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DL Ending ATL-FSD (?)  
User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2268 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Saw this article in the ATL Journal Consitution. In addition to announced cuts at MSN, CID, LNK, PIA and Burlington, VT, it also says non stop service to FSD from ATL is being cut. DL's website still shows it bookable in January. I haven't seen anything previous on FSD being cut from ATL. It would make sense though given the cuts they have made.

http://www.ajc.com/business/delta-cuts-nonstops-to-131303.html

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15695 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2400 times:



Quoting CIDFlyer (Thread starter):
It would make sense though given the cuts they have made.

It would, considering that FSD is already well served by NW. Not really a failure in the market or anything, just more rationalizing and rightsizing.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineBinMonster From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Effective 01DEC DL ATL-FSD Market canceled

also

Effective 01DEC DL "NW" DTW-FSD will return


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2268 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2103 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
It would, considering that FSD is already well served by NW. Not really a failure in the market or anything, just more rationalizing and rightsizing.

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It was hard to envision this flight continuning given the recent retrenchment of flights to this region from ATL / DL, especially since it was just re-launched recently and also since long time ATL flights were axed like CID, PIA and MSN. Even cities like DSM will be down to only 2x daily to ATL, when they used to have 4 to 5 daily flights.

Needless to say, hopefully we can see some of these flights return once the economy rebounds, ATL is an important business destination, a decent O&D generator and DL's mega-hub that provides many unique connections to cities that DTW and MSP do not.

Quoting BinMonster (Reply 2):
Effective 01DEC DL "NW" DTW-FSD will return

Hopefully this flight will be timed better than last time, with a morning departure FSD-DTW and evening return DTW-FSD.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15695 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1991 times:



Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 3):
Needless to say, hopefully we can see some of these flights return once the economy rebounds,

...or if AirTran starts service.  duck 



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2268 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1959 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
...or if AirTran starts service.

lol..no kidding! seems like if you have AirTran to ATL you are guranteed to have service, and healthy service at that, by DL to ATL (i.e. MLI, BMI)  Smile


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3886 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1952 times:

I guess Delta actually recognizes that the entire country can't all connct in ATL and that leveraging all their asetts is a good idea. I mean after all, the nwa hubs and network were attractive to delta for a reason.

From what I have seen, the new FSD DTW schedule is a good one.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4358 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1939 times:
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Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 6):

From what I have seen, the new FSD DTW schedule is a good one.



Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 3):
with a morning departure FSD-DTW and evening return DTW-FSD.

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Effective 01Dec:

DTW-FSD 1915-2035

Effective 02Dec

FSD-DTW 0620-0930



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15695 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1890 times:



Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 5):
and healthy service at that, by DL to ATL (i.e. MLI, BMI)

What DL has been doing in Central Illinois makes little sense to me. They cut PIA completely while keeping 4 or 5 CRJ-700s per day on ATL-BMI. Peoria has a population of about 180,000 and the twin cities have a combined population of about 125,000. Each is home to a Fortune 500 company.

ATL-BMI gets the DL service and AirTran 717s while ATL-PIA is going away completely. I have a hard time beliving that DL's yields on ATL-BMI are that good, so why let FL trash the yields when they could rightsize both markets. Granted, it is well within the realm of possibility to travel between the two airports, but I think it is a clear case of DL letting their ego get in the way.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1884 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
I have a hard time beliving that DL's yields on ATL-BMI are that good, so why let FL trash the yields when they could rightsize both markets.

They feel a need to serve every FL market; I doubt ATL-ICT is a stellar performer either.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 3):
DL's mega-hub that provides many unique connections to cities that DTW and MSP do not.

The problem is that these unique destinations are not reachable with any other single connection, so not offering a single connection doesn't put DL at a competitive disadvantage (especially when they are able to offer quite a menu of service at MSP and DTW).



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2268 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1833 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
What DL has been doing in Central Illinois makes little sense to me. They cut PIA completely while keeping 4 or 5 CRJ-700s per day on ATL-BMI. Peoria has a population of about 180,000 and the twin cities have a combined population of about 125,000. Each is home to a Fortune 500 company.

ATL-BMI gets the DL service and AirTran 717s while ATL-PIA is going away completely. I have a hard time beliving that DL's yields on ATL-BMI are that good, so why let FL trash the yields when they could rightsize both markets. Granted, it is well within the realm of possibility to travel between the two airports, but I think it is a clear case of DL letting their ego get in the way.

completely agree, same thing happened here with CID and MLI. Their service areas overlap, CID's aiport was handling over 1 million pax a year, MLI was less, yet they chose to keep the service out of MLI and drop CID, which without a true LFC (I don't count G4 since they don't offer connections) would be a higher yielding airport than MLI, who has FL.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 7):
Effective 01Dec:

DTW-FSD 1915-2035

Effective 02Dec

FSD-DTW 0620-0930

that should be a good schedule to help this route. Glad they are getting that.


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2268 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1764 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
The problem is that these unique destinations are not reachable with any other single connection, so not offering a single connection doesn't put DL at a competitive disadvantage (especially when they are able to offer quite a menu of service at MSP and DTW).

I dont know though, AA has really stepped up in the southeast US, with flights to cities like GPT, MOB, JAN, MGM, PNS, VPS, TLH etc. Granted I know perhaps Delta wasn't routing enough pax from CID-to these destinations. But combined with these destinations, good O & D to ATL in and of itself, Caribbean destinations, access to a warm weather hub it seems like a win win situation to keep a non stop. Unfortunately for me, who has a majority of my miles on the NW/DL side and I go to PNS often this kind of stinks now that the ATL non stop goes. Its kind of nice to have access to a hub that serves a different region. AA for example can plug me in to the east coast, midwest, west, Europe and Asia via ORD, while DFW can get me into the Southwest, Southeast, Mexico and South America via DFW. AA begins to look a lot more attractive with one stop to my example of PNS via DFW then does DL with a CID-[MSP/DTW]-[MEM/ATL]-PNS routing. Back in the day when I flew NW on this route I used to see alot of people on my flight to MSP and also the same people on mu flight to MEM where we dispersed to the SE.


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