742 on other days? Seasonal changes?

The 763s were normal scheduled BA equipment after the alliance with US ended, to LGW. The 742 was seasonal in the late '90's via Montreal to LHR.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4854 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 6):

They applied for and recieved PIT-AMS but unfortunately 9/11 ended those plans.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32793 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4004 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 14):


Quoting PITrules (Reply 6):

They applied for and recieved PIT-AMS but unfortunately 9/11 ended those plans.

That information is simply false. There was no need to "apply" for PIT-AMS. The U.S. and the Netherlands have had open skies since 1992.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3083 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3682 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
That information is simply false. There was no need to "apply" for PIT-AMS. The U.S. and the Netherlands have had open skies since 1992.

Its true...and I didn't mean apply..they announced the flights beginning in October or November 2001, and 9/11 canceled it.

The proposed route was canceled along with PIT/PHL-PDX and CLT-SAT/AUS.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3588 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 14):

They applied for and recieved PIT-AMS but unfortunately 9/11 ended those plans.

I've seen AMS mentioned by a couple posters. However, over the years I've done a lot of research on past Europe service from PIT, and I have never seen anything official regarding US announcing PIT-AMS. If someone can provide a link to something I would appreciate it. All the others (MAN, MXP, FCO, even NRT) I have been able to substantiate with old newspaper archives, but not AMS.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32793 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 2832 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 16):
Its true...and I didn't mean apply..they announced the flights beginning in October or November 2001, and 9/11 canceled it.

No, they did not. US Airways never announced PIT-AMS.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2665 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
No, they did not. US Airways never announced PIT-AMS.

But they intended to fly it. I heard the route was never announced because of 9/11, which probably means they had another set of routes ready to be announced in late 2001.



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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2608 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 19):
But they intended to fly it. I heard the route was never announced because of 9/11, which probably means they had another set of routes ready to be announced in late 2001.

Highly doubtful. Back in the day, AMS was, at best, a marginal performer for US. In fact, AMS service was suspended from 1999 to 2001. PHL-AMS had just resumed in April 2001, so irregardless of 9/11, I highly doubt that US would have been looking to double its operation in AMS that quickly, especially after not performing that great (relative to other European destinations) the first time around.


User currently offlineCush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Thank you all for linking to my photo: http://twurl.in/ba767

I remember being at the airport on the second to last day for BA service. It was sad knowing that this world class carrier would soon be leaving pittsburgh. I still remember when we had the old TV displays and the British Airways logo was burned into the screen. You could still see it years later. Also, during my time with a certain charter airline at Pittsburgh we used the old BA gates and it brough back a lot of memories on the very empty 767 flights to LGW.

Also, does anyone have any other details on the JAT service to PIT? I can't seem to fathom charters from PIT-Belgrade.

Thanks all!



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2368 times:



Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 20):
Highly doubtful. Back in the day, AMS was, at best, a marginal performer for US. In fact, AMS service was suspended from 1999 to 2001. PHL-AMS had just resumed in April 2001, so irregardless of 9/11, I highly doubt that US would have been looking to double its operation in AMS that quickly, especially after not performing that great (relative to other European destinations) the first time around.

I heard it from a US Airways supervisor in 2003. Since it's open skies between the US and Netherlands, there was no need to apply for it, just announce it and start it. Just another example of US Airways attempted restructuring that never got off the ground.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2315 times:



Quoting DBQ (Reply 4):
I am curious about the loads to PIT. Is there a flight from CDG that goes to a more "non-hub" US station than this one? (I have trouble thinking of Pittsburgh as a hub anymore)

The hub is at the CDG end, with PIT being the spoke - even though the plane says Delta, it's part of the AF/DL joint venture and it's feeding the Air France hub in Paris, with profits being split between DL/AF.

PIT is the smallest destination in the US served from CDG currently; RDU-CDG was also announced, but never got off the ground.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

In the 3rd of the three photos linked above in reply 11, notice there is a second BA aircraft in the background, a 767. That photo was taken in Aug 1997, so I believe the scheduled PIT flight would have been that 767, and the 747 perhaps a diversion?

Quoting Cush (Reply 21):
Also, does anyone have any other details on the JAT service to PIT? I can't seem to fathom charters from PIT-Belgrade.

I have the Summer 1990 JAT timetable. It has the schedule of public charters to CLE, DTW, and PIT in it. The cities are even on the timetable's route map. The flights to PIT were generally once every two weeks, sometimes more in the summer. There would be multiple tag ons as well. For example, one flight might leave DTW, stop in PIT, then go to 2 destinations in Yugoslavia. So from DTW, the timetable might list service to Belgrade as "2 stop". According to the timetable, none of the fights seemed consistent on what the stops were either. Between CLE, DTW, PIT on one end, and Belgrade, Zagreb, Dubrovnik, and Ljubljana on the other, it seems like every flight had a different combination of stops.

From PIT, there was nonstop service to Ljubijana, one stop to Dubrovnik, and two stop to Belgrade.

To PIT, there was nonstop service from Dubrovnik, one stop from Zagreb, and two stop from Belgrade.

Sometimes PIT was at the far end of the "bar bell", meaning flights would first stop in DTW or CLE. Considering there was only one flight on average every 2 weeks, the actual nonstops to/from PIT were few.

I believe 1990 was the last year for PIT service. I don't know when it started. CLE has had flights for a long time until they ended. All flights were with a DC-10.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 23):

PIT is the smallest destination in the US served from CDG currently

Both CVG and SLC are smaller.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25356 posts, RR: 22
Reply 25, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2208 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 23):
PIT is the smallest destination in the US served from CDG currently

US census data for 2008 shows the PIT metro area as 22nd largest at 2.4 million. SLC is only 49th largest, and less than half as big as PIT, at 1.1 million.


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